Keeping table rows together

[Pat Bensky]

Using CS 5 ... Is there some way to specify "keep" options for table rows? I don't want to have any widowed or orphaned rows but I can't find a way to prevent them ...

Pat

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[Caleb Clauset]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Pat Bensky wrote:

> Using CS 5 ... Is there some way to specify "keep" options for table rows? I don't want to have any widowed or orphaned rows but I can't find a way to prevent them …

Select the desired row, then go to Table > Cell Options > Rows and Columns > Keep Options

[Michael Brady]

On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Pat Bensky wrote:

> Using CS 5 ... Is there some way to specify "keep" options for table rows? I don't want to have any widowed or orphaned rows but I can't find a way to prevent them ...

What do you mean, "orphaned rows"? Do you mean you want to avoid leaving one row on the bottom or top of a page? Or that a row will be broken so that the text in one or two cells will leave orphans? If the firs, as Caleb recommends, use the Table settings. Also, you can select the paragraph that the table occupies and set the Keep settings for it (no break, for example).

As for the second type of orphan (lines in a single cell that are stranded), this won't happen. ID does not permit a single row of a table to be divided (unlike Word), so you don't have to worry about that occurring.

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[Andrew Brown]

On 3 Mar 2011, at 17:56, Michael Brady wrote:

> As for the second type of orphan (lines in a single cell that are
> stranded), this won't happen. ID does not permit a single row of a
> table to be divided (unlike Word), so you don't have to worry about
> that occurring.

Very true, but we have to worry about it not occurring. The ability to
break table cells is close to the top of my list of desirable ID
features.

AB

[Pat Bensky]

Hi Caleb,
Sorry, I should have been more specific ... what I need to do is set this as a parameter in a table style, not as an option for a specific row. 'Cos what happens when the text reflows?

Pat

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[Pat Bensky]

Hi Michael,

On 3 March 2011 16:56, Michael Brady <mich...@michaelbradydesign.com> wrote:

On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Pat Bensky wrote:

> Using CS 5 ... Is there some way to specify "keep" options for table rows? I don't want to have any widowed or orphaned rows but I can't find a way to prevent them ...

What do you mean, "orphaned rows"? Do you mean you want to avoid leaving one row on the bottom or top of a page?

Yes, that's what I mean.
 

Or that a row will be broken so that the text in one or two cells will leave orphans? If the firs, as Caleb recommends, use the Table settings.

But you can't set it as an option in a table style.
 

Also, you can select the paragraph that the table occupies and set the Keep settings for it (no break, for example).

I tried that but it doesn't seem to work. I still get orphaned rows, although I've set the Keep options for the containing paragraph to  "Keep lines together" with 3 for both start and end of paragraph.

Pat

[Caleb Clauset]

Would be nice, but can't be done via a table style. Your only option would be writing a script that analyses your tables and toggles these options OFF/ON depending on your criteria.

On Mar 3, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Pat Bensky wrote:

Sorry, I should have been more specific ... what I need to do is set this as a parameter in a table style, not as an option for a specific row. 'Cos what happens when the text reflows?

On 3 March 2011 16:47, Caleb Clauset <ca...@2cdesign.org> wrote:

[Natalie Cockrill]

I know this is an old post but I have the answer just in case anyone comes looking.....
Nest the table in which you want to keep all the rows together within another table of only 1 cell (1 row and 1 column).
InDesign will only see it as one row and keep all your nested content together!
Ta-dah! Sorted. Hope this helps :-)

[Bret Perry]

Very clever!

 

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[Andrew Brown]

On 23 sept. 2014, at 15:59, Natalie Cockrill <natalie....@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know this is an old post but I have the answer just in case anyone comes looking.....
> Nest the table in which you want to keep all the rows together within another table of only 1 cell (1 row and 1 column).
> InDesign will only see it as one row and keep all your nested content together!

Excellent! But how do you get footnotes on a table ? — AB

[Michael Brady]

Andrew

Excellent! But how do you get footnotes on a table ? -- AB

Set them as text. Until ID comes up with separate FNs for tables (which even MSW does not do), I do it this way:

First, I cut them from the text as autonumbered FNs and then I paste them into the last cell of the table or in the paragraph following the table. If the table runs onto a second page, I designate one row at the bottom as a repeating footer and put "Table contiunes ➔" in it. In that case, I put the FNs in the next paragraph after the table. 

I follow the traditional practice of setting FNs in a table with letters, not numbers, so that the reader does not confuse FN 3 in a table with FN 3 on the page, and also because many tables contain numerical data, so there is a low possibility of confusing a FN number with a data number.

On the matter of not dividing a table across a frame break, I do it one of two ways: 

1. I create a style for the paragraph that contains the table and I set the Keep Options for that style to "Keep all lines together." 

2. I also apply "Keep with next row" attribute to the rows, as in this screen shot:

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[Michel Raj]

Clean and clever.

<Keep_with_next_row.png>

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