We must cry out
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As hundreds can now attest, the web site, the teachings, the books, and
the words of Mike Peters and allathisfeet are deceptively sweet. More
than a few people were drawn in by the teachings of
www.allathisfeet.com by the lure of a closer relationship with Jesus,
unstained and pure. It sounds so good, but living within the community
that is ruled by these teachings have killed hundreds of relationships
with extended families, wives, husbands and children. And as many
people have now testified first hand, the life in Indy (and maybe
Columbus) is controlling, manipulating, and thrives on guilt.
What kind of God-fearing movement encourages separation from Godly
parents? What kind of Jesus-loving church removes grandchildren from
the love of extended family? What kind of church discourages marital
closeness, tenderness and time together? What kind of church encourages
wives to manipulate their husband by withholding affection? What kind
of "Holy Spirit" would enable people to act in His stead -- convicting,
guilting, and robbing people of joy.
We judge not people, but the fruit of their lives.
Jesus came to salvage broken bodies, broken souls, broken hearts and
yes broken relationships. No movement of God would deepen Satan's wedge
into relationship. The biblical Jesus heals. The "Jesus" of
allofathisfeet destroys.
And by this, Mike Peters and his teachings are condemned and we must
cry out.
libertyinJesus
group for about four years and I am now glad to know the liberty that
is found in Jesus! Here are some thoughts I wrote when I got out:
For the first time I am going to write some thoughts about the
movement I was involved in. I really challenged a someone in the group
on something that was said. And to put it simply, I walked away from
the relationship, too. I can't say that it wasn't God's
providence, because I believe it was. That doesn't take away all of
the pain of severing ties.
A friend asked me the other day if I had any "red flags" from God
about that group. I told her I did in the beginning, but once you
start ignoring the warnings they go from being a shout to a whisper.
Today I remembered a red flag that I missed. Some time ago, a person
from the group and I were talking to a lady who has been involved much
longer, and we were sharing about how we used to hear God a lot more
and in a more personal "one on one" way. I was concerned. I had
thoughts like, "Am I letting the group and the teachings take the
place of God?" This lady quickly "assured" us that this was
normal and that she had the same experience. She said that now God uses
other people to talk to her more and that those "times" with God
speaking to her or dealing directly with her have decreased. Blazing
Red Flag!!!
Why did I mostly accept this answer? Why didn't I see it as a
huge red flag? Well, I think I know the answer to that in part.
Accepting thoughts and teachings that are false and dangerous to our
spiritual health doesn't happen over night. It is a gradual process
that for me greatly involved wanting a place to belong and wanting to
"see" God's Bride on earth (or His people). I now know that
God's Bride is not something you can stamp a label onto a particular
group or movement. Oh sure, we said we weren't the only ones, but
actions speak louder and we shunned many, many more people than we
accepted.
When you begin to deify a leader or group, giving them the spiritual
authority in your life; the red flags from God become a muted pink. How
could you challenge a teaching from a leader that you've given
authority to in your life. God alone should have that place of
authority. I saw people who disagreed or questioned a teaching, and
how they were talked about and treated on many occasions. I did not
want to be in their shoes. And you really don't question as much when
you give your heart away to a group and EVERYTHING it stands for. I
defended it with my life. I walked away from all my family and friends
to be with these people. Scary. Would I walk away from anything or
anyone if God so required? I hope I would, but that was not the case
here. I was cutting people off to be part of a movement, not part of
God!
Why didn't I ever read an email or thesis from the group on
"leader idolatry" or "group/movement idolatry"? That would have
been counter productive! It is no one's fault but my own that I put
humans in the position only reserved for God. I had little pink flags
all along that would have been bright red had I not begun to accept
things I had initially questioned. Why did I accept extreme teachings?
Again, I think I know the answer in part. I wanted so badly to find on
earth something wholly true and wholly pure and right. Oh, how I
desired being right! THIS IS FOUND IN JESUS ALONE!!!
Thanks be to God who is full of mercy and compassion!!! Praise
and Glory To Him who restored me to His freedom! Was I going to finish
in the flesh what He began In the Spirit? Oh, the peace of finally
resting in Him again! Oh, the comfort and joy in His accepting love! To
understand completely that I am saved by Grace through Faith has been
my greatest joy. It has been an honor to see God restore family and
friends that I had left behind, only to find the purpose in those
relationships was to love with God's love so I can truly point to
Him. The bible says that without love we are nothing but a clanging
gong! Thanks to Him for showing me grace and His love for me in spite
of me, so that I can love others more.
DanRepent
Isn't it interesting to look at how many Jesus "characters" there are
in the world today. Didn't Jesus say that many would come in His name?
That means that many will honestly believe that their ministry is it
and all others have fallen short. How many cults today take this
stance? I think the mark of a true believer is real genuine Love. Not
the mushy stuff, but real shoe leather love.
scooterboy
Several years ago we were being pursued by the Indy group and
unfortunately lost our best friends,neighbors and pastor to this mind
controlling group. It split a church, and has divided families. Our
friends refused to speak to us or their families "of origin" since the
day they moved to indy. The rented by the way, because they were not
allowed to purchase a home until they were 'committed" to the church.
We now know they are separated due to his removal from the group. He
has not seen his wife adn kids in nearly one year. His wife now plays
alot of golf with mike peters by the way.
My concern now is that three families from the Indy church all moved to
Columbus(indiana) and have been infilitrating the local home schooling
network with their books, "the novel" and everything else written by
M.P . as he so bravely signs everything. Their material/propaganda is
now seen all over Columbus and I personally am informing everyone
possible of their cultish behavior
DanRepent
lose your children into the group. There is some hope; a ex-member has
confessed that the main reason why she did not fight for a divorce was
because the courts would think she was in a cult. And she was right, if
a Peterite woman took the stand in the United States, she would be
perceived as a religious extremist or at least borderline psychotic.
This group tries to stay under the radar, but we all know if the
authorities starting probing cult members they would find out some
weird things, not enough to go to jail; but enough for a family court
judge to give Dad full custody. Mike Peters knows this, that is why he
tries to discredit everyone who leaves. That is why he has "tried"
to legally sue ex-members. In reality, the court system in this country
would literally eat him and his group alive. There are more witnesses
coming out now then there are cult members in Columbus branch. That
speaks volumes. Be strong men who are looking to become free!!!
DanRepent
Thanks for posting this. Many people have been coming forward and are
testifying the same things:
1.) Division and excommunication of trusted believers
2.) Martial Dysfunction/Separation
3.) Total unquestioned loyalty to Mike Peters
Keep warning people not to go to their sites or play their religious
games..
Scannyd
I had a few questions if that is ok? I was wondering if you have
contact with this man who is recently seperated from his family? Has
he seen the factnet site? Also I just wanted to encourage you to keep
warning people there. It seems God has a plan for each of us to help
keep others out of this cult. Thanks for posting.
scooterboy
not spoken with in 7 years. I will see what he has to say before I
mention factnet.
Is it likely that the church in Indy would send 3 familes south to
Columbus Indiana on mission? It seems rather odd compared to what they
appear to be ( closed and with a tight rein). Possible that these 3
families have been excommunicated and are starting their "own thing"?
They do have the same material.
Another question, we were told that the church in Indy is allowed to
physically discipline each others children...even to the point where
they all keep wooden spoons in the same location in certain drawers.
Has this ever been mentioned in the past?
Scannyd
If you have read factnet then look at Chris0. He was kicked out but
is apparently still trying to live the Indy way. Someone probably
suggested to them to move and find people there. They are recruiting.
They have many faces but most of them aren't what they seem.
I do not know about the spoons. I personally never lived in Indy but
lived in Westerville, Ohio. That wasn't big there, I don't think, but
it could have happened at some point in Indy. If it is/was being done
it is obviously wrong.
I would love to hear what this person has to say. Hopefully he is
seeking the truth.
DanRepent
Tim S. on factnet just posted that he is coming up by Columbus,
Indiana. He left his name and number for you. I've talked with him and
we are friends now. Feel free to contact him if you want more info.
scooterboy
thanks
DanRepent
about the Peters group. For those that don't get the news letter here
it is:
"For the multiple families being destroyed and split up by the Peters
cult in Indianapolis!
So many calls for help have come to us that we can hardly answer them
all! Mike Peters is a cult leader par excellence; he is in our opinion,
a very dangerous man. Please read the testimonies on Fact-Net
concerning this aberrant group!"
Will Mike Peters retaliate with a law suit threat AGAIN? You know if
Mike Peters would sue all who have publicly denounced his group it was
take at least 5 -7 years to in the court system. There are at least 6
internet sites that declare Mike Peters a cult leader. I presume many
more will pop up in the future.
scooterboy
area are not related to the MP group in Indy. However, material is
popping up all over our area. Any other thoughts on this? Three
families ( that all moved from the Indy area...and 2 of the familes
rent houses next to each other) deny "attending" a church....claiming
they dont need a localized church body..and then have material handy to
share.
Could they have been outcast from Indy, yet still be believing the
deceit?
DanRepent
There are many rogues out there who on their own try to spread the
false teaching in forms of tapes, business cards, and papers. There
have been times confessed by Mike Peters himself where people have
tried to start whole churches with his doctrine. Indy usually doesn't
"support" what they can not completely control. It is still dangerous
though, for these people to be actively pursuing your church and
community.
It would be helpful to get the names of these folks that are in your
area. Perhaps we could find out from ex-members who they are. Next find
out what teachings they are handing out. They call this foundational
doctrine.
scooterboy
posting them on this site..
DanRepent
Don't forget to find out what teachings they are spreading. The names
of the tapes or papers would be helpful.
Theophilos
Your life is the territory over which you have been granted the
authority by God to decide such things as these "what ifs"? The
question again becomes, how will you respond to an idea or truth
previously unknown or hidden from you by the "priests," though clearly
in the Bible? You have been granted the right to choose.
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The above is actually a wonderful statement with a two-fold purpose -
1) to open your mind to new ways of applying biblical passages, and in
particular to draw your interest toward the teachings and practices of
the religious community headed by Mike Peters - 2) but it may also be
applied to those who have had their eyes opened and are now considering
the "what ifs" about some of the questionable practices in the Indy
camp. Therefore, never forget the authority and responsibility granted
to you by God to decide about these matters even now. What if
Indianapolis isn't quite what they claim to be? Do you have the courage
to move on with any further revelation God is trying to show you?
I would like to summarize my thoughts about this whole matter
concerning Indianapolis, and some of the other cults I have had a taste
of during the course of the last 25 years. As one who loves Jesus with
the whole heart, that inner yearning for His life, way and truth will
always cause one to seek for closer and deeper ways to experience Him -
and I believe (even by God's providence) He has allowed for fragments
of His truth to appear in various places - much like road signs
pointing to the Celestial City. It very much reminds me of the Bunyan
story of Pilgrims Progress, and how true that allegory is to our own
walk. Lets not forget that the Celestial City is not going to be found
on this earth, no matter how spiritual it's clever imitation may
appear! No, not even in Indianapolis.
Being familiar with the story of Pilgrims Progress, I cannot go so far
as to tell you, dear reader, what path you should or shouldn't take -
for doing so is not within my jurisdiction as a fellow pilgrim in the
Way. It is entirely between you and your Lord, where He would lead you
to learn - and I would never want to rob you of the opportunities for
that priceless personal experience. As long as our feet touch this
earthly ground, we will time and again meet various potholes and
puddles along the way to muddy our feet in - so even if you leave from
here (the Indianapolis group) today, soon other doors will open and
invite you into new trappings! Thus is the way with man. I can only
offer you this, that wherever your feet may lead you to go - may God go
with you... and may you come to know His GRACE deeply. And keep your
rubber boots on!
And always remain personally connected to the "inner voice" of God, and
never allow that to be replaced or blocked by any so-called "spokesman"
for God - for NO MAN can speak for you on behalf of God, NO MAN can
replace your personal walk and responsibility with God - not a 100
fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters - and no not Mike Peters either.
In the end it is going to be YOU who has to answer for the choices you
have made for yourself in this life. So, allow yourself to tune out
those other 100 voices and be still... that you may hear your Father's
voice within your own spirit. And Follow Him!
A blessed journey to all who will.
Theophilos