Wild Plants for ID : Nasik : 02JUL19 : AK-6

Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 2, 2019, 1:35:49 AM7/2/19

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Wild plants seen on a mountain slope in Nasik.

Agave Species?

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 2, 2019, 5:08:52 AM7/2/19

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Agavaceae ??

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Saroj Kasaju

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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Jul 2, 2019, 2:01:04 PM7/2/19

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Agave sisalana and A. americana.

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Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 3, 2019, 2:25:23 AM7/3/19

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Thanks Saroj Ji.

Regards,

Aarti

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 1:08:52 PM UTC+4, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Agavaceae ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Wild plants seen on a mountain slope in Nasik.
Agave Species?
Aarti

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Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 3, 2019, 2:27:46 AM7/3/19

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Paradesi Ji,

Thanks for the suggested id.

Which one of the two suggested Species?

I believe all plants are the same.

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Aarti

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 10:01:04 PM UTC+4, Paradesi Anjaneyulu wrote:

Agave sisalana and A. americana.

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 14:38, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Agavaceae ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:20 AM Aarti S. Khale <aarti...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wild plants seen on a mountain slope in Nasik.
Agave Species?
Aarti

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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Jul 5, 2019, 12:01:33 PM7/5/19

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Yes, sir, I thought too same, both are one sp. only.

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Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 5, 2019, 12:46:40 PM7/5/19

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Thanks Paradesi Ji.

Regards,

Aarti

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J.M. Garg

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Jul 7, 2019, 5:21:32 AM7/7/19

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Pl. check comparative images with keys at https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/ar/asparagaceae/agave

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Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 7, 2019, 11:43:56 AM7/7/19

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Thanks Garg Ji.

Regards,

Aarti

J.M. Garg

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Jul 14, 2019, 5:52:02 AM7/14/19

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Closest I can go with these images is Agave Americana after perusing keys and details at species page, as suggested by Paradesi ji.

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Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 14, 2019, 1:36:51 PM7/14/19

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Thanks Garg Ji.

Is Agave sisalana be a Syn?

Regards,

Aarti

Aarti S. Khale

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Jul 14, 2019, 1:38:15 PM7/14/19

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I meant would Agave sisalana be a Syn of Agave americana?

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J.M. Garg

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Jul 14, 2019, 11:54:30 PM7/14/19

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No. Both are different.

Pl. see

Agave sisalana Perrine

Agave americana L.

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Jun 7, 2021, 1:01:51 PM6/7/21

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I maybe wrong but it looks too tender a plant to be Agave americana. Can you please upload high resolution picture of its leaves?

Aarti S. Khale

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Jun 7, 2021, 11:18:29 PM6/7/21

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Surajit Ji,

Here is the high resolution image.

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Aarti

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surajit koley

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Jun 8, 2021, 3:50:01 AM6/8/21

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I am truly indebted to you, Madam ji, for this upload (and many other as well).

Last night while I was placing my wise (!!!) comments in several Agave threads I kept thinking that "nothing is getting cleared." I kept asking myself, "which Agave has/have been naturalized in our country?"

I am still reading and studying trying to get a hold on Agave riddle. For gathering information I visited "lucidcentral, KEW, Flora of China, Pakistan and North America sites". I couldn't find any other resources. What I could gather I surmise below :-

A. angustifolia (A. wightii) = naturalized in SUb Himalayan Tract and Outer Himalaya (FoP)
A. sisalana = nowhere naturalized
A. americana = naturalized in India and Pakistan, with some uncertainty, because it immediately below notes otherwise (FoP); in south China (FoC)). Lucidcentral site mentioned South China, but not India
A. vera-cruz = nowhere, except in the book "Botany of Bihar & Orissa", I could find that it is naturalized
A. cantula = naturalized in Indo-Pakistan (FoP), region of Australia (Lucidcentral)

So, this species is either no.3 or no.5 (and maybe no.4 to some extent).

In the attached pictures, cropped from your original plate, you will notice that the prickles are = some straight and some pointing upwards = if you apply FoP KEY, this species would be A. cantula Roxb.

I thank you once again for your generous help.

Thank you

With regards

surajit koley

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Aarti S. Khale

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Jun 8, 2021, 12:11:34 PM6/8/21

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Surajit Ji,

Thanks for showing interest in my earlier post.

Frankly, I will never have the patience to go so deeply and try to find the id.

Great observations from you.

When I revisit the place, I will take more close ups for sure.

Recently, there was mass blooming of Lilies after the first rains near this spot on the mountain slopes which I missed being out of town.

Thank you.

Regards,

Aarti

surajit koley

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Jun 8, 2021, 12:27:24 PM6/8/21

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A request, Madam ji, when you revisit the place please take macro photographs of marginal prickles and some apical spines. I think the prickles (some) are falcate too, and even some of the apical spines are acicular!

Thank you

With regards

surajit koley

Aarti S. Khale

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Jun 8, 2021, 12:43:32 PM6/8/21

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Yes I will.

Thanks

Aarti

Anil Thakur

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Jun 9, 2021, 1:08:24 PM6/9/21

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Agave americana

Aarti S. Khale

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Jun 9, 2021, 10:08:12 PM6/9/21

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Thanks a lot Anil Ji.

Regards,

Aarti

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Aarti S. Khale

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Sep 19, 2021, 11:08:35 PM9/19/21

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Dear all,

Although this post has had a lot of discussion and has been already identified by Paradesi Ji and Anil Ji as Agave americana, adding more pictures taken at Borgad Conservation Reserve.

These were growing at a number of places on the mountain slope.

This mountain is in the same area where the earlier pictures were taken.

Regards,

Aarti

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J.M. Garg

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Sep 25, 2021, 2:22:20 AM9/25/21

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Hi, Aarti ji,

This was identified as Agave vivipara as per details herein by Surajit ji.

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Aarti S. Khale

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Sep 25, 2021, 2:31:06 AM9/25/21

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Garg ji

Later Anil Ji had identified this as Agave americana.

I had promised to take more pictures.

Find these in a number of places on mountain slopes.

Regards,

Aarti

surajit koley

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Sep 28, 2021, 9:40:52 AM9/28/21

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It would be very helpful to know where did I go wrong with the identification, I* suggested.

On one hand it is A. cantula (A. cantala, syn. A.vivipara) or"Bombay Aloe" to me and on the other hand it is A. americana to Anil ji and others!

Well, I just followed the Flora of Pakistan KEY,as we often do this and the other, FoC,for our identification.

If there is some other way to identify an Agave I would much appreciate it to be informed of the same.

Thank you

Regards

surajit

J.M. Garg

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Oct 4, 2021, 3:39:18 AM10/4/21

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I will go with Surajit ji.

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Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur

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Oct 4, 2021, 12:03:00 PM10/4/21

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Surajit ji

You are right. I had not seen your identification before my comment.

Regard

Aarti S. Khale

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Oct 5, 2021, 9:35:47 AM10/5/21

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Thanks Garg Ji, Surajit Ji and Anil Ji.

Taking it as Agave vivipara.

Regards,

Aarti

surajit koley

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Oct 5, 2021, 10:48:53 AM10/5/21

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Thank you Anil ji, for clearing my doubt.

Regards

surajit

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