Cardamine ¿ scutata / subumbellata ?
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Dinesh Valke
Jul 15, 2010, 4:06:18 AM7/15/10
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Dear friends,
ID provided by Satish Pardeshi ji over Google Buzz ... Cardamine scutata.
Seems to me, C. subumbellata
Date/Time : July 11, 2010 at 8.07am IST
Location Place : near Prabal Machi, Panvel, Maharashtra
Altitude : about 204 m (above mean sea level)
GPS : around 18.982835°N, 73.211909°E
Habitat : wild, along forest trails
Type : moist deciduous forest
Plant
Habit : herb
Height : about 25 - 30 cm
Satish ji, while gathering information from internet:
1) the plant posted by me looks more agreeable with C. subumbellata
references:
a) Cooke's flora ... description attached ... online at http://www.archive.org/stream/floraofpresidenc01cook#page/30/mode/2up/search/Cardamine
b) Hooker's flora ... description attached ... online at http://www.archive.org/stream/floraofbritishin01hook#page/138/mode/2up/search/Cardamine
2) Status of C. scutata not very clear ... an article related to Cardamine species in American journal of Botany at http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/93/8/1206
a) at flickr looks different (although, not dependable) ... http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Cardamine+scutata&m=text
3) at IPNI (as Tabish pointed out), C. subumbellata is an accepted name, with no synonyms ,,, http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=B5D106882C74D8FD00FAE703B2FEB46C?id=280681-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DB5D106882C74D8FD00FAE703B2FEB46C%3Ffind_wholeName%3DCardamine%2Bsubumbellata%26output_format%3Dnormal
Dear friends and Satish ji, please resolve this query.
Regards.
ID provided by Satish Pardeshi ji over Google Buzz ... Cardamine scutata.
Seems to me, C. subumbellata
Date/Time : July 11, 2010 at 8.07am IST
Location Place : near Prabal Machi, Panvel, Maharashtra
Altitude : about 204 m (above mean sea level)
GPS : around 18.982835°N, 73.211909°E
Habitat : wild, along forest trails
Type : moist deciduous forest
Plant
Habit : herb
Height : about 25 - 30 cm
Satish ji, while gathering information from internet:
1) the plant posted by me looks more agreeable with C. subumbellata
references:
a) Cooke's flora ... description attached ... online at http://www.archive.org/stream/floraofpresidenc01cook#page/30/mode/2up/search/Cardamine
b) Hooker's flora ... description attached ... online at http://www.archive.org/stream/floraofbritishin01hook#page/138/mode/2up/search/Cardamine
2) Status of C. scutata not very clear ... an article related to Cardamine species in American journal of Botany at http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/93/8/1206
a) at flickr looks different (although, not dependable) ... http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Cardamine+scutata&m=text
3) at IPNI (as Tabish pointed out), C. subumbellata is an accepted name, with no synonyms ,,, http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=B5D106882C74D8FD00FAE703B2FEB46C?id=280681-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditSimplePlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DB5D106882C74D8FD00FAE703B2FEB46C%3Ffind_wholeName%3DCardamine%2Bsubumbellata%26output_format%3Dnormal
Dear friends and Satish ji, please resolve this query.
Regards.
Tabish
Jul 15, 2010, 4:26:00 AM7/15/10
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Dear Dinesh,
Kudos for the thorough post, including the excerpts from the
original reference of C. subumbellata - Flora of British India,
Hooker.
The leaves seem to agree very well with the description. I had also
zoomed in to one of your pictures to see that the flowers have 6
stamens.
- Tabish
> ID provided by Satish Pardeshi ji over Google Buzz ... *Cardamine scutata*.
> Seems to me, *C. subumbellata**
>
> *
> b) Hooker's flora ... description attached ... online athttp://www.archive.org/stream/floraofbritishin01hook#page/138/mode/2u...
>
> 2) Status of *C. scutata* not very clear ... an article related to Cardamine
> species in American journal of Botany athttp://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/93/8/1206
> a) at flickr looks different (although, not dependable) ...http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Cardamine+scutata&m=text
>
> 3) at IPNI (as Tabish pointed out), *C. subumbellata* is an accepted name,
> with no synonyms ,,,http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=B5D106882C74...
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Kudos for the thorough post, including the excerpts from the
original reference of C. subumbellata - Flora of British India,
Hooker.
The leaves seem to agree very well with the description. I had also
zoomed in to one of your pictures to see that the flowers have 6
stamens.
- Tabish
> ID provided by Satish Pardeshi ji over Google Buzz ... *Cardamine scutata*.
> Seems to me, *C. subumbellata**
>
> *
> Date/Time : July 11, 2010 at 8.07am IST
> Location Place : near Prabal Machi, Panvel, Maharashtra
> Altitude : about 204 m (above mean sea level)
> GPS : around 18.982835°N, 73.211909°E
>
> Habitat : wild, along forest trails
> Type : moist deciduous forest
>
> Plant
> Habit : herb
> Height : about 25 - 30 cm
>
> **
> Location Place : near Prabal Machi, Panvel, Maharashtra
> Altitude : about 204 m (above mean sea level)
> GPS : around 18.982835°N, 73.211909°E
>
> Habitat : wild, along forest trails
> Type : moist deciduous forest
>
> Plant
> Habit : herb
> Height : about 25 - 30 cm
>
>
> Satish ji, while gathering information from internet:
> 1) the plant posted by me looks more agreeable with C. subumbellata
> references:
> a) Cooke's flora ... description attached ... online athttp://www.archive.org/stream/floraofpresidenc01cook#page/30/mode/2up...
> Satish ji, while gathering information from internet:
> 1) the plant posted by me looks more agreeable with C. subumbellata
> references:
> b) Hooker's flora ... description attached ... online athttp://www.archive.org/stream/floraofbritishin01hook#page/138/mode/2u...
>
> 2) Status of *C. scutata* not very clear ... an article related to Cardamine
> species in American journal of Botany athttp://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/93/8/1206
> a) at flickr looks different (although, not dependable) ...http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Cardamine+scutata&m=text
>
> 3) at IPNI (as Tabish pointed out), *C. subumbellata* is an accepted name,
> with no synonyms ,,,http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=B5D106882C74...
>
> Dear friends and Satish ji, please resolve this query.
>
> Regards.
>
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> Dear friends and Satish ji, please resolve this query.
>
> Regards.
>
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> 104KViewDownload
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Pardeshi S.
Jul 15, 2010, 4:46:23 AM7/15/10
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Hell all
Cardamine scutata Thunb. in Tran. L. Soc. London 2: 339, 1794;
Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 42, 1996.
Synonyms: C. flexuosa With., Bot. Arr. Brit. Pl. ed. 3, 578, 1796.
C. subumbellata Hook. f. & Anders. in Fl. Brit. India 1: 138, 1872;
Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 32, 1958 (Repr.).
C. hirsuta var. sylvatica, (L.) Hook.f., in Fl. Brit. India 1: 138,
1872.
C. trichocarpa Hochst. ex A. Rich. Tent. Fl. Abyss. 1: 18, 1847; Singh
et al. Fl. Mah. St. 1: 201, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 94, 2005.
C. subumbellata is the synonym of C. scutata. refer Almeida, Fl. Mah.
1: 42, 1996.
quiet common on rocky patches in Mumbai at SGNP, Mahim fort and Sewri
fort.
Regards
Satish Pardeshi
Cardamine scutata Thunb. in Tran. L. Soc. London 2: 339, 1794;
Almeida, Fl. Mah. 1: 42, 1996.
Synonyms: C. flexuosa With., Bot. Arr. Brit. Pl. ed. 3, 578, 1796.
C. subumbellata Hook. f. & Anders. in Fl. Brit. India 1: 138, 1872;
Cooke, Fl. Pres. Bombay 1: 32, 1958 (Repr.).
C. hirsuta var. sylvatica, (L.) Hook.f., in Fl. Brit. India 1: 138,
1872.
C. trichocarpa Hochst. ex A. Rich. Tent. Fl. Abyss. 1: 18, 1847; Singh
et al. Fl. Mah. St. 1: 201, 2000; Pradhan et al, Fl. SGNP 94, 2005.
C. subumbellata is the synonym of C. scutata. refer Almeida, Fl. Mah.
1: 42, 1996.
quiet common on rocky patches in Mumbai at SGNP, Mahim fort and Sewri
fort.
Regards
Satish Pardeshi
Tabish
Jul 15, 2010, 5:08:05 AM7/15/10
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Description of Cardamine scutata Thunberg. in Flora of China doesn't
agree at all with the description of Cardamine subumbellata Hook. f. &
Anders. in Flora of British India.
So, surely they must be different plants. Am I missing something?
- Tabish
agree at all with the description of Cardamine subumbellata Hook. f. &
Anders. in Flora of British India.
So, surely they must be different plants. Am I missing something?
- Tabish
tanay bose
Jul 15, 2010, 6:55:51 AM7/15/10
to Tabish, efloraofindia
As the Indian floras provides the exact description of the plant, and most databases support that Cardamine subumbellata has no synonyms then I hope it will be quite wise to go with the Flora of British India.
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Tabish
Jul 15, 2010, 8:39:44 AM7/15/10
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Dear Prashant,
Do you have a closeup of the flower?
- Tabish
On Jul 15, 4:23 pm, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> Enclosing few snaps of the same plant from Manikgad (near Rasayani, Panvel
> region).
> regards
> Prashant
>
> DSC06993.JPG
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Do you have a closeup of the flower?
- Tabish
On Jul 15, 4:23 pm, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
> Enclosing few snaps of the same plant from Manikgad (near Rasayani, Panvel
> region).
> regards
> Prashant
>
> On 7/15/10, tanay bose <tanaybos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > As the Indian floras provides the exact description of the plant, and most
> > databases support that *Cardamine subumbellata* has no synonyms then I
>
>
>
> > As the Indian floras provides the exact description of the plant, and most
> > hope it will be quite wise to go with the Flora of British India.
> > Tanay
>
> > Tanay
>
> 177KViewDownload
>
> DSC06991.JPG
> 149KViewDownload
tanay bose
Jul 15, 2010, 8:58:19 AM7/15/10
to Tabish, efloraofindia
The stamen factor will play a good role hence a close of the flower will help a lot
tanay
tanay
Prashant awale
Jul 17, 2010, 11:39:18 AM7/17/10
to Dinesh Valke, efloraofindia
Dear Dinesh,
Today i had been to Matheran hills where i came across this small herb. Tried to capture few close ups. I could spot few in its fruiting stage. Do have a look.
regards
Prashant
Today i had been to Matheran hills where i came across this small herb. Tried to capture few close ups. I could spot few in its fruiting stage. Do have a look.
regards
Prashant
tanay bose
Jul 17, 2010, 11:47:28 AM7/17/10
to Prashant awale, Dinesh Valke, efloraofindia
Thanks Prasant Ji, For your lovely efforts
The Plant is undoubtedly Cardamine subumbellata
It completely matches with the description in the Flora of India
I wanted to see the flowers with six anthers which is present in your photos
The fruits are flat and lanceolate as depicted by Hooker !!
I am convinced
Tanay
The Plant is undoubtedly Cardamine subumbellata
It completely matches with the description in the Flora of India
I wanted to see the flowers with six anthers which is present in your photos
The fruits are flat and lanceolate as depicted by Hooker !!
I am convinced
Tanay
Dinesh Valke
Jul 17, 2010, 11:55:12 AM7/17/10
to Prashant awale, efloraofindia
Fantastic !! dear Prashant ... you managed to get the close-up of the flower, which was more important to ID than its beauty !!!!
The photos are good too, needless to say.
Regards.
The photos are good too, needless to say.
Regards.
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:
Tabish
Jul 17, 2010, 12:36:31 PM7/17/10
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Great Prashant,
Now you can find flowers on demand! ;-)
So, this flower agrees with the description of Cardamine subumbellata
in having 6 stamens. The description of the fruit also agrees well. I
have no doubt about this plant being Cardamine subumbellata.
Cheers!
- Tabish
On Jul 17, 8:55 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fantastic !! dear Prashant ... you managed to get the close-up of the
> flower, which was more important to ID than its beauty !!!!
> The photos are good too, needless to say.
>
> Regards.
>
> >> *.
>
> >> 2) Status of *C. scutata* not very clear ... an article related to
Now you can find flowers on demand! ;-)
So, this flower agrees with the description of Cardamine subumbellata
in having 6 stamens. The description of the fruit also agrees well. I
have no doubt about this plant being Cardamine subumbellata.
Cheers!
- Tabish
On Jul 17, 8:55 pm, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fantastic !! dear Prashant ... you managed to get the close-up of the
> flower, which was more important to ID than its beauty !!!!
> The photos are good too, needless to say.
>
> Regards.
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Prashant awale <pkaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Dinesh,
> > Today i had been to Matheran hills where i came across this small herb.
> > Tried to capture few close ups. I could spot few in its fruiting stage. Do
> > have a look.
> > regards
> > Prashant
>
> > Dear Dinesh,
> > Today i had been to Matheran hills where i came across this small herb.
> > Tried to capture few close ups. I could spot few in its fruiting stage. Do
> > have a look.
> > regards
> > Prashant
>
> > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh.va...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Dear friends,
> >> ID provided by Satish Pardeshi ji over Google Buzz ... *Cardamine scutata
>
> >> Dear friends,
> >> *.
> >> Seems to me, *C. subumbellata**
>
> >> *
>
> >> *
> >> Date/Time : July 11, 2010 at 8.07am IST
> >> Location Place : near Prabal Machi, Panvel, Maharashtra
> >> Altitude : about 204 m (above mean sea level)
> >> GPS : around 18.982835°N, 73.211909°E
>
> >> Habitat : wild, along forest trails
> >> Type : moist deciduous forest
>
> >> Plant
> >> Habit : herb
> >> Height : about 25 - 30 cm
>
> >> **
> >> Location Place : near Prabal Machi, Panvel, Maharashtra
> >> Altitude : about 204 m (above mean sea level)
> >> GPS : around 18.982835°N, 73.211909°E
>
> >> Habitat : wild, along forest trails
> >> Type : moist deciduous forest
>
> >> Plant
> >> Habit : herb
> >> Height : about 25 - 30 cm
>
>
> >> Satish ji, while gathering information from internet:
> >> 1) the plant posted by me looks more agreeable with C. subumbellata
> >> references:
> >> a) Cooke's flora ... description attached ... online at
> >>http://www.archive.org/stream/floraofpresidenc01cook#page/30/mode/2up...
> >> Satish ji, while gathering information from internet:
> >> 1) the plant posted by me looks more agreeable with C. subumbellata
> >> references:
> >> a) Cooke's flora ... description attached ... online at
> >> b) Hooker's flora ... description attached ... online at
> >>http://www.archive.org/stream/floraofbritishin01hook#page/138/mode/2u...
>
> >> 2) Status of *C. scutata* not very clear ... an article related to
> >> Cardamine species in American journal of Botany at
> >>http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/93/8/1206
> >> a) at flickr looks different (although, not dependable) ...
> >>http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Cardamine+scutata&m=text
>
> >> 3) at IPNI (as Tabish pointed out), *C. subumbellata* is an accepted
> >>http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/93/8/1206
> >> a) at flickr looks different (although, not dependable) ...
> >>http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=Cardamine+scutata&m=text
>
> >> name, with no synonyms ,,,
> >>http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=B5D106882C74...
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