Saved old version of redone file

[Tom Reid]

any way to retrieve changes to a file after i told it to not save the changes? CS5 ID

 

Tom Reid
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[Bob Levine]

No.

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[Dick Margulis]

On 6/2/2012 9:03 PM, Bob Levine wrote:
> No.
>
> On 6/2/2012 6:27 PM, Tom Reid wrote:
>> any way to retrieve changes to a file after i told it to not save the
>> changes? CS5 ID

I'm pretty sure Bob is correct regarding ID, but there is some hope.
Office 2010 now includes a feature that lets you do exactly what Tom
asked about (with Word and PowerPoint files, at least--haven't checked
other applications). In fact if you close a file without saving, the
next time you open that file, Office asks you if you want to retrieve
the unsaved version.

It's a pretty neat feature, because a lot of people inadvertently close
files without saving, at least once in a while.

Maybe Adobe, in some future release, will incorporate a similar feature.
We can hope anyway.

Dick

[Lynette Hampson]

I just got a terabyte that backs up files as I go. Works for me. LH

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[Mindy]

From within indesign no. But if you're on a Mac and you have time machine you can go back to the time before you altered the file and restore it.  

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[Roy McCoy]

Tom R. wrote:

any way to retrieve changes to a file after i told it to not save

the changes? CS5 ID

Bob's "No" was a confirmation of what I would have said, and I'm not

immediately sure Dick's Microsoft feature wouldn't be accompanied by

the occasional problem of saying you want the changes when in fact

you don't - though maybe you can close without saving changes in that

event.

Lynette:

I just got a terabyte that backs up files as I go.

Even when they're not saved?

Mindy:

[...] if you're on a Mac and you have time machine you can go back

to the time before you altered the file and restore it.

But he wants the new changes. I'm interested by these last two

suggestions, though I'm not sure a backup can help in such a case or

how often it will in practice if it can, considering that Time Machine

doesn't back up continually but only at hourly intervals. If it backed

up an unsaved version a half hour ago, for example, you still wouldn't

have the last half-hour's changes.

But can you actually retrieve that unsaved version from a half hour ago

(or whenever), and if so how?

Thanks,

Roy

[Bob Levine]

There is nothing out there that can recover a file that wasn't saved. Yes, if you made intermittent saves you could go back and find one of them. Even Dropbox offers this.

But for a file that wasn't saved and was closed. Those changes are toast.

Bob

[Roy McCoy]

Bob L. wrote:

> There is nothing out there that can recover a file that wasn't saved. Yes, if you made intermittent saves you could go back and find one of them. Even Dropbox offers this.
>
> But for a file that wasn't saved and was closed. Those changes are toast.

Yes, but if ID crashes you still have the last... autosave, I'd guess you call it. That's in a file somewhere and I remember someone here's saying where at some point. If you close the file without saving then yes, I suppose you lose this autosave file and immediately. But couldn't there still be one in a Time Machine backup? Time Machine would back that up, right?


Thanks,

Roy

[Michel Raj]

That's the temp file you can see in the finder (on Mac), in the same folder as the opened document and starting with a "~".
Which is there only when a document is open and it vanishes when it's closed properly.
So with a lot of luck, it could be on a TM backup...

Michel

[Mindy]

Tom asked if he could retrieve the file after he told it "not to save the changes" which sounds like he had an original file that was saved, made changes, then told it not to save. (In response to Bob L.'s comment) So a file *could* exist (in the Time Machine World). Yes, Time Machine does hourly backups, so I suppose it depends on how long it took to make the changes that weren't saved, if Time Machine was in action there could be a version of it. [Time Machine allows you to restore a file from it's back-up, when it restores it it asks you if you want to save the "original" file (from the present). So you could have the changes that you made and ah, the changes that you didn't make.]

I assume if you want to get at changes that you've made, that you've put a bit of time into it. So having a back up of the file (from an hourly backup) on Time Machine is not inconceivable. If you only spent a half hour on the changes and it happened to fall between the time machine cracks (work hole?) then I suppose you would have to spend a half hour remaking those changes.


Mindy

[Roy McCoy]

Mindy wrote:

> Tom asked if he could retrieve the file after he told it "not to save the changes" which sounds like he had an original file that was saved, made changes, then told it not to save. (In response to Bob L.'s comment) So a file *could* exist (in the Time Machine World). Yes, Time Machine does hourly backups, so I suppose it depends on how long it took to make the changes that weren't saved, if Time Machine was in action there could be a version of it. [Time Machine allows you to restore a file from it's back-up, when it restores it it asks you if you want to save the "original" file (from the present). So you could have the changes that you made and ah, the changes that you didn't make.]
>
> I assume if you want to get at changes that you've made, that you've put a bit of time into it. So having a back up of the file (from an hourly backup) on Time Machine is not inconceivable. If you only spent a half hour on the changes and it happened to fall between the time machine cracks (work hole?) then I suppose you would have to spend a half hour remaking those changes.

This doesn't seem to address the issue of the autosave file I'm positing - either that or it doesn't answer the question of how to access it if it exists in a backup.

Let's say I'm working on a file called "MyFile.indd". I close it and accidentally don't save changes though I wanted to. I check Time Machine and see that the last backup occurred only five minutes or so ago. Now, I assume the autosave file for "MyFile.indd" was backed up along with the main file itself, so my questions are: (1) where? and (2) can I use it?

I could test this by making changes, running a TM backup manually, etc., but I have to step out right now. Maybe later if nobody says.


Thanks,

Roy

[Roy McCoy]

P.S.

> I could test this by making changes, running a TM backup manually, etc., but I have to step out right now. Maybe later if nobody says.

Nobody said. When I checked my prefs in response to Bob's comments on Excel-ID-Excel, however, I noticed a choosable Document Recovery Data folder in the ID File Handling prefs. I'm sure I never changed that, so Users:[user]:Library:Caches:Adobe InDesign:Version 7.5:en_GB:InDesign Recovery must be the default location in 5.5. There are 167 DBSharingShi files in there dating back to last July, yikes, two very recent DBTmp files, 3.2 and 2.1 MB, and a single RecoveryData file that's only 4 KB so there's clearly not much in that one.

Okay, so I save my single open file in ID, make a change to it and wait till I see that the DBTmp file has updated in the InDesign Recovery folder. I do a Time Machine backup. I close my ID file without saving the change. I close ID and... bring back the last TM InDesign Recovery folder, retaining the original for the event that I might want it? But I can't: TM apparently doesn't let me see or retrieve the Caches folder or anything in it. Game over, apparently.


Roy

[Roy McCoy]

P.P.S. I changed the Document Recovery Data folder to one I *could* bring back with Time Machine, but the 4KB RecoveryData file stayed in the default location and I wasn't offered a recovery option when I reopened either ID or the file. It seems odd that I have the recovery data and yet can't use it, but that seems to be the way it is.