Double-flowered form of Tabernaemontana divaricata

[mani nair]

Dear friends,

Sending a photo of Moonbeam flower.

Place : Matheran
Date  :  15.4.2011

Regards,

Mani

[Gurcharan Singh]

Tabernaemontana divaricata cv. Flore Feno, formerly T. coronaria

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Bapu Gosavi]

Ervatamia divaricata (L.) Burkill var. plena (Voight)

 

Ervatamia divaricata (L.) Burkill var. plena (Voight) Almeida (comb. nov).

Tabernaemontana coronaria var. plena Roxb. ex Voight, Hort. Suburb. Cal. 527, 1845.

(Curtis, Bot. Mag. 44: t. 1865, 1816)

 

This a double flowered variety found in cultivated in the gardens

 

Flowers: Throughout the year.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 8:07 PM, mani nair <mani....@gmail.com> wrote:

[Bapu Gosavi]

Ervatamia divaricata (L.) Burkill var. plena (Voight)
 
Ervatamia divaricata (L.) Burkill var. plena (Voight) Almeida (comb. nov).
Tabernaemontana coronaria var. plena Roxb. ex Voight, Hort. Suburb. Cal. 527, 1845.
(Curtis, Bot. Mag. 44: t. 1865, 1816)
 
This a double flowered variety found in cultivated in the gardens
 
Flowers: Throughout the year.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Gosavi ji

We should not use comb. nov. (or sp. nov., nom. nov. etc.) when citing a published name, because every name would have belonged to that category when first published. It is done only by the original author in the original publication, We just mention the name of the author (followed preferably by year of publication, and also full citation if available).

Ervatamia divaricata var. plena (Roxb. ex Voigt) M.R.Almeida has been relegated as synonym of Tabernaemontana divaricata as per Kew Plant List. So best choice is just to treat it as cultivar 'Flore Pleno' only 

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[H S]

Correct name for Tabernaemontana divaricata is Ervatamia divaricata
(L.) Burkill. Stapf. segregated the genus Ervatamia from
Tabernaemontana L. so any how the cv. 'Flore Pleno' should not go
under genus Tabernaemontana L.

H.S.

On 4/23/11, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gosavi ji
>
> We should not use comb. nov. (or sp. nov., nom. nov. etc.) when citing a
> published name, because every name would have belonged to that category when
> first published. It is done only by the original author in the original
> publication, We just mention the name of the author (followed preferably by
> year of publication, and also full citation if available).
>

> *Ervatamia* *divaricata* var. *plena* (Roxb. ex Voigt) M.R.Almeida has been

--
- H.S.

A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of
stone

[Gurcharan Singh]

We can't ignore the reputed databases GRIN and Kew Plant List. Both treat Ervatamia as a synonym and Tabernaemontana as accepted name especially so for T. divaricata. And also as var. pleno is relegated to synonymy of T. divaricata, we have no choice other than just calling it as cultivar 'Flore Pleno'

Please note that Dr. Almeida suggested this variety combination in 2001, and lot has changed in last 10 years.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Here are links. 

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Ervatamia

 http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl

Not a single species is accepted name at present.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, H S <hemsan.bh@gmail.com> wrote:

Ervatamia is accepted genus, I am not saying to accept the var. comb.
of Dr. Almeida (he did variety combination in his third vol. of Fl. of
Maharashtra, 2001, not suggested) , its depends on the individual
thinking to accept the rank beyond species.,, even if we accept cv.
Flore pleno it must go under genus Ervatamia not in Tabernaemontana

[Mahadeswara]

Very common variety in gardens of South India (Chennai and other
places).

On Apr 23, 12:29 pm, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here are links.
>
> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Ervatamia
>

> <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Ervatamia>http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl

>
> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/tax_search.pl>Not a single
> species is accepted name at present.
>
> --
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired  Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ervatamia is accepted genus, I am not saying to accept the var. comb.
> > of Dr. Almeida (he did variety combination in his third vol. of Fl. of
> > Maharashtra, 2001, not suggested) , its depends on the individual
> > thinking to accept the rank beyond species.,, even if we accept cv.
> > Flore pleno it must go under genus Ervatamia not in Tabernaemontana
>

> > On 4/23/11, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We can't ignore the reputed databases GRIN and Kew Plant List. Both treat
> > > Ervatamia as a synonym and Tabernaemontana as accepted name especially so
> > > for T. divaricata. And also as var. pleno is relegated to synonymy of T.
> > > divaricata, we have no choice other than just calling it as cultivar
> > 'Flore
> > > Pleno'
>
> > > Please note that Dr. Almeida suggested this variety combination in 2001,
> > and
> > > lot has changed in last 10 years.
>
> > > --
> > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > > Retired  Associate Professor
> > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > > Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> > >http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> > > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 11:36 AM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Correct name for Tabernaemontana divaricata is Ervatamia divaricata
> > >> (L.) Burkill. Stapf. segregated the genus Ervatamia from
> > >> Tabernaemontana L. so any how the cv. 'Flore Pleno' should not go
> > >> under genus Tabernaemontana L.
>
> > >> H.S.
>

> > >> > On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Bapu Gosavi <bapu.gos...@gmail.com>

> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> Ervatamia divaricata (L.) Burkill var. plena (Voight)
>
> > >> >> Ervatamia divaricata (L.) Burkill var. plena (Voight) Almeida (comb.
> > >> nov).
> > >> >> Tabernaemontana coronaria var. plena Roxb. ex Voight, Hort. Suburb.
> > >> >> Cal.
> > >> >> 527, 1845.
> > >> >> (Curtis, Bot. Mag. 44: t. 1865, 1816)
>
> > >> >> This a double flowered variety found in cultivated in the gardens
>
> > >> >> Flowers: Throughout the year.
>
> > >> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Gurcharan Singh

> > >> >> <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> > >> >>> Tabernaemontana divaricata cv. Flore Feno, formerly T. coronaria
>
> > >> >>> --
> > >> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> > >> >>> Retired  Associate Professor
> > >> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> > >> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> > >> >>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> > >> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> > >> >>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 8:07 PM, mani nair <mani.na...@gmail.com>

[mani nair]

Dear all
Thanks for the flower ID
Mani