Rosaceae Fortnight: Sibbaldia cuneata and S. procumbens in our database

Gurcharan Singh

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Sep 16, 2015, 1:53:33 AM9/16/15

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The small alpine Potentilla described as Potentilla sibbaldii Haller.f. in Flora of British India has gone either as Sibbaldia procumbens var. procumbens (eFlora Pakistan; eFlora China) or S. cuneata Hornem ex Kuntze. The Plant list treats P. sibbaldii described in FBI (synonym of Sibbaldia parviflora Willd.) as distinct from P. sibbaldii of Haller.f. (synonym of S. procumbens)

We thus have three plants to account for, luckily two are described in eFlora of China.

Sibbaldia cuneata: Stems erect or ascending, epicalyx equalling calyx; petals equalling or longer than calyx

Sibbaldia procumbens var. procumbens: Stems prostrate or ascending; epicalyx much shorter than calyx; petals shorter than sepals.

Sibbaldia parviflora: Much like S. procumbens but densely downy and appearing Grey

http://encyclopaedia.alpinegardensociety.net/plants/Sibbaldia/parviflora

There are two plants uploaded in our database. One by me as S. procumbens var. procumbens. This should be S. cuneata

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Sibbaldia$20procumbens/indiantreepix/_b03-1mHgCI/YEjGF5NNGAAJ

The second by Dinesh ji uploaded as Sibbaldia cuneata should be S. parviflora

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Sibbaldia$20procumbens/indiantreepix/_b03-1mHgCI/YEjGF5NNGAAJ

Prashant ji has perhaps correctly identified his plant as S. parviflora

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Sibbaldia$20parviflora/indiantreepix/5WZGkGM5IG0/LKL1NxdUy2YJ

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Dinesh Valke

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Sep 16, 2015, 4:37:55 AM9/16/15

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Thank you very much Gurcharan ji for this important clarification.

Will watch this post for comments.

Regards.

Dinesh

J.M. Garg

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Oct 2, 2015, 1:37:00 AM10/2/15

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Jan 26, 2022, 10:16:41 AM1/26/22

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Neither POWO nor CoL gives distribution of Sibbaldia parviflora or S. procumbens in India as per
https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:741483-1
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/3e0799e2a5ad2c0e808ae421547fb7b3

https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:741489-1
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/61f95f067ee23d05df4aba57b91535c5

It appears there is something more complex in this.

In view, I am keeping observations from Valley of Flowers at Sibbaldia cuneata Hornem. ex Kuntze only, for the time being. I also do not find any substantial difference from other observations from Himachal and J & K.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jan 26, 2022, 10:34:24 AM1/26/22

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Please have a look at he GBIF link : https://www.gbif.org/species/3025060 !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Dinesh Valke

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Jan 26, 2022, 10:52:57 AM1/26/22

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Hello garg ji,

Distribution at POWO, many times, is not as per what we observe.

Regards.

Dinesh

Saroj Kasaju

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Jan 26, 2022, 10:54:48 AM1/26/22

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I agree with Dinesh Ji and that is same will all sites.

They miss a lot !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jan 26, 2022, 11:02:37 AM1/26/22

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Even eFloras of Nepal, China and Pakistan (mentions Sibbaldia procumbens L. syn: Sibbaldia cuneata Edgew.) do not mention it as per link below:
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=130287
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200011645
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=130287

POWO gives distribution of Sibbaldia cuneata Edgew. only in India, Nepal and Pakistan.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jan 26, 2022, 11:06:36 AM1/26/22

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Some more links : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjOhc3T48_1AhXiIqYKHceoBwgQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ias.ac.in%2Farticle%2Ffulltext%2Fplnt%2F090%2F03%2F0253-0272&usg=AOvVaw3eYxIJZtAS3M2WDK8hF521

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjOhc3T48_1AhXiIqYKHceoBwgQFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Findiabiodiversity.org%2Fspecies%2Fshow%2F245574&usg=AOvVaw0qVXl_kQWCqVX2TnpIizvy

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjOhc3T48_1AhXiIqYKHceoBwgQFnoECAQQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fefloraindia.bsi.gov.in%2FeFlora%2FspeciesList_PCL.action%3FresultType%3DgenusWise%26parent_Id%3D20322%26parent_Name%3Dsibbaldia&usg=AOvVaw1gTsavCaMoVVt7t4AztGaP

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjOhc3T48_1AhXiIqYKHceoBwgQFnoECCMQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fplants.jstor.org%2Fstable%2Fhistory%2F10.5555%2Fal.ap.specimen.k000467309&usg=AOvVaw3mcZm1spKecSEY5vvhuBLl

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjOhc3T48_1AhXiIqYKHceoBwgQFnoECCIQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fflora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in%2Fpan%2Fherbsheet.php%3Fid%3D1325%26cat%3D10&usg=AOvVaw333VStgMX5fEzaqZr6CvqZ

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jan 26, 2022, 11:26:57 AM1/26/22

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Thanks, Saroj ji.

These records are much older (30 to 40 years old) compared to those of POWO, CoL, eFloras.

Even now BSI Flora of India offers only a checklist (I think of 1993). Synonyms at Sibbaldia cuneata and Sibbaldia parviflora are in conflict with those in eFloras and POWO and CoL.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jan 26, 2022, 12:14:39 PM1/26/22

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OK Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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