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The three-parted capsule reminds me of IpomoeaSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 9, 2021, at 10:29 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:29 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
To me it looks Marah species/ echincystys or its nearest ally
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Some earlier relevant feedback:
I could not get any idea as to the genus as per comparative images at Cucurbitaceae |
May I request somebody to pl. help. - from me |
To me it looks Marah species/ echinocystis or its nearest ally |
The three-parted capsule reminds me of Ipomoea- from Dr. Sussane Renner |
It is not Ipomoea sp. Thank you Dr. Renner! Saroj Kasaju |
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Some earlier relevant feedback:
I could not get any idea as to the genus as per comparative images at Cucurbitaceae May I request somebody to pl. help. - from me
To me it looks Marah species/ echinocystis or its nearest ally
The three-parted capsule reminds me of Ipomoea- from Dr. Sussane Renner
It is not Ipomoea sp. Thank you Dr. Renner!Saroj Kasaju
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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
I could not get any idea as to the genus as per comparative images at Cucurbitaceae |
May I request somebody to pl. help. - from me |
To me it looks Marah species/ echinocystis or its nearest ally |
The three-parted capsule reminds me of Ipomoea- from Dr. Sussane Renner |
It is not Ipomoea sp. Thank you Dr. Renner! Saroj Kasaju |
Just s guess Can it be some Cyclanthera sp. ?- from Anil ji |
Did not find a match! Thank you Anil Ji ! Saroj Kasaju |
I guessed as Cyclanthera on the basis of characteristic splitting pattern of the fruits. Maybe some newly introduced species. Kindly |
compare with all the species given at POWO or some other international |
database.- from Anil ji |
Yes Anil Ji. I checked all listed from POWO ! Shall do once again! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju |
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Very nice photographs!
This is a female plant of Schizopepon in Cucurbitaceae.
The 3-valved conical fruit, bifid tendrils and dioecious sex system are typical.
The genus name points to the conspicuous dehiscent (splitting) fruits. Chakravarty (1959) describes the fruit as “trivalved from apex to base, valve involute and elastically dehiscing the seeds”.
To identify the species, I would need a herbarium specimen, it’s difficult from photographs… maybe Schizopepon bicirrhosus (C.B. Clarke) C. Jeffrey.
Best
Hanno Schaefer
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Date: Thursday 28 January 2021 07:38
To: Hanno Schaefer
Subject: Fwd: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae
Dear Sir,
May I request you to pl. help us with the id of this one.
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Thanks, Hanno ji.Hi, Saroj ji,May I request you to pl. give necessary permission.On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 15:22, Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de> wrote:You are welcome – I am always happy to see cucurbit pics.
Do you think I can use one of these Schizopepon photographs for the Cucurbitaceae website (www.cucurbit.de)? (Of course I would indicate the photographer’s name.)
I have no good fruit pictures of Schizopepon so far and it would help others with identification.
Best
Hanno
From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday 28 January 2021 10:07
To: Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de>
Cc: Susanne Renner <ren...@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
Subject: Re: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae
Thanks a lot, Hanno ji.
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 12:56, Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de> wrote:
Very nice photographs!
This is a female plant of Schizopepon in Cucurbitaceae.
The 3-valved conical fruit, bifid tendrils and dioecious sex system are typical.
The genus name points to the conspicuous dehiscent (splitting) fruits. Chakravarty (1959) describes the fruit as “trivalved from apex to base, valve involute and elastically dehiscing the seeds”.
To identify the species, I would need a herbarium specimen, it’s difficult from photographs… maybe Schizopepon bicirrhosus (C.B. Clarke) C. Jeffrey.
Best
Hanno Schaefer
From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday 28 January 2021 07:38
To: Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de>
Subject: Fwd: SK 2854 01 January 2021 - Cucurbitaceae
Dear Sir,
May I request you to pl. help us with the id of this one.
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 at 11:43
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Great - thank you very much!
The fruit on the photographs is conical and not rounded. This is why I think it is probably Schizopepon bicirrhosus and not S. bryoniifolius.
See the key to the species here:
http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF19/Schizopepon.pdf
Best
Hanno Schaefer
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Some images of dry fruits shot today by Mr. Neupane ! Would it help to validate ID Dr. Schaefer?Thank you.Saroj KasajuOn Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 9:47 am, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:Thank you Dr. Shaefer,I shall try to collect specimen this season and coordinate with you ! We have no distribution so far for this sp.Thank youSaroj Kasaju
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Thank you!
Yes, I think we can be sure that it is Schizopepon bicirrhosus (C.B. Clarke) C. Jeffrey.
Based on the determination key for the genus by Lu An-Ming and Charles Jeffrey, the only species with a conical fruit are S. bicirrhosus, S. xizangensis and S. bomiensis.
Of those three species, S. xizangensis and S. bomiensis have 5-lobed leaves, while the leaf of S. bicirrhosus is described as "irregularly dentate, apex caudate-acuminate", which fits nicely your plant. Further, the fruit of S. bomiensis is described as glabrous, while the one of S. bicirrhosus is white pubescent (and this can be seen on your pictures).
In the key, they report S. bicirrhosus from N India (I guess Assam & Sikkim), Bhutan, Tibet and Myanmar. So Nepal makes definitely sense.
According to the checklist of the flora of Nepal, the genus Schizopepon has not yet been found in the country: http://www.efloras.org/browse.aspx?flora_id=110&start_taxon_id=10233
But I am not sure if this is true. If you want, I can ask my colleague Mark Watson at Botanical Garden Edinburg in Scotland, who works on a Flora of Nepal and should know the answer.
Best
Hanno Schaefer
Some images of dry fruits shot today by Mr. Neupane ! Would it help to validate ID Dr. Schaefer?
Thank you.Saroj Kasaju
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 9:47 am, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Dr. Shaefer,I shall try to collect specimen this season and coordinate with you ! We have no distribution so far for this sp.Thank youSaroj Kasaju
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 9:37 am, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
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