Re: Here's your form "India Product Managers' Conclave Feedback"
Joel Johnson
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itsvijay
I am not able to access this form/spreadsheet...permission issue...
Rgds,
Vijay
On Sep 19, 10:54 pm, Joel Johnson <joe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
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> Would someone confirm if all the events are in the exact sequence of
> execution? And please let me know if the Breakout sessions are correct?
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> Thanx,
> Joel.
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Alok Shukla
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Joel Johnson
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itsvijay
it looks good....just a small suggestion..can you change the first
list item in Overall Experience to Good/VGood( just a thought! after
all these criticisms)
Regards,
Vijay
> Hey Joel...it looks good to me
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Joel Johnson <joe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey guys,
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> > Can we consider this feedback link ok? If so, it can then be used for the
> > participants.
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> > Thanx,
> > Joel.
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> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Joel Johnson <joe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Crap! For some reason, when I send it to the product managers group, it's
> >> not going to each of our email addresses.
> >> I've tried to jugaadify one of the other web pages, obviously this will
> >> need neatification.. :)
>
> >> Take a look at this link.
> >>http://www.iimb-pmconclave.com/feedback.php
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> >> <http://www.iimb-pmconclave.com/feedback.php>Thanx,
> >> Joel.
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> >>> Same here!
>
Joel Johnson
Kavash Sharma
Good Morning Folks,
Please rest this topic till we all meet in person.
@Dharmesh: I completely agree with you that let us meet on Friday and first come on the same page about what should be the next step.
@Karthik: I like your mail. Beautifully done. Just one change and that we can speak on the day we meet.
Till then I request everyone to stop talking and sending emails about it. It is not going to help matters.
We ALL have one aim in mind and I have no second thoughts about it. And now that there is slight hiccup, let us not react overtly.
We have already done some pacifying and the rest can go in the form of Karthik's email or personal meet whatever we meet & decide upon.
I sincerely appreciate Dharmesh, Karthik, Joel, Rakshmi and all others who are taking a constructive approach to resolve this.
Let us all meet in front of P-11 & P-12 on Friday at 1:20 pm for 10-15 min.
Kindly refrain from voicing your thoughts prior to that over emails.
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Kavash
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From: Joel Johnson[SMTP:JOE...@GMAIL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:21:49 AM
To: india-product-m...@googlegroups.com
Cc: PGSEM-SAC
Subject: Re: FW: Product-Manager Conclave
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Hey Karthik and Dharmesh,
Please let SAC take the point from here.
Let's make this perfectly clear now, this issue is to be only communicated to the SAC, and will not be taken up with the CP by anybody from this group. This is henceforth SAC's responsibility. We have Subhra, Kavash and me from the SAC who also took part in this event, so we are not unaware of the happenings. All this is being communicated towards the SAC.
Thanx,
Joel.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:20 AM, gandhi dharmesh <gandh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put Karthik. If SAC agrees with this then maybe SAC should send it.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Karthik Raman Naig <karthik...@iimb.ernet.in> wrote:
I agree. Event was great. But CP was upset. His points are partially valid. i think we should have a discussion on this, and not take his criticism negatively. Let's find a way to tackle it.
I propose Dharmesh / Alok / someone from the 2008 batch send a mail to CP with the following text. Even though we can debate the validity of his points, ignoring him is not going to solve the issue. He is our most important stakeholder.
If there is a consensus, I don't minding sending this mail myself.
"Dear Sir,
We have seen your email and think your points are valid. Your email is a learning for all of us. Rest assured, we will have a detailed meeting on each of the points raised by you and update you on specific actions that we will take to prevent such a situation from recurring.
The specific incidents you mentioned were not intentional. We have all put in a lot of thought and effort in organizing this event, and the last thing we wanted was some other company walking away taking the credit for this event. The whole idea was to brand PGSEM, but in a subtle way. But we may have made some mistakes along the way.
I would like to reiterate that the whole idea is to make the PM conclave a regular feature of the PGSEM calendar because it can open up a significant career path for the PGSEM students. In addition, it also benefits IIMB and the Industry as it will draw top leaders from the industry.
We promise you the mistakes were unintentional, and will take the greatest care to ensure it does not happen again.
Regards,
Karthik
From: india-product-m...@googlegroups.com on behalf of gandhi dharmesh
Sent: Tue 9/21/2010 9:53 AM
To: pgse...@gmail.com; india-product-m...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: Product-Manager Conclave
Let us have a meeting of the SAC and the representatives from the organizing committee on Friday so that there can be a consistent approach on how to tacke CP. Is lunch time fine? We should not go beyond 2 PM.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, gandhi dharmesh <gandh...@gmail.com> wrote:
Left out the SAC here
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From: gandhi dharmesh <gandh...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Product-Manager Conclave
To: india-product-m...@googlegroups.com
This event was an opportunity for PGSEM guys who are interested in Product Mgmt. I am sure they turned up and in fact most of them were volunteers. I dont expect anyone else to turn up, why would they?
Independence: This is the way we have operated in the past wherein the CP does not get overtly involved in student activities. And I think that should not change, I hope not...but his recent actions seem to be opposite .Taking over of SAC bank account does not augur well.
About branding: I think this is the best way of branding in my opinion wherein you do not overt mention PGSEM but you still manage to make it as an inseparable entity of IIMB and bring out its value by being the interface between academia and industry.
I personally gained a lot from this event and I think so did the other organizers. In that sense we have achieved what we set out to do :)
Let's just ignore CP's email. Of course in future we would still need to tackle him in some manner.
Regards
Dharmesh
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Amol Bhore <amol.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
There are two factors, one is he thinks branding of PGSEM was lacking & other is Pinkesh was more aggressive.
On top of it Pinkesh stopped him (5'th point) & may be it is the main trigger.
Actually few participants said to me that more than product management you guys are selling PGSEM here.
One important lesson is dont ignore important stakeholders :-)
Secondly when he is talking so much about PGSEM, my question is where was the PGSEM crowd ? We had valuation class on that but still nobody turned up for the event? Did he ask PGSEM guys why did not they come?
Guys just ignore that email.
-Amol
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Alok Shukla <alok.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think TOI had PGSEM in it.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Parashar Shah <parash...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alok,
No doubt, we have done a great job. I too agree with #1, #2 and #3 and that there is scope for improvement. Whether the email should have gone to all - I don't know about it.
Aside, the news articles in thehindu and TOI did not have 'PGSEM' in them. It was mentioned in a different manner. And the articles could have mentioned our PGSEM and IIMB-PMConclave websites to bring in more awareness. That too could have been a slip from our side.
Kaizen!
Regards,
Parashar
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Joel Johnson <joe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alok,
Just to add, I think there is some validity in terms of points 1 and 2. I've raised our reasons with SAC, and they'll communicate it with the CP for the required clarifications.
Essentially, it looks like he had a different perspective on how the branding and communications for our events was to be done. While we have taken the inspiration from the Vista website, it looks like he may not be aware of how this is done. We will take care of ensuring that the CP and the team are on the same page next time onwards.
Also, I'm quite sure that our team is proud of what we've accomplished. I personally feel no pain from his reply, and I feel most of us also think the same way. I find his wording written with less criticism than he could have. What I do take away from this is that we have to ensure the awareness of the CP in the decisions we take with the reasons for them. Granted that they will add more delay in the proceedings and planning, but it will help us go a long way in understanding the view of one of the most important stakeholders in the PGSEM programme. He is, after all, amongst the one permanent pillars in the PGSEM programme with a long term view and experience in the ways of the institute.
I must say that I'm proud to have worked on such an event with you and the team. For the most higlighted parts, the mistakes made were unintentional, and we'll make sure this doesnt happen again.
Thanx,
Joel.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Alok Shukla <alok.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another comment from Nimish Gupta of McAfee
. " the conclave yesterday was excellent definitely worth attending and participating in
Thanks to Alok for dragging us in!"
From Jayant Thakre of Subex
"I must say you guys did a fabulous job in terms of organizing today's IPMC event. The event was managed very professionally. I know how much hard work organizers put into such events so I want to make sure your effort doesn't go underappreciated. Please let your team know that how much we valued their effort.
Kudos to your entire team!"
Alok
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:01 AM, Alok Shukla <alok.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry Guys,
In spite I having a 30 minutes session with Professor Agrawal on Sunday encouraging him not to do so, he still sent out the email. I had asked him to please work with SAC to clear his misgivings as most of them are baseless, however he chose to write his unfounded, unverified misgivings in public. We all know that apart from point number 3 which may have been a impression that might have been caused however incorrectly so, rest of them are clearly unsubstantiated statements.
Guys, I do not want any one of you to feel demoralized, because apart from him NO ONE and I say NO ONE has nothing but extremely good things to say about the team and the conclave. I think the best way to counter this argument is present facts as they are.
This is what Mr. Ram and Mr. Ravi said about the conference.
From Ravi Padaki - Yahoo - "Alok, great job on the event. Great panels. Well attended and received."
From Mr. Ram Narayanan, VP product management at Yahoo "Thanks for having all of us at the event yesterday it was an enjoyable experience and hope to see it grow further. I am adding the others from Yahoo who were there as well to provide their inputs. I look forward to seeing this effort take wings"
Thanks,
Alok Shukla
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From: Alok Shukla <alok.s...@iimb.ernet.in>
Date: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 1:24 AM
Subject: FW: Product-Manager Conclave
To: alok.k...@gmail.com
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From: Agrawal N M
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 1:23:43 AM
To: @PGSEM2008; @PGSEM2009; @PGSEM2010
Cc: Ramananjappa K R; Supriya Dey
Subject: Product-Manager Conclave
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Dear All
I am writing to share my concerns and feedbacks with respect to Product-Manger Conclave conducted on last Sunday by PGSEM participants.
On the face of it, the conference was a great success with 300 participants. However, I will like you to kindly examine the following and ensure that it is not repeated in any future initiatives by PGSEM Participants or PGSEM-SAC committee:
1. I was surprised to notice IIMB logo along with Adaptive Technology logo at the top of the banner in the auditorium as well as at the gate. It creates an impression as if Adaptive Technology was an equal partner in organizing the conference. To my knowledge, Adaptive Technology was not an organizing partner. It was only one of the sponsors for the conference. It should have been rightfully placed along with Yahoo and Macfee the other two sponsors for the conference.
2. While the conference was organized by PGSEM participants, there was no mention about PGSEM either on the folder or on the banners.
3. Mr. Pinkesh Shah was disproportionately give much higher coverage in a half-a-day programme which was not warranted.
4. During my meeting with SAC members who had come to meet me, I had specifically mentioned that we should provide enough time for projecting the projects done by PGSEM participants. The coverage was minimal and literally at the end of the programme.
5. It also looks that many of the facilities were being managed by Mr. Pinkesh and his group. While at 1.10 p.m. I came out of the conference, he told me to wait for a few minutes so that the cameraman can record my video feed back about the programme. I was taken aback. I wondered whether it was our programme or of Adaptive Technology.
I am writing such a detailed note because I am very pained and feel very bad about what ever happened. In my meeting with the organizing members who had met me about a month before, I had explained what should be the focus of the conference and in-spite of that it was not managed properly.
I will like the PGSEM Participants and SAC committee to take lessons from the exercise and ensure that such gross mistakes are not repeated.
With best wishes and remembrance,
Narendra M Agrawal
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Narendra M Agrawal
Professor, Leadership and Human Resource Management
Chairperson, Center for Software and IT Management and PGSEM
Indian Institute of Management Bangalore
Bannerghatta Road, Bangalore 560076
Phone: 00-91-80-2699 3037 (office); 2699 3161 (Residence); 974 222 1301 (Mobile)
e-mail: agr...@iimb.ernet.in
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Parashar Shah
PGSEM and Research Associate, IIM Bangalore
Co-founder, vRideAlong.com
Lead Engineer, Alcatel-Lucent
Mobile:- +91-9945607432
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Joel Johnson
Alok Shukla
Alok Shukla
India
Joel Johnson
Rakshmi Bhatia
Should we ask about Compering, Delays/Coordination, other logistics like their experience from Gate till Audi?, Parking etc too?
This will help us in figuring out if we did justice with communication & coordination part as well or not.
One more suggestion, can we place text boxes for each point saying "Comments if any". So that we come to know about problem is each area. (Should not be a mandatory field to fill)
When we'll give one common box, we need to recategorize them.
Also should the ratings be from 1 to 7 (or 1 to 5) instead of 1 to 4?
Regards
Rakshmi
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Alok Shukla
Alok Shukla
India
Karthik Raman Naig
Regards,
Karthik
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From: india-product-m...@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alok Shukla
Sent: Wed 9/22/2010 9:48 AM
To: india-product-m...@googlegroups.com
Joel Johnson
Rakshmi Bhatia
Not an issue. Couple of people had feedback about coordination, registration, compering etc too.
I think they can use a common box provided.
Regards
Rakshmi
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From: india-product-m...@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joel Johnson