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nadeem waqif

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May 7, 2020, 11:31:56 AM5/7/20
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Kindly identify this tree photographed in a farm in northwest Tamil Nadu, near Hosur in May 2020. The leaves are velvety. Not my photographs.
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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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May 7, 2020, 2:21:58 PM5/7/20
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Diospyros sylvatica, Ebenaceae,
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On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 21:01, nadeem waqif <nadeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
Kindly identify this tree photographed in a farm in northwest Tamil Nadu, near Hosur in May 2020. The leaves are velvety. Not my photographs.

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J.M. Garg

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May 8, 2020, 3:01:43 AM5/8/20
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radha veach

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May 8, 2020, 9:33:36 AM5/8/20
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Are the leaves of Diospyros sylvatica ever velvety?
Not sure about the bark either in the posted picture. Can it be a local variation?
In Maharashtra bark is smooth and dark, leaves are glabrous.
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J.M. Garg

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May 8, 2020, 9:46:50 PM5/8/20
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nadeem waqif

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May 9, 2020, 2:46:05 AM5/9/20
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My friend another photograph of fruits she found under the tree. Maybe this will provide some more information.

Im sorry that the photograph is not very clear.
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J.M. Garg

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May 13, 2020, 8:16:07 AM5/13/20
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Diospyros sylvatica, Ebenaceae,- from Paradesi ji 

Are the leaves of Diospyros sylvatica ever velvety?
Not sure about the bark either in the posted picture. Can it be a local variation?
In Maharashtra bark is smooth and dark, leaves are glabrous.
Regards
Radha 

My friend another photograph of fruits she found under the tree. Maybe this will provide some more information.
Im sorry that the photograph is not very clear. - from Nadeem ji

Looks different from Diospyros sylvatica Roxb. as per Biotik - from me



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Kumar Prabhat Das

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May 13, 2020, 8:18:30 AM5/13/20
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YES IT SEEMS TO DIOSPYROUS SYLVATICA

J.M. Garg

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May 13, 2020, 9:53:51 AM5/13/20
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On Wed 13 May, 2020, 5:48 PM Kumar Prabhat Das, <pkdasr...@gmail.com> wrote:
YES  IT SEEMS TO DIOSPYROUS SYLVATICA

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May 13, 2020, 9:54:51 AM5/13/20
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On Wed 13 May, 2020, 6:25 PM M Swamy, <swamy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Garg ji,
It is quite possible as this species has been reported  from Tamil Nadu in  Excursion flora of Tamil Nadu and flora of Eastern Ghats. Nevertheless,  I am unable to decide or pin point the  ID due to insufficient  knowledge on various species of Diospyros.
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=umMFT6tKtrkC&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=diospyros+sylvatica+in+Tamilnadu+flora&source=bl&ots=1CQRX0Mz8Y&sig=ACfU3U3V30PCk_8pGF7MEx1k-xZQ4Ir6lg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjM8ePJ7LDpAhU38HMBHRZiBJAQ6AEwBHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=diospyros%20sylvatica%20in%20Tamilnadu%20flora&f=false  

Please check.,
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navendu page

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May 13, 2020, 10:49:46 AM5/13/20
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Diospyros montana

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J.M. Garg

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May 13, 2020, 11:47:26 AM5/13/20
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On Wed 13 May, 2020, 8:13 PM Lalithamba Avadhanam, <alali...@gmail.com> wrote:
the leaf doesn't look like that of D.sylvatica

On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 5:45 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:


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J.M. Garg

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May 13, 2020, 11:48:15 AM5/13/20
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Thanks, Navendu ji.

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May 14, 2020, 12:08:19 AM5/14/20
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Fruits photo  has similarity to sylvatica.  Leaves may slightly vary due to edaphic and climatic factors.
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Muthu Karthick

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May 14, 2020, 1:19:33 AM5/14/20
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radha veach

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May 14, 2020, 7:44:12 AM5/14/20
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It must be D. montana looking at bark, leaves and habit. But I've never seen fruits of this shape in this species or any other Diospyros!
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Radha
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J.M. Garg

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May 14, 2020, 8:06:25 AM5/14/20
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Thanks, Muthu ji and Radha ji.
Hi, Nadeem ji,
Can fruits be of some other species?

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nadeem waqif

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May 14, 2020, 11:00:05 PM5/14/20
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Im sorry about the confusion. Since the photographs are not mine im confused myself. Could the last photograph be of flower buds rather than fruits?

Ill tell my friend to send some better photographs with a scale reference which might reduce the confusion. Are there any other suggestions on how to photograph the species better?

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