Heracleum for id

[radha...@gmail.com]

Please help to id this Heracleum sp from Matheran.
The plant grows on the edge of cliffs in exposed locations.
Whole plant is very fragrant when crushed.

Pics were taken on 21.8.2013

regards
Radha

[Dinesh Valke]

... this is most probably Peucedanum grande of Apiaceae.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[radha...@gmail.com]

thanks for the suggestion, Dinesh,

Cooke says that in P. grande (which is now Heracleum grande according to Fl of Maharashtram BSI) the primary umbels are 10-20 rayed and the partial umbels 10-20 rayed.
I was wondering if it could be Heracleum aquilegifolium.

regards
Radha

[Dinesh Valke]

... :-) many thanks Radha for making me aware of a species very close to P. grande.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Neil Soares]

Hi,

  Agree with Dinesh. This looks like the Hill Carrot / Wild Carrot [Heracleum grande previously Peucedanum grande] to me. Have this on my property at Shahapur.

  Incidently, there is one more species H.dalgadianum found in Maharashtra, which Dr. Almeida informs me was named by Dr.[Mrs] Almeida after my great grand-uncle Dr.D.G.Dalgado [a surgeon] who wrote a book in Portuguese titled [Flora of Goa & Sawantwadi].

                             With regards,

                                Neil Soares.

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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:163489] Heracleum for id

[radha veach]

Thanks, Dr Neil for the interesting information.

I had kept this plant as H. grande up until now.
Then after comparing the various close species I became quite confused  - counting the rays, comparing the leaves and the stated heights for the plants. The other factor I considered is the reported flowering time. H. grande is usually stated as flowering in July- Aug whereas the other one is September. I noticed that the plants I photographed the other day were only just beginning to come into bloom.

Do you have a copy of your great uncle's book?  I would be interested to see it.

regards
Radha

[Neil Soares]

Thanks Dr.Radha. Came to know about the book [and my great grand-uncle being a botanist] only in May this year when I visited Dr.Almeida at Sawantwadi. He has a copy of the book which unfortunately I did not get to peruse and anyway it is in Portuguese. However, he did inform me that there is an English translation of the book which can be downloaded from the net [which I also have not been able to do yet].

                       With regards,

                          Neil Soares.

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Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:37 AM

[Gurumurthi]

Heracleum dalgadianum S.M.Almeida, by classification must be "grayish- hirsute/hirtellus....atleast on the lower surface of leaves" (Almeida, Fl. of MH. vol.4: 354). But the one posted by Radha seems to be totally glabrous.It can be either Heracleum grande  or Heracleum aquilegifolium. Based on the leaves, I stick to H.grande (Dalzell & A. Gibson) Mukhop.

Meanwhile, Dr. Neil, One must be thankful to your Great Grand father, Dr. S. R. Dalgado, who notably worked for bridging Portugese and Konkani languages. I never knew he wrote on floristic aspect too ! I would love to read his observations, please try to procure a copy and share.

 

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr. Gurumurthi, 

   A thought occured to me after reading your mail again. We are not talking here about my great grandfather Dr.S.G.Dalgado [who worked towards bridging the Portuguese and Konkani languages], but his brother my great grand-uncle Dr.D.G.Dalgado, the civil surgeon and [for me at least] the  recently discovered botanist.

                      With regards,

                         Neil Soares.

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:163931] Heracleum for id

Thank you Dr.Gurumurthi for your comments and feedback. The book is available at these 2 sites :

http://www.infibeam.com/Books/flora-de-goa-e-savantvadi-catalogo-methodico-das-daniel-gelanio-dalgado/9781246606003.html

http://www.alibris.com/Flora-de-Goa-E-Savantvadi-Catalogo-Methodico-Das-Plantas-Medicinaes-Alimentares-E-Industriaes-Daniel-Gelanio-Dalgado/book/19276536?matches=4&cm_sp=works*listing*title#

Have ordered it online, but unfortunately it is in Portuguese. Dr. Almeida had informed me that an English transalation of the book is available on the net. Will try and find it.

                    With regards,

                       Neil Soares. 

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Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:163489] Heracleum for id

Heracleum dalgadianum S.M.Almeida, by classification must be "grayish- hirsute/hirtellus....atleast on the lower surface of leaves" (Almeida, Fl. of MH. vol.4: 354). But the one posted by Radha seems to be totally glabrous.It can be either Heracleum grande  or Heracleum aquilegifolium. Based on the leaves, I stick to H.grande (Dalzell & A. Gibson) Mukhop.

Meanwhile, Dr. Neil, One must be thankful to your Great Grand father, Dr. S. R. Dalgado, who notably worked for bridging Portugese and Konkani languages. I never knew he wrote on floristic aspect too ! I would love to read his observations, please try to procure a copy and share.

 

[Neil Soares]

Thank you Dr.Gurumurthi for your comments and feedback. The book is available at these 2 sites :

http://www.infibeam.com/Books/flora-de-goa-e-savantvadi-catalogo-methodico-das-daniel-gelanio-dalgado/9781246606003.html

http://www.alibris.com/Flora-de-Goa-E-Savantvadi-Catalogo-Methodico-Das-Plantas-Medicinaes-Alimentares-E-Industriaes-Daniel-Gelanio-Dalgado/book/19276536?matches=4&cm_sp=works*listing*title#

Have ordered it online, but unfortunately it is in Portuguese. Dr. Almeida had informed me that an English transalation of the book is available on the net. Will try and find it.

                    With regards,

                       Neil Soares. 

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:163489] Heracleum for id

[Neil Soares]

Hi Dr.Gurumurthi,

 Received the book today. Sending a few excerpts.

                   With regards,

                      Neil Soares.

P.S. - There was also a third brother, a lawyer who defended Lokmanya Tilak in Kala Pani.

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:49 PM

[Neil Soares]

Hi,

 Apologies. Missed one photograph.

           Regards,

             Neil Soares.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:164367] Heracleum for id

[Gurumurthi]

Dear Dr. Neil,

Thank you for the update, will have the book soon.

 

[mohina macker]

Dear Neil, Gurumurthi

 If you do lay your hands on the english version, i would dearly love a copy

regards

mohina macker

[Neha.FORREST]

Hello, From where I can get English translation of " Flora of Goa" book?

 Can anyone help Please.