Plumbaginaceae and Primulaceae (Incl. Myrsinaceae) Fortnight- :: NS June 20

[Nidhan Singh]

Dear All,

This rock Primula was shot from Gori Valley area..

Please help to id..

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[D.S Rawat]

Most of the high altitude Primula are early bloomers. But this...flowering in October, almost at the end of season, must be interesting. Bifid petals rule out P.petiolaris, P.sessilis.

DSRawat Pantnagar 

[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks Rawat Ji,  further inputs are awaited...

[Satish Phadke]

Beautiful again.

Dr Satish Phadke

On 12 June 2014 08:42, Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Rawat Ji,  further inputs are awaited...

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:

"Most of the high altitude Primula are early bloomers. But
this...flowering in October, almost at the end of season, must be
interesting. Bifid petals rule out P.petiolaris, P.sessilis.
DSRawat Pantnagar "

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:

"Most of the high altitude Primula are early bloomers. But this...flowering in October, almost at the end of season, must be
interesting. Bifid petals rule out P.petiolaris, P.sessilis.
DSRawat Pantnagar "

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[Abid Munshi]

 friends it may be Primula hirsuta because of bifid petal

Prof. A. H. Munshi

[Gurcharan Singh]

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Distributed as  Primula species- Gori Valley area 

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Primula species- Gori Valley area 

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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Thanks a lot, John ji

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This is a remarkable plant due to the bifid petals. It would be interesting to know if the flower colour, bright pink, is true. It has some resemblance to P. drummondiana, also winter-flowering, but that species has lilac flowers. There is a very little known plant P. cunninghamii which might answer this description, but the type material is very poor. It is presently treated as a synonym of P. drummondiana. We need to know the form of the fruit capsule as well. At present, this has the possibility of being a new taxon.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Pam ji

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On Sun, 14 Feb, 2021, 11:19 am Eveleigh, <evel...@shaw.ca> wrote:

Dr. Nidhan Singh has confirmed that the date of the image was in October and the location was near Munsiyari. This favors Primula drummondiana which was collected in October in full flower. The type specimens were collected from a pass above Namik, about 12kms to the west of Munsyari. Characters which are diagnostic are the Fall flowering, emarginate corolla lobes, flower tube 2-3 times the length of the calyx, efarinose leaves with a repand-denticulate margin, which we can see from the images. Apparently this species has multicellular glandular hairs on the upper leaf surface, which are impossible to see in the images. The seed capsule of this species is unknown and that has lead to some speculation as to its relationship with other Primula species. You can see a type material online at http://specimens.kew.org/herbarium/K000750236

Best Wishes,

Pam Eveleigh

 

 

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Richards ji and Pam ji.

On digging further, I think this is the same plant as discussed in the post at Gori Valley Tour: Primula for identification.. (Pl. click this link to see the details).

At that time, you have tentatively written as 

"It is unusual to find P. gracilipes flowering in the autumn. If the whole population is flowering freely then, maybe this is a new autumn-flowering form of P. gracilipes, as is found in P. boothii. Probably it deserves a new name at lower rank."

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 at 15:40, JOHN RICHARDS <hightre...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Thanks Pam. Yes the date and location do suggest P. drummondiana. We have to overcome the apparent flower colour of bright pink. We used to grow P. drummondiana and are very familiar with it. The flowers were always lilac to blue. Maybe the flower colour here is an artefact of the camera?

John

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Dr. Nidhan Singh has confirmed that the date of the image was in October and the location was near Munsiyari. This favors Primula drummondiana which was collected in October in full flower. The type specimens were collected from a pass above Namik, about 12kms to the west of Munsyari. Characters which are diagnostic are the Fall flowering, emarginate corolla lobes, flower tube 2-3 times the length of the calyx, efarinose leaves with a repand-denticulate margin, which we can see from the images. Apparently this species has multicellular glandular hairs on the upper leaf surface, which are impossible to see in the images. The seed capsule of this species is unknown and that has lead to some speculation as to its relationship with other Primula species. You can see a type material online at http://specimens.kew.org/herbarium/K000750236

Best Wishes,

Pam Eveleigh

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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Dear All,

This rock Primula was shot from Gori Valley area..

Please help to id..

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Dr. Nidhan Singh

Assistant Professor
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227

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Thanks a lot, Richards ji

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On Sun, 14 Feb, 2021, 6:37 pm JOHN RICHARDS, <hightre...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Yes, you are right, it is the same plant with the same bilobed petals. It is not P. drummondiana and I believe it to be a new autumn-flowering taxon. John Richards