Plant for id 241210MK1

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear all,

Please help to id this subshrub found at Kodaikanal. I have not seen any flowers of this.

Date/Time-	06-11-2010 / 11:20 AM
Location- Place, Altitude, GP	ca.2200asl; Kodaikanal, TN
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-	wild; near water stream
Plant Habit-	sub shrub
Height/Length-	ca. 1 M
Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-	10 x 3 cm
Inflorescence Type/ Size-	not observed
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds-
Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.-

--
Muthu Karthick, N
Junior Research Fellow
Care Earth Trust

#15, second main road,

Thillai ganga nagar,
Chennai - 600 061

Mob: 09626833911
www.careearthtrust.org

[harithasandhya]

Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??
Regards,
Sandhya

On Dec 24, 12:05 pm, Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
> Please help to id this subshrub found at Kodaikanal. I have not seen any
> flowers of this.
>

>  *Date/Time-*

>
> 06-11-2010 / 11:20 AM
>

> *Location- Place, Altitude, GP*
>
> ca.2200asl; Kodaikanal, TN
>
> *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-*
>
> wild; near water stream
>
> *Plant Habit-*
>
> sub shrub
>
> *Height/Length-*
>
> ca. 1 M
>
> *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-*
>
> 10 x 3 cm
>
> *Inflorescence Type/ Size-*
> not observed
>
> *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-*
>
> *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- *
>
> *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- *

>
> --
> Muthu Karthick, N
> Junior Research Fellow
> Care Earth Trust
> #15, second main road,
> Thillai ganga nagar,
> Chennai - 600 061
> Mob: 09626833911www.careearthtrust.org
>

>  Kodai 122.jpg
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>  Kodai 121.jpg
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[Muthu Karthick]

leaves tells so.

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID

Earlier feedback

Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??

-- 
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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID

Earlier feedback

Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??

Prasad ji...............................................Melastroma malabathricum to me

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Subject: [efloraofindia:57847] Plant for id 241210MK1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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[manudev madhavan]

Could this be a species of Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) ????

--

Manudev K Madhavan

Systematic & Floristic Lab,

Department of Botany, 
Centre for Postgraduate Studies & Research 
St. Joseph's College, Devagiri
Kozhikode- 673 008
Mob: 9496470738

[Nidhan Singh]

Or a Pilea sp. from the same family?
Regards,

--
Dr. Nidhan Singh
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID

Earlier feedback

Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??

Prasad ji...............................................Melastroma malabathricum to me

Manudev ji...........................................Could this be a species of Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) ????

Nidhan ji..................................................Or a Pilea sp. from the same family?

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Subject: [efloraofindia:57847] Plant for id 241210MK1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback
Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??
Prasad ji...............................................Melastroma malabathricum to me
Manudev ji...........................................Could this be a species of Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) ????
Nidhan ji..................................................Or a Pilea sp. from the same family?

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: 24 December 2010 12:35
Subject: [efloraofindia:57847] Plant for id 241210MK1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg (jmg...@gmail.com)
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[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"It is Melastomaceae.
 
but express inabilities to identify genus without flower.
 
but guess mau be Osbeckia or Melastoma
With warm regards
 
 
Yours sincerely
 
______________________________________________________________________________
Milind M. Sardesai, Ph.D.
Reader in Botany
Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Marathwada University,
Aurangabad-431004 (M.S.) INDIA.
Web   : www.bamu.net
______________________________________________________________________________
Phone: 0240-2403303 | Fax: 0240-2403399, 243400 | Mobile: 08805075007"

 

Thanks, Dr. Milind.

[Vijayasankar]

I agree with Milind ji.
The leaves here seem to be ternate. So my guess is Osbeckia stellata.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-sf/4041075057/in/photostream/
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94686&flora_id=2
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/267635/

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"To me it looks like Pouzolzia bennettiana a very variable species.

jana"

 

Thanks, Dr. Jana.

On 16 June 2011 08:46, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback
Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??
Prasad ji...............................................Melastroma malabathricum to me
Manudev ji...........................................Could this be a species of Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) ????
Nidhan ji..................................................Or a Pilea sp. from the same family?

Milind ji ................................................. It is Melastomaceae. but express inabilities to identify genus without flower. but guess mau be Osbeckia or Melastoma
Vijaya ji ................................................ I agree with Milind ji. The leaves here seem to be ternate. So my guess is Osbeckia stellata. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-sf/4041075057/in/photostream/
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94686&flora_id=2
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/267635/
Jana ji ....................................................To me it looks like Pouzolzia bennettiana a very variable species.

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>
Date: 24 December 2010 12:35
Subject: [efloraofindia:57847] Plant for id 241210MK1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg (jmg...@gmail.com)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'
The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix (more than 1700 members & 79,000 messages on 31/8/11) or Efloraofindia website: https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (with a species database of around 5500 species)

[prasad dash]

Yes Sir, this is Pouzolzia bennettiana, rightly said by Gargji.

Regards

Prasad

--
Prasad Kumar Dash
Ecologist, Orissa, India
email: prasad....@gmail.com
ph. 09437444241

[Giby Kuriakose]

Picture or information about the flower could be helpful in confirming the id.

Regards,

Giby

 

--
GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD
Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE),
Royal Enclave,
Jakkur Post, Srirampura
Bangalore- 560064
India
Phone - +91 9448714856 (Mobile)
visit my pictures @ http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby

[J.M. Garg]

A reply:

"I think this species is Melastoma malabathricum L., common in hills of Peninsular India and NE. India.
I could also be a species of Osbeckia.

For confirmation of the genus, we need to know the nature of stamens. In Melastoma the stamens are unequal in size, whereas in Osbeckia the stamens are equal in size.
Further fruits burst irregularly in Melastoma and open by pores at apex in Osbeckia.
N. P. Balakrishnan
Coimbatore
12-09-2011"

On 12 September 2011 13:39, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[anupam sarmah]

Sorry, this is Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) species. This is edible herb in
Arunachal and parts of Assam.

On Sep 12, 4:21 pm, "J.M. Garg" <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A reply:
> "I think this species is Melastoma malabathricum L., common in hills of
> Peninsular India and NE. India.
> I could also be a species of Osbeckia.
> For confirmation of the genus, we need to know the nature of stamens. In
> Melastoma the stamens are unequal in size, whereas in Osbeckia the stamens
> are equal in size.
> Further fruits burst irregularly in Melastoma and open by pores at apex in
> Osbeckia.
> N. P. Balakrishnan
> Coimbatore
> 12-09-2011"
>

> On 12 September 2011 13:39, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  Resurfacing again for ID
> > Earlier feedback
> > Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to
> > the family Melastomataceae ??
> > Prasad ji...............................................Melastroma
> > malabathricum to me
> > Manudev ji...........................................Could this be a
> > species of Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) ????
> > Nidhan ji..................................................Or a Pilea sp.
> > from the same family?
> > Milind ji ................................................. It is
> > Melastomaceae. but express inabilities to identify genus without flower. but

> > guess mau be *Osbeckia or Melastoma
> > *Vijaya ji ................................................ I agree with
> > Milind ji. The leaves here seem to be ternate. So my guess is *Osbeckia
> > stellata*.http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-sf/4041075057/in/photostream/
> >http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94686&flora_id=2<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.efloras.org/object_page.a...>
> >http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/267635/<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/sho...>

> > Jana ji ....................................................To me it looks

> > like *Pouzolzia bennettiana* a very variable species.

> >  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Muthu Karthick <nmk....@gmail.com>
> > Date: 24 December 2010 12:35
> > Subject: [efloraofindia:57847] Plant for id 241210MK1
> > To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>
>
> >   Dear all,
> > Please help to id this subshrub found at Kodaikanal. I have not seen any
> > flowers of this.
>

> >   *Date/Time-*

>
> > 06-11-2010 / 11:20 AM
>

> > *Location- Place, Altitude, GP*
>
> > ca.2200asl; Kodaikanal, TN
>
> > *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-*
>
> > wild; near water stream
>
> > *Plant Habit-*
>
> > sub shrub
>
> > *Height/Length-*
>
> > ca. 1 M
>
> > *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-*
>
> > 10 x 3 cm
>
> > *Inflorescence Type/ Size-*
> > not observed
>
> > *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-*
>
> >  *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- *
>

> >  *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- *

>
> > --
> > Muthu Karthick, N
> > Junior Research Fellow
> > Care Earth Trust
> > #15, second main road,
> > Thillai ganga nagar,
> > Chennai - 600 061
> > Mob: 09626833911
> >www.careearthtrust.org
>
> > --
> > With regards,

> > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)

> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1
> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

> > The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* &

> > eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged
> > alphabetically & place-wise):
> >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them
> > for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
> > For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,
> > please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group:

> >http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix(more than 1700 members &

> > 79,000 messages on 31/8/11) or Efloraofindia website:

> >https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/(with a species database

> > of around 5500 species)
>
> --
> With regards,

> J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1

> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* &

> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged
> alphabetically & place-wise):http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them
> for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.
> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora,

> please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix(more than 1700 members &
> 79,000 messages on 31/8/11) or Efloraofindia website:https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/(with a species database
> of around 5500 species)

[Giby Kuriakose]

I am sorry, I am getting confused. Was there a picture of flower. 

Milind Ji was mentioning about the anthers! 

I haven't seen any picture with flowers in this thread. 

If there is a picture of flower please upload or kindly forward the same to me. 

Dear Muthuji

I think flower picture is very much needed for id. 

Thanks and Regards,

Giby

 

On 12 September 2011 18:19, Milind Sardesai <sarde...@gmail.com> wrote:

Beautiful close up. It is Osbeckia. all anthers are similar.

 

 

(In Melastoma there are two types of anthers: dimorphic anthers).

--

With warm regards

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

______________________________________________________________________________

Milind M. Sardesai, Ph.D.

Reader in Botany

Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Marathwada University,

Aurangabad-431004 (M.S.) INDIA.

Web   : www.bamu.net

______________________________________________________________________________

Phone: 0240-2403303 | Fax: 0240-2403399, 243400 | Mobile: 08805075007

______________________________________________________________________________

 

--

With warm regards

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

______________________________________________________________________________

Milind M. Sardesai, Ph.D.

Reader in Botany

Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar Marathwada University,

Aurangabad-431004 (M.S.) INDIA.

Web   : www.bamu.net

______________________________________________________________________________

Phone: 0240-2403303 | Fax: 0240-2403399, 243400 | Mobile: 08805075007

______________________________________________________________________________

 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID
Earlier feedback
Harithasandhya ji.....................................Plant belonging to the family Melastomataceae ??
Prasad ji...............................................Melastroma malabathricum to me
Manudev ji...........................................Could this be a species of Pouzolzia (Urticaceae) ????
Nidhan ji..................................................Or a Pilea sp. from the same family?

Milind ji ................................................. It is Melastomaceae. but express inabilities to identify genus without flower. but guess mau be Osbeckia or Melastoma 
Vijaya ji ................................................ I agree with Milind ji. The leaves here seem to be ternate. So my guess is Osbeckia stellata. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jim-sf/4041075057/in/photostream/ 
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94686&flora_id=2 
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/267635/ 
Jana ji ....................................................To me it looks like Pouzolzia bennettiana a very variable species. 

This is another plant which has been a subject of considerable speculation, with some members suggesting it to be a member Melastomataceae (Melastoma or Osbeckia), others suggesting it as Poulzolzia. In absence of flowers it becomes difficult, and the leaves look pretty close to both, but Melastomataceae clearly excluded as stipules are clearly seen, not seen in this family.

To me this plant again appears Poulzolzia hirta. This agrees with Jana ji, who identified it with P. bennettiana, now considered as synonym of P. hirta var. hirta.

 

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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From: Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:35 PM

Subject: [efloraofindia:57847] Plant for id 241210MK1
To: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[Giby Kuriakose]

I agree with Gurcharan ji as this is Pouzolzia and  Poulzolzia hirta is a possible id, I think. This species seems to show variation from place to place.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242341238

Regards,

Giby  

[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Giby ji

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Muthu Karthick]

Dear all,

I am sorry for the very late reply. This shrub was not flowering at that time of photography (November). If I visit the place again, I shall notice the flower and anthers too. This plant seems very much erect and only a revisit could solve the identity. Many thanks for all.

--
Muthu Karthick, N

Care Earth Trust

#15, second main road,

Thillai ganga nagar,
Chennai - 600 061

Mob: 0091 96268 33911
www.careearthtrust.org

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Gonostegia hirta (Blume) Miq.

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

[Muthu Karthick]

Thank you Saroj ji. I guess this plant shows much variation from place to place.