Capparis zeylanica-Ceylon caper

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Rashida Atthar

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Jan 14, 2011, 5:02:12 AM1/14/11
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Saw this flower of Capparis zeylanica in the evening at the south end of the forest in Mumbai this month. The fruits are used for making pickle. The flowers change colour from pinkish to red and purple by evenng as seen in the picture.
 
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Rashida.
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tanay bose

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Jan 14, 2011, 7:37:11 AM1/14/11
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Nice shot didn't knew this also also edible
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Rashida Atthar

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Jan 14, 2011, 8:02:10 AM1/14/11
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Yes, one more fruit for your pickles Tanay !
 
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Rashida.

shrikant ingalhalikar

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Jan 14, 2011, 10:02:50 AM1/14/11
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Dear All,

Let me share some doubts on the plant posted here. The plant disagrees
with the description in the floras in following respects.
1. Stipular spines are hooked instead of straight.
2. Leaves are obovate, retuse with a mucro and narrowed at base
instead of elliptic acute and rounded at base.

The plant matches with the description of C. horrida L. described in
T. Cooke's flora which is given as a syn of C. zeylanica in BSI flora
of Maharashtra. I had seen this plant at Kanakeshwar along with Mr.
Pravin Kawle last year and was wondering if I could see it in flowers.
Can anyone explain the merger of 2 distinct plants? Regards, Shrikant
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mani nair

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Jan 15, 2011, 12:05:50 AM1/15/11
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Nice capture Rashida ji.   This is the food plant of the caterpillars of Pioneer butterflies.

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Mani.

Aarti S. Khale

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Jan 15, 2011, 1:07:59 AM1/15/11
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Shrikant ji,
I have photographed some capers from Oman & Kenya.
Will post these for you to see and if possible identify.
Regards,
Aarti

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Muthu Karthick

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Jan 27, 2011, 3:24:24 AM1/27/11
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The plant posted is not Capparis zeylanica. kindly validate.
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Rashida Atthar

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Jan 27, 2011, 4:35:52 AM1/27/11
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Muthu ji can you please mention a charactersitic or two,  from the flora you generally refer to indicate this is not C. zeylanica?
 
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Rashida.

Pardeshi S.

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Jan 27, 2011, 9:12:31 AM1/27/11
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Hello Shrikant ji
According to Fl. of Maharashtra-Almeida sir
the citation is as follows
Capparis zeylanica L. Sp. Pl. ed. 2: 720, 1792, Cooke, Fl. Pres.
Bombay 1: 47; Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 50, 1996; Singh et al. Fl. Mah. St.
1: 215, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 98, 2005.
Synonyms: C. hastigera Hans, Seem. Bot. 6. 296, 1868. C. xanthophylla
coll. & Hemsl., J. L. Soc. Lord. Bot. 28: 20, 1980. C. horrida L.f.
Suppl. 264, 1781.
Common name: Tarati, Wagoti, Wag, Govindi, Govindphal.

C. zeylanica and C. horrida are one and the same plant.
also the fruit are commonly used during Ganpati festival and kept near
the ganpati Idol along with Fruits of Celastrsu paniculatus.

Regards
Satish Pardeshi


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> Muthu ji can you please mention a charactersitic or two,  from the flora you
> generally refer to indicate this is not C. zeylanica?
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Vijayasankar

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Jan 27, 2011, 11:23:52 AM1/27/11
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I think Srikanth ji is right. FBI treats both the species separate and only includes Capparis zeylanica Roxb. as synonym under C. horrida L.f., and NOT C. zeylanica L., which is a different species. 
There may be some misunderstanding about this point, i guess.
 
Regards 
 
Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

shrikant ingalhalikar

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Jan 27, 2011, 8:14:27 PM1/27/11
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Dear Mr. Pardeshi, the citation however does not clarify my queries on
spines and leaves
. I am saying it is one (plant as per floras) but not the same.


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> I think Srikanth ji is right. FBI treats both the species separate and only
> includes *Capparis zeylanica Roxb.* as synonym under *C. horrida L.f.*, and
> *NOT* C. zeylanica L., which is a different species.
> There may be some misunderstanding about this point, i guess.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Jan 27, 2011, 11:08:59 PM1/27/11
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Yes Shrikant ji
Very valid comment: "it is one but not the same"
Capparis zeylonica L. and C. horrida L.f had originally been described as distinct species, C. horrida being also the plant which Roxb. called as C. zeylonica (C. zeylonica Roxb. (non L.).
   Most recent treatments (including eFlora of Pakistan, eFlora of China, most importantly KEW & MBG The Plant List (which should be most widely followed source in near future once the glitches (now many many) are removed) treat C. horrida L.f. as synonym of C. zeylonica L., so they are treated as one species, because the differences are not enough to treat them as distinct species. So they are treated as one, although they are not the same.



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Muthu Karthick

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Jan 29, 2011, 3:25:52 AM1/29/11
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many sorries Rashidaji, my points were completely blunder owing to my own obsession of the plant. Now I got to know this is C.zeylanica L. 
Yes this shrub have recurved thorns and strongly mucronate. The fruits are edible and are called as Athondai in Tamil. 
Reference: An Excursion flora of Central Tamilnadu by KM Matthew.

Rashida Atthar

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Jan 30, 2011, 9:00:03 AM1/30/11
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Thankyou Shrikant ji, Satish Pardeshi ji, Dr. Vijayashankar ji, Dr. Gurcharan ji and Muthu ji for  very enlightening contributions. I hope Shrikant ji we can  lock this as C. zeylanica L.  Attaching the type of this plant from Kew herbarium.
 
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Rashida.   

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