Text wrap ­ unwanted offset

[Thomas Olbrich]

Is it normal or do I miss use text wrap? I want to wrap text around a circle, it appears that the wrapping around the lower circle half gets done with an unwanted offset (whereas the upper circle half wraps correct). In the attached screenshot the red areas mark the unwanted offset. Its gets encreased with larger font size.

Any hints to avoid the offset and make the wrapping form a circle not an oval?

Thanks, 

- thomas

[William Adams]

On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Thomas Olbrich wrote:

> Is it normal or do I miss use text wrap? I want to wrap text around a circle, it appears that the wrapping around the lower circle half gets done with an unwanted offset (whereas the upper circle half wraps correct). In the attached screenshot the red areas mark the unwanted offset. Its gets encreased with larger font size.
>
> Any hints to avoid the offset and make the wrapping form a circle not an oval?

In theory one could set the leading of the characters close to the circle to a smaller value, even zero, but that doesn't work --- the problem is InDesign groks the character shape / vertical extent for the em-square of the font and doesn't take individual character heights into account (check this by setting the vertical scaling of a paragraph to 10% --- the line breaks won't change against the circle).

I've always wound up fixing such by duping the object which controls the run-around and re-shaping it to get the text shape which I want, or duping it and combining the duplicate w/ the text box to make a compound path and editing that.

William


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[Dick Margulis]

On 12/20/2013 9:34 AM, William Adams wrote:
> I've always wound up fixing such by duping the object which controls
> the run-around and re-shaping it to get the text shape which I want,
> or duping it and combining the duplicate w/ the text box to make a
> compound path and editing that. William

Too much work. Just use the pen+ tool to add points to the wrap line and
adjust it directly.

[Michael Brady]

Thomas

> Any hints to avoid the offset and make the wrapping form a circle not an oval?

Part of the "oval" is caused by the fact that all of the letters that end the lines are lowercase, which leaves a small amount of white at the top of the line. The text wrap acts on the rectangle occupied by the glyphs, measured from up from the baseline. The lines above the circle appear in the correct position because the glyph extends to or near the lower corner (formed by the baseline and right or left side) and touches the offset boundary. In the lines below the circle, the lowercase letters do not fill the rectangle up to the upper corner, which touches the boundary, and thus seem not to be correctly positioned.



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Michael Brady

[Thomas Olbrich]

Thanks for the quick answers.
@ William, Dick, I am aware of the workarounds you described (whereas
Williams method usually is my prefered, too because its mire
flexible/allows to alter the form with black cursor).
@ Michael, the influence of the glyphs extends is very small (see
screenshot attached). Also, why isn't such influence in the upper circle
half (see green markers in the screenshot?

However, I did not misuse the tool, so I do live with the workaround so
far.

- thomas

Am 20.12.13 16:19 schrieb "Michael Brady" unter
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[Kathleen]

Thomas, Dick, William, Michael,

You guys are sooo smart. Thanks for the how-tos.

Kat
McGraphics Design, Inc.
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http://www.mcgraphics.us

[Chris Works]

I just discovered this little issue myself.  I can't believe it's taken me this long to spot it.  But as you can see in this screenshot.  The 2nd half of the text box is wrapping perfectly while the top half is offset.  I'm using InDesign CC and I keep it current on updates.

I've done what you guys were talking about with just editing the path to make it work or creating a new textbox and editing that to the shape I want.  But it just seems like there must be something I'm missing to make this working like it's supposed to.

Thanks,

Chris

[Nini Tjäder]

Looks like the rows in the first paragraph is justifying according to space between words instead of the beginning of the words. Check the number of spaces between the words and also what justification you have for the paragraph (should be left-justified). Turn on the invisibles to see how many spaces there are between words. Just guessing here.

On 19 feb 2014, at 22:25, Chris Works <caw...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just discovered this little issue myself.  I can't believe it's taken me this long to spot it.  But as you can see in this screenshot.  The 2nd half of the text box is wrapping perfectly while the top half is offset.  I'm using InDesign CC and I keep it current on updates.

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