Creative Cloud

[Jane_Edwards]

Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?

~ Jane

[C F Majors]

Same question here. 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Jane_Edwards wrote:

Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?

~ Jane

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[vshepherd]

Seriously debating the Cloud - think its $29 a month for first year. Worth a try.
Vicki

On May 23, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Jane_Edwards wrote:

> Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?
>
> ~ Jane
>

[Yanchak, James]

I did a straight upgrade for my personal copy. So far InDesign CS6 is much, much, much better than CS5.5.

My workplace is looking at the cloud to simplify the tracking of licensing by IT.  Three departments with different needs, it makes sense, even if it is pricey.

James

On 5/23/12 10:36 AM, "C F Majors" <cfma...@gmail.com> wrote:

Same question here. 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Jane_Edwards  wrote:

Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?

~ Jane

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[Phil Frank]

I’m not going to Creative Cloud, not now anyway. I can upgrade Design Standard for $275, but the Cloud will cost me $600 per year, unless my numbers are wrong.

[vshepherd]

That sounds right. Think the idea of Cloud is that if you need to get into After Effects (or some of the various other programs) and use the Design Premium - then you save some money by using Cloud.  

On May 23, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Phil Frank wrote:

I’m not going to Creative Cloud, not now anyway. I can upgrade Design Standard for $275, but the Cloud will cost me $600 per year, unless my numbers are wrong.

 

From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of C F Majors
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Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

Same question here. 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Jane_Edwards wrote:

Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?

~ Jane

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[Bob Levine]

First year would be $360. Intro pricing until Aug 31.

Also keep in mind that there will be no skipping versions anymore. The only upgrades will be available to current users. IOW, when CS7 comes out, only CS6 users will get upgrade pricing.

You can get details on intro pricing here: http://bit.ly/nR8mSm

Bob

[Michel Raj]

61.49 € (tax included) in Belgium or France !!!
That's far from your 29$ !
Once again, the currency change at Adobe is... "special".

Michel

[Karol Keane]

I think this is a really important conversation and I'm glad we're having it.  My issue with the Cloud is that I own a small business and only really use Indesign and Photoshop-I don't need all the other programs-especially with the improvements/updates they're making to Indesign.  I find the cost involved with joining to be very high regardless of whether it's $360 or $600.  When I attended the DC Indesign Users group meeting for the launch of CS6 I asked if you could just upgrade the Indesign on the Cloud and was told no, it's everything or nothing.  

Regardless of what it costs this year-everyone is looking at $600. next year and every year after that.  Does anyone else think this is a little out of line?  

Best,

Karol Keane

Keanedesign.com

[Bob Levine]

Nobody is saying CC is for everyone and in your case maybe it's not for you.

But...for a very large portion of the user base it's a great deal. You get upgrades automatically as well as new features between releases (keep in mind Adobe has announced a new 12 month upgrade cycle). Additionally, CC is crossplatform...you get one license with two installs but you can choose Mac and Windows while the purchased versions don't allow that. And you get every application. There won't be a case where you say, "I wish I had the new version Illustrator right now."

$600 a year for all of that, as well as Muse, Edge and unlimited DPS Single Edition apps? That's a bargain in my book.

Bob

On 5/23/2012 12:07 PM, Karol Keane wrote:

I think this is a really important conversation and I'm glad we're having it. �My issue with the Cloud is that I own a small business and only really use Indesign and Photoshop-I don't need all the other programs-especially with the improvements/updates they're making to Indesign. �I find the cost involved with joining to be very high regardless of whether it's $360 or $600. �When I attended the DC Indesign Users group meeting for the launch of CS6 I asked if you could just upgrade the Indesign on the Cloud and was told no, it's everything or nothing. �

Regardless of what it costs this year-everyone is looking at $600. next year and every year after that. �Does anyone else think this is a little out of line? �

Best,

Karol Keane

Keanedesign.com

On May 23, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Bob Levine wrote:

First year would be $360. Intro pricing until Aug 31.

Also keep in mind that there will be no skipping versions anymore. The only upgrades will be available to current users. IOW, when CS7 comes out, only CS6 users will get upgrade pricing.

You can get details on intro pricing here: http://bit.ly/nR8mSm

Bob

On 5/23/2012 10:49 AM, Phil Frank wrote:

I�m not going to Creative Cloud, not now anyway. I can upgrade Design Standard for $275, but the Cloud will cost me $600 per year, unless my numbers are wrong.

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Same question here.�

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Jane_Edwards wrote:

Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?

~ Jane

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[Bevi | PubCom]

We'll keep our regular licenses upgraded (8 total) but will consider CC for
additional licenses.
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[C F Majors]

DPS would definately be the biggest benefit. 

I missed ths 5.5 upgrade window, so my premium upgrade is 745. Or to downgrade to design standard for 545, or try the CC for a year for 360, and then 600, or upgrade the whole thing then and leave the cloud, at least knowing what programs I need. 

Do not want to miss ths upgrade window for cs5 tho. they got me in the quandary. . 

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[Peter Truskier]

Another thing about Creative Cloud that I've been impressed with is the elegance of the installation and update process. It really works well with minimal user input and hassle. 

When I first logged in, I was presented with all the apps for which I could choose. I selected several, pressed "Install," authenticated as an administrator, and then went about my work without further interruption. Each application installer was downloaded. one at a time. As soon as one was fully downloaded, it installed the app while the next installer began to download.

I later decided to download a couple of more applications, and the process was similarly flawless. Updates have been easy as well. The installer and Adobe Application Manager teams are to be congratulated for having done a really good job.

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On May 23, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Bob Levine wrote:

Nobody is saying CC is for everyone and in your case maybe it's not for you.

But...for a very large portion of the user base it's a great deal. You get upgrades automatically as well as new features between releases (keep in mind Adobe has announced a new 12 month upgrade cycle). Additionally, CC is crossplatform...you get one license with two installs but you can choose Mac and Windows while the purchased versions don't allow that. And you get every application. There won't be a case where you say, "I wish I had the new version Illustrator right now."

$600 a year for all of that, as well as Muse, Edge and unlimited DPS Single Edition apps? That's a bargain in my book.

Bob

On 5/23/2012 12:07 PM, Karol Keane wrote:

I think this is a really important conversation and I'm glad we're having it.  My issue with the Cloud is that I own a small business and only really use Indesign and Photoshop-I don't need all the other programs-especially with the improvements/updates they're making to Indesign.  I find the cost involved with joining to be very high regardless of whether it's $360 or $600.  When I attended the DC Indesign Users group meeting for the launch of CS6 I asked if you could just upgrade the Indesign on the Cloud and was told no, it's everything or nothing.  

Regardless of what it costs this year-everyone is looking at $600. next year and every year after that.  Does anyone else think this is a little out of line?  

Best,

Karol Keane

Keanedesign.com

On May 23, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Bob Levine wrote:

First year would be $360. Intro pricing until Aug 31.

Also keep in mind that there will be no skipping versions anymore. The only upgrades will be available to current users. IOW, when CS7 comes out, only CS6 users will get upgrade pricing.

You can get details on intro pricing here: http://bit.ly/nR8mSm

Bob

On 5/23/2012 10:49 AM, Phil Frank wrote:

I’m not going to Creative Cloud, not now anyway. I can upgrade Design Standard for $275, but the Cloud will cost me $600 per year, unless my numbers are wrong.

 

From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of C F Majors
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:36 AM
To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

Same question here. 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Jane_Edwards wrote:

Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?

~ Jane

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[Heather White]

I agree with Karol. We’ve got 5 licenses for a mix of Design and Design Premium. We use InDesign and Photoshop daily. Illustrator weekly, and Dreamweaver weekly. I don’t know if the cloud will benefit us.

 

I really don’t need the other programs, and we didn’t upgrade to CS5.5 (we’re on 5). I need to do some more research to see what our actual costs will be. I guess with the subscription, at least your costs are fixed… Instead of not knowing when you’re going to have to shell out a ton of cash for upgrades.

 

But, I really hate subscriptions too. I want to pay for something and then own it. (buy versus lease; own versus rent)

 

There’s also the cost of the time and training of learning new products all the time. Yes, it’s important, but it’s draining. And if you’re paying for the entire cloud, are you also going to feel like you need to take advantage of as many programs as possible?

 

I consider myself a high-intermediate user of InDesign, but I know there’s still features that I don’t use that could benefit me. I’m sure I’ll feel like I’m not taking full advantage of my cloud subscription.

 

And the price can (and will) just keep going up. Once you’re on the cloud, can you switch back to a regular product for the next release?

 

-h

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Heather,

 

Some answers and comments:

 

(1)          The Creative Cloud subscriptions may or may not benefit you. It depends upon your exact circumstances. Adobe has not discontinued the “perpetual license” sales of the products including the individual programs as well as the various flavors of the Creative Suite. The choice is yours.

 

(2)          To be very clear about this, you don’t own anything other than a license when you “buy” the Creative Suite or any of its component programs. You own a “perpetual license” for the particular version you license for use on the exact platforms that the software is certified on at the time you buy the license.

 

(3)          I know there is something “comfy” about knowing that you are “paid up” and don’t have to shell out extra money until (or if) you need to upgrade for either new functionality and/or platform compatibility. On the other hand, the subscription model does yield a very predictable situation in terms of expense and your ability to get support for either the latest released features and/or platform support. The subscription doesn’t force you to new versions of one or another of the component products until or if you are ready for same, but the new versions are available to you as soon as you are ready for them after they are released. Note that over the years, a number of our customers complain that with the ongoing costs of upgrades either for new features and/or platform support, they felt like they were effectively renting the software. Well, if that is the perception, maybe a subscription model that matches that reality makes sense, but with a reliable, budgetable, fixed monthly cost.

 

(4)          To answer your specific question, just as once you upgrade from one or more individual CS products to one or another of the Creative Suites, once you convert from one or another of the Creative Suites to the Creative Cloud, there is no discounted return to either the perpetual license Creative Suites or any of the component products. If you would want to pursue that route, you would need to “buy” a new copy of such software.

 

                - Dov

 

 

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[SP Clark]

My angst comes from fear of being "locked out" despite having purchased licenses for early P'shop & AI since 1992 up thru successive upgrades to CS4 & Acrobat Pro.

Made a good living working for others while paying for the licenses on my own, then became unemployed at end of 2009.

I still use the software I've paid to use, frequently in the course of looking for new employment. Continuing to look for new work makes apparent the need to keep up w/ current versions while at the same time my cash flow remains severely impacted.

Will Adobe see fit to "disable" activation for my most current suite of apps at some point when it becomes obvious I've not chosen an upgrade path, Cloud or not? Will my "investment" suddenly become worthless because I cannot currently afford to 'subscribe'?

[SP Clark]

As always, thanks Dov!

You posted your comments while I was drafting mine; the perpetual license is reassuring.

SP Clark, CPhT
Algonquin, IL

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[Evans, Rebecca]

One benefit of the old-style license is that you can hold on to old software in case you need to make alterations to a legacy file. Assuming you have a computer the software will run on, of course. I've kept a couple of old hard drives just in case, and have versions back to CS3 installed. Later versions of a program often can open files created with earlier versions, but there must be a limit to how far back you can reach. Is there any discussion about how far back Cloud versions will, or should, be able to open legacy files? 

______________________________________

Rebecca Evans

Senior Designer/Compositor

The University of North Carolina Press

[Dov Isaacs]

No, Adobe will absolutely honor your “perpetual” licenses to existing products and will not attempt in any way to “disable activation” of same.

 

                - Dov

 

 

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From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SP Clark
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:25 AM
To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

My angst comes from fear of being "locked out" despite having purchased licenses for early P'shop & AI since 1992 up thru successive upgrades to CS4 & Acrobat Pro.

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[Dov Isaacs]

The Creative Cloud subscription does not force you to uninstall or not use previous versions of software, whether they were point products, parts of the Creative Suite, or delivered as part of the Creative Cloud. For example, you will be able to keep CS6 versions of applications installed when CS7 versions become available and when you download and install same.

 

                - Dov

 

 

	Dov Isaacs Principal Scientist Adobe Systems Incorporated +1 408.536.2896 (tel) +1 408.242.5161 (cell) isa...@adobe.com 345 Park Avenue San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA http://www.adobe.com

 

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From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evans, Rebecca
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:52 AM
To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

One benefit of the old-style license is that you can hold on to old software in case you need to make alterations to a legacy file. Assuming you have a computer the software will run on, of course. I've kept a couple of old hard drives just in case, and have versions back to CS3 installed. Later versions of a program often can open files created with earlier versions, but there must be a limit to how far back you can reach. Is there any discussion about how far back Cloud versions will, or should, be able to open legacy files? 

[Michel Raj]

If you stop paying the Creative Cloud (CC), I believe the applications are blocked.

So, let's say I pay the CC for three years, because I'm in business, and then I retire, and still want to use my applications, without taking upgrades, I'll be with nothing. No ?

Michel

Le 23 mai 2012 à 20:19, Dov Isaacs a écrit :

The Creative Cloud subscription does not force you to uninstall or not use previous versions of software, whether they were point products, parts of the Creative Suite, or delivered as part of the Creative Cloud. For example, you will be able to keep CS6 versions of applications installed when CS7 versions become available and when you download and install same.

 

                - Dov

 

 

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From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Evans, Rebecca
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:52 AM
To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

One benefit of the old-style license is that you can hold on to old software in case you need to make alterations to a legacy file. Assuming you have a computer the software will run on, of course. I've kept a couple of old hard drives just in case, and have versions back to CS3 installed. Later versions of a program often can open files created with earlier versions, but there must be a limit to how far back you can reach. Is there any discussion about how far back Cloud versions will, or should, be able to open legacy files? 

______________________________________

 

Rebecca Evans

Senior Designer/Compositor

The University of North Carolina Press

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[Dov Isaacs]

Any applications that you acquire via Creative Cloud membership are indeed deactivated when you discontinue your subscription and likewise, reactivated if you resubscribe. It is a month-to-month subscription, not a perpetual license.

 

                - Dov

 

 

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[vshepherd]

While we are on this topic Dov - can you direct me to the easiest way to find out how much the cost of cloud would be for say 50 comm college computers? My first time being part of the conversation and some of the lingo on Adobe was unfamiliar. Need to work up costs.

Trying to see if this is the way we should go (Cloud vs upgrade).

Thanks in advance for your help.

Vicki

On May 23, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote:

Heather,

 

Some answers and comments:

 

(1)          The Creative Cloud subscriptions may or may not benefit you. It depends upon your exact circumstances. Adobe has not discontinued the “perpetual license” sales of the products including the individual programs as well as the various flavors of the Creative Suite. The choice is yours.

 

(2)          To be very clear about this, you don’t own anything other than a license when you “buy” the Creative Suite or any of its component programs. You own a “perpetual license” for the particular version you license for use on the exact platforms that the software is certified on at the time you buy the license.

 

(3)          I know there is something “comfy” about knowing that you are “paid up” and don’t have to shell out extra money until (or if) you need to upgrade for either new functionality and/or platform compatibility. On the other hand, the subscription model does yield a very predictable situation in terms of expense and your ability to get support for either the latest released features and/or platform support. The subscription doesn’t force you to new versions of one or another of the component products until or if you are ready for same, but the new versions are available to you as soon as you are ready for them after they are released. Note that over the years, a number of our customers complain that with the ongoing costs of upgrades either for new features and/or platform support, they felt like they were effectively renting the software. Well, if that is the perception, maybe a subscription model that matches that reality makes sense, but with a reliable, budgetable, fixed monthly cost.

 

(4)          To answer your specific question, just as once you upgrade from one or more individual CS products to one or another of the Creative Suites, once you convert from one or another of the Creative Suites to the Creative Cloud, there is no discounted return to either the perpetual license Creative Suites or any of the component products. If you would want to pursue that route, you would need to “buy” a new copy of such software.

 

                - Dov

 

 

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From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Heather White
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:51 AM
To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

I agree with Karol. We’ve got 5 licenses for a mix of Design and Design Premium. We use InDesign and Photoshop daily. Illustrator weekly, and Dreamweaver weekly. I don’t know if the cloud will benefit us.

 

I really don’t need the other programs, and we didn’t upgrade to CS5.5 (we’re on 5). I need to do some more research to see what our actual costs will be. I guess with the subscription, at least your costs are fixed… Instead of not knowing when you’re going to have to shell out a ton of cash for upgrades.

 

But, I really hate subscriptions too. I want to pay for something and then own it. (buy versus lease; own versus rent)

 

There’s also the cost of the time and training of learning new products all the time. Yes, it’s important, but it’s draining. And if you’re paying for the entire cloud, are you also going to feel like you need to take advantage of as many programs as possible?

 

I consider myself a high-intermediate user of InDesign, but I know there’s still features that I don’t use that could benefit me. I’m sure I’ll feel like I’m not taking full advantage of my cloud subscription.

 

And the price can (and will) just keep going up. Once you’re on the cloud, can you switch back to a regular product for the next release?

 

-h

 

[Dave Dennis]

I have to agree, it is a good deal for me. I'm still on Design CS3 and to be able to go to CS6 for only $29.99 a month for the first year is great for me. Plus all of the extras you gain, along with the future upgrades and all of the other Adobe applications you can use, it just works for me.

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On May 23, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Bob Levine wrote:

Nobody is saying CC is for everyone and in your case maybe it's not for you.

But...for a very large portion of the user base it's a great deal. You get upgrades automatically as well as new features between releases (keep in mind Adobe has announced a new 12 month upgrade cycle). Additionally, CC is crossplatform...you get one license with two installs but you can choose Mac and Windows while the purchased versions don't allow that. And you get every application. There won't be a case where you say, "I wish I had the new version Illustrator right now."

$600 a year for all of that, as well as Muse, Edge and unlimited DPS Single Edition apps? That's a bargain in my book.

Bob

On 5/23/2012 12:07 PM, Karol Keane wrote:

> I think this is a really important conversation and I'm glad we're having it. My issue with the Cloud is that I own a small business and only really use Indesign and Photoshop-I don't need all the other programs-especially with the improvements/updates they're making to Indesign. I find the cost involved with joining to be very high regardless of whether it's $360 or $600. When I attended the DC Indesign Users group meeting for the launch of CS6 I asked if you could just upgrade the Indesign on the Cloud and was told no, it's everything or nothing.
>
> Regardless of what it costs this year-everyone is looking at $600. next year and every year after that. Does anyone else think this is a little out of line?

>
> Best,
> Karol Keane
> Keanedesign.com
>
>
> On May 23, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Bob Levine wrote:
>
>> First year would be $360. Intro pricing until Aug 31.
>>
>> Also keep in mind that there will be no skipping versions anymore. The only upgrades will be available to current users. IOW, when CS7 comes out, only CS6 users will get upgrade pricing.
>>
>> You can get details on intro pricing here: http://bit.ly/nR8mSm
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 5/23/2012 10:49 AM, Phil Frank wrote:

>>> I’m not going to Creative Cloud, not now anyway. I can upgrade Design Standard for $275, but the Cloud will cost me $600 per year, unless my numbers are wrong.

>>>
>>> From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of C F Majors
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:36 AM
>>> To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud
>>>

>>> Same question here.

>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012, Jane_Edwards wrote:
>>> Is anyone going to Creative Cloud? Or are you doing a regular upgrade to CS6?
>>>
>>> ~ Jane
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[Dov Isaacs]

Vicki,

 

As far as I know, “group” licenses for the Creative Cloud haven’t been enabled yet – that is coming. Nonetheless, you should look at http://www.adobe.com/volume-licensing/education.html where you can find pointers to various resources you can contact directly to discuss volume licensing options, both for existing product packaging and for future Creative Cloud “team” memberships.

 

                - Dov

 

PS:          For answers to other common Creative Cloud issues, you may wish to look at https://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html.

 

 

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From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:indesi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of vshepherd
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:54 AM
To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ID] Creative Cloud

 

While we are on this topic Dov - can you direct me to the easiest way to find out how much the cost of cloud would be for say 50 comm college computers? My first time being part of the conversation and some of the lingo on Adobe was unfamiliar. Need to work up costs.

[C F Majors]

DPS would definately be the biggest benefit. 

I missed ths 5.5 upgrade window, so my premium upgrade is 745. Or to downgrade to design standard for 545, or try the CC for a year for 360, and then 600, or upgrade the whole thing then and leave the cloud, at least knowing what programs I need. 

Do not want to miss ths upgrade window for cs5 tho. they got me in the quandary. . 

[steve harley]

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Peter Truskier
<ptl...@premediasystems.com> wrote:
> Another thing about Creative Cloud that I've been impressed with is the
> elegance of the installation and update process. It really works well with
> minimal user input and hassle.

for me it was not so pleasant; i wrote up my experience here:

<http://steves-tips.tumblr.com/post/23960272731/installing-cs6>

i chose the subscription (i refuse the "cloud" name) simply because
it's the cheapest option for a couple of years at least

[Peter Truskier]

Oy! That sounds pretty bad, Steve. What sort of bandwidth is your internet connection? I notice that you had a lot of trouble with Acrobat which I chose not to installa as I already had Acrobat X installed, so that may have saved me some grief. Acrobat does sometimes seem like it's from a different planet than the other apps…

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Berkeley, CA USA

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[IDEAStraining]

I installed the ACC on four systems (with two separate subscriptions
and separate Adobe IDs):
MacBook Pro
Mac Pro (tower)
WIndows laptop
Windows tower

All went very smoothly--no issues at all.

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

On May 28, 10:19 pm, steve harley <garbanz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Peter Truskier
>

[steve harley]

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Peter Truskier
<ptl...@premediasystems.com> wrote:
> Oy! That sounds pretty bad, Steve. What sort of bandwidth is your internet connection? I notice that you had a lot of trouble with Acrobat which I chose not to installa as I already had Acrobat X installed, so that may have saved me some grief. Acrobat does sometimes seem like it's from a different planet than the other apps…

i get generally between 600 and 1000 KBPS; it used to be better, but
when fiber came to my neighborhood it disrupted copper DSL speeds; i
can switch to fiber if i sell my soul …

i am used to the speed, but AAM would be much improved with just
better progress info and the option to pause (though that would not
forgive the general inscrutability — e.g. what is the purpose of
"All(16)"?)

[Chuck Miller]

As a Social Security recipient, also making a LITTLE design freelance, I have CS4 Premium. Think I can afford the Cloud for the first year. Not sure about year 2 when my freelance may go down and the Cloud cost will roughly double. If I have to cancel, what if any would be the path to open the files from the Cloud apps in CS4 apps? If I know the Cloud is ending, could I save the remaining client's files to XML (or whatever that format is) and open them in CS4 InDesign or Dreamweaver? (With new features missing, I'd assume.)


I also saw something about the Cloud providing hosting for 5 websites. Anyone have a link for more info on that? Would it work to build a small website for a small biz and host it as one of the 5? Income from that might help me pay the Cloud costs?


Chuck M

[Helen W. Lee]

On May 29, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Chuck Miller wrote:

> I also saw something about the Cloud providing hosting for 5 websites. Anyone have a link for more info on that? Would it work to build a small website for a small biz and host it as one of the 5? Income from that might help me pay the Cloud costs?

As one of the many people who are upset at the loss of the MobileMe Gallery feature, I wouldn't trust Adobe to keep the website hosting going indefinitely.

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[Bret Perry]

On 5/29/12 6:16 PM, "Chuck Miller" <chuck...@new.rr.com> wrote:

>As a Social Security recipient, also making a LITTLE design freelance, I
>have CS4 Premium. Think I can afford the Cloud for the first year. Not
>sure about year 2 when my freelance may go down and the Cloud cost will
>roughly double. If I have to cancel, what if any would be the path to
>open the files from the Cloud apps in CS4 apps? If I know the Cloud is
>ending, could I save the remaining client's files to XML (or whatever
>that format is) and open them in CS4 InDesign or Dreamweaver? (With new
>features missing, I'd assume.

Since no one else seems to have replied about Cloud + CS4, I'll put in my
2 cents.
I don't have CS6 yet, but if it follows all the other versions, you will
only be able to save down one full version (I.e. From CS6 to CS5 IDML
(IDML)

Then you would need CS5 to save the CS5 IDML down to CS4 IDML. If CS7 came
out, you'd need to keep CS6 around (which is allowed IF you keep paying
for Adobe Cloud).
So if you don't have CS5 or 5.5, you'll have to depend on someone who does
to convert down to CS4.

>I also saw something about the Cloud providing hosting for 5 websites.
>Anyone have a link for more info on that? Would it work to build a small
>website for a small biz and host it as one of the 5? Income from that
>might help me pay the Cloud costs?

Helen has a good point -- but if you want to trust Adobe, a small website
for a small biz is just what it was made for.

Bret Perry
Studio IT Manager/Production Artist
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CS6 IDML export will open in CS4 and later.

Bob

[Bret Perry]

Wow. Thanks. That's excellent. Doh, I am so glad I was wrong!

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[Alan Gilbertson]

A note about the 5 free websites.

These are "Basic" sites, good for something like a portfolio or a
microsite where there's no eCommerce involved, but nothing more. They
don't have most of the features you'll see demoed in the new videos,
like product catalogs, any kind of customer sign-in, etc.. I made very
noisy noise on their site about that, because what the videos show, vs.
what you actually get if you set up a site from Dreamweaver using only
an Adobe ID and Cloud account, are quite different.

Those are available in BC partner demonstration sites when you sign up
as a BC partner (can be free), but the ones that come with Cloud
membership are basic indeed as far as BC features are concerned. That
said, anything you can do in Muse or regular HTML/CSS will work fine.

Alan