SK2025 04 July 2019

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 4, 2019, 2:24:57 AM7/4/19

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Dear Members,

Location: Chalnakhel, Kathmandu

Date: 24 June 2019

Elevation: 1404 m.

Habit : Wild

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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J.M. Garg

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Jul 7, 2019, 6:24:50 AM7/7/19

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Pl. check comparative images at https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/anacardiaceae

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 7, 2019, 9:18:17 AM7/7/19

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I could not find a match.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jul 14, 2019, 2:21:34 AM7/14/19

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Pl. check comparative images at https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/anacardiaceae - from me

I could not find a match.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2019, 12:24:56 AM7/19/19

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Pl. check comparative images at https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/a/anacardiaceae - from me

I could not find a match.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Jul 19, 2019, 12:40:34 AM7/19/19

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Seems to Meliosma sp., Sabiaceae.

Could be simplicifolia?

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J.M. Garg

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Jul 19, 2019, 1:03:49 AM7/19/19

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Thanks, Paradesi ji

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Jul 19, 2019, 2:06:23 AM7/19/19

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Thanks, Lalithamba ji

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On Fri 19 Jul, 2019, 10:37 AM Lalithamba Avadhanam, <alali...@gmail.com> wrote:

May not be Anacardiaceae, for the leaf is different
A.Lalithamba

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2019, 4:38:41 AM7/19/19

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Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis ??

Syn : Meliosma simplicifolia subsp. thomsonii (King ex Brandis) Beusekom

Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Lalithamba Avadhanam

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Jul 19, 2019, 4:44:24 AM7/19/19

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Yes, it looks like the species you have indicated. the flower, leaf are of Meliosma of Sabiaceae

thank you

A.Lalithamba.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2019, 4:59:11 AM7/19/19

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Do we need further validation?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jul 19, 2019, 5:57:53 AM7/19/19

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Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 at 12:46, Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary <klchau...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wild guess at best.
Some Anacardiaceae?

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2019, 6:16:42 AM7/19/19

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Dear Kanhaiya Lal ji,

I have already checked but I could not find a match! Isn't my guess matching ?

Than you ..

Saroj Kasaju

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navendu page

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Jul 19, 2019, 12:46:21 PM7/19/19

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It's a species of Meliosma... either simplicifolia or dillenifolia

Navendu

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2019, 2:13:08 PM7/19/19

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Thank you Navendu Ji,

I had suggested as below earlier guess more close to it.

Could you please check once and validate ?

Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis ??

Syn : Meliosma simplicifolia subsp. thomsonii (King ex Brandis) Beusekom

Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 22, 2019, 6:58:04 AM7/22/19

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Ref: SK2025 04 July 2019

Dear Samiran Ji,

Eriobotrya deflexa is not listed in Nepal and it does not

look like planted in the wild.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:37 PM Samiran Panday <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think it might be Eriobotrya deflexa (Rosaceae).

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 9:54 AM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 23, 2019, 2:35:27 AM7/23/19

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Dear Samiran Ji,

I have suggested in the earlier mail as :

Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis ??

Syn : Meliosma simplicifolia subsp. thomsonii (King ex Brandis) Beusekom

Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis

Could you please look into this ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:53 PM Samiran Panday <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok Sir. Then You can search for species of Meliosma (Sabiaceae).. M. rigida??

J.M. Garg

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Jul 30, 2019, 7:14:22 AM7/30/19

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Hi, Saroj ji,

Flora of China gives the following keys to different between the bold species:

18 (17)	Leaf blade abaxially densely lanuginous; sepals 5, outside with 4 or 5 equal bracts.	8 M. thomsonii
+	Leaf blade glabrous or sparsely pubescent; sepals 4 or 5, without equal bracts	(19)

19 (18)	Ovary densely pubescent, drupes persistently pubescent; 2 inner petals entire.	9 M. thorelii
+	Ovary and drupes pubescent; 2 inner petals bifid	(20)

20 (19)	Petiole 1.5-2.5 cm; branchlets pubescent; drupes globose.	10 M. simplicifolia
+	Petiole 3-5 cm; branchlets glabrous; drupes obovoid or subglobose.	11 M. longipes

Can you check this feature ?

Also regarding leaves:

Flora of China says for Meliosma thomsonii King ex Brandis leaf blade obovate-oblong or obovate-elliptic, 18-37 × 7-16 cm, leathery, abaxially densely lanuginous, adaxially pubescent on midvein and lateral veins, lateral veins 16-20 pairs, ascending and arched to margin, upper ones running into teeth, base attenuate to cuneate, margin sparsely serrate at and above middle, apex acute to acuminate.

Flora of China says for Meliosma simplicifolia (Roxburgh) Walpers leaf blade obovate or obovate-oblong, 15-40 × 5-15 cm, papery, adaxially glabrous, vein axils crinite, lateral veins 15-20 pairs, arched-anastomosing near margin, reticulate veins slender and conspicuous, attenuate 2/3 to base, margin entire, sometimes serrulate, apex acute or shortly caudate.

Pl. check.

To me leaves look adaxially glabrous, margin serrulate and apex acute

So it may be Meliosma simplicifolia (Roxburgh) Walpers

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 31, 2019, 8:06:05 AM7/31/19

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The tree is at a steep slope so could not get specimen. However, looks matching to M. thomsonii . Not sure 100 %.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jul 31, 2019, 8:30:49 AM7/31/19

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How can you say that?

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 31, 2019, 12:11:27 PM7/31/19

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Just a guess according to keys.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jul 31, 2019, 11:58:50 PM7/31/19

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Thanks, Saroj ji,

I have worked on details and given these in my detailed reply. In such a case, one should contradict only on facts or some links etc.

Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 1, 2019, 5:45:43 AM8/1/19

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Because most of the images in net, drawing and herbarium showing not serrated leaf. So I got

confused. Very few images of leaves and FoP showing serrated images .

Meliosma simplicifolia (Roxb.) Walp.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Aug 1, 2019, 10:39:44 AM8/1/19

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That is why I critically mentioned serrations of leaves in the comparison of two species. Also checked images and details in our database and on net before that.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 15, 2019, 8:23:18 AM10/15/19

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Fruits from the same tree ! Too far ! Not good images.

Flowering and fruiting phenology looks like matching

with Meliosma dilleniifolia (Wall. ex Wight & Arn.) Walp.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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J.M. Garg

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Oct 20, 2019, 5:56:27 AM10/20/19

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I got keys in Flora of Bhutan as below:

1. Leaves pinnate ......................................................................... 3. M. pinnata
+ Leaves simple ............................................................................................. .. 2
2. Evergreen; leaves entire or serrate with rather broad teeth, veins curving towards apex near margin ................................................ 1. M. simplicifolia
+ Deciduous; leaves serrate with fine teeth, veins running +/- straight to margin and most excurrent into fine teeth ........................................... 2. M. dilleniifolia

So this leads us to M. dilleniifolia

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ushadi

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Oct 20, 2019, 8:33:48 AM10/20/19

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closest to m. dillenifolia

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Ushadi

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Oct 20, 2019, 8:43:47 AM10/20/19

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Thank you Mr. Garg !

Nepali Name : कोदे खबडे Kode Khabade

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 20, 2019, 9:25:11 AM10/20/19

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Thank you Usha Di !

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ushadi

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Oct 21, 2019, 2:54:30 AM10/21/19

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yes, you see in this case

the venation pattern clinched the differentiation

thanks GARG ji

Regards

Ushadi

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 21, 2019, 3:09:47 AM10/21/19

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Thank you Usha Di !

Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 19, 2024, 6:56:53 AM8/19/24

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Dear all,

Isn't it more close to Meliosma simplicifolia (Roxb.) Walp. ?

Elevation and fruit images also match, simplicifolia : 1200-2000m. and dillenifolia 1800-2900m.

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=116061&flora_id=5

https://ppbc.iplant.cn/sp/21262

https://ppbc.iplant.cn/sp/21271

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 19, 2024, 8:07:35 AM8/19/24

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http://plantdatabase.kath.gov.np/plants/meliosma-simplicifolia-roxb-walp-kath103095

http://plantdatabase.kath.gov.np/plants/meliosma-simplicifolia-roxb-walp-kath103094

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Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Aug 19, 2024, 11:24:01 AM8/19/24

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Inflorescence looks different

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Aug 19, 2024, 11:43:20 AM8/19/24

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Leaf pattern very close.

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Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Aug 28, 2024, 5:44:53 AM8/28/24

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Ok, keeping it as Meliosma simplicifolia subsp. simplicifolia (Roxb.) Walp.as per
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=242332124
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=116061&flora_id=5
http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=93337&flora_id=2

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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 28, 2024, 6:14:57 AM8/28/24

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Thank you Mr. Garg .

Saroj Kasaju

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