Typekit fonts for printing

[Karol Keane]

HI Everyone,

The adobe site says that fonts from Typekit are not to be packaged and given to a third party (like a printer).  Are they strictly for web use or has anyone used Typekit fonts for print?

Thanks in advance,

Karol 

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[Robert Severn]

I use TypeKit fonts for printing frequently. The license does not allow sending the entire font file (“bundling”) to a third party, but since, these days, most files sent to printers are pdf documents, there is no reason why the entire font files are needed, except for revisions at the printing facility. This is usually not done, although many large printing companies own the Adobe library license and would not need files sent by designers to make edits. 

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[Karol Keane]

Dear Robert,

Thank you for your common-sense honesty.  I even emailed Adobe support and they said that they couldn’t be bundled.  But fonts have been sent to printers practically since things went desktop.  I just wanted to make sure it was an accepted practice among peers.

Thank you for your response.

Best,

Karol

[John Kramer]

If I remember correctly, no font licenses ever included sending to a third party. Foundries have generally looked the other way for this kind of usage. Typekit should be no different. Printers are duty-bound to only use supplied fonts for the job at hand.

John Kramer Design

[William Adams]

On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:57 AM, John Kramer wrote:

> If I remember correctly, no font licenses ever included sending to a third party. Foundries have generally looked the other way for this kind of usage. Typekit should be no different. Printers are duty-bound to only use supplied fonts for the job at hand.

Some font licenses allowed sending fonts to a printer _if the printer had a license for said fonts_ --- Adobe's was generous like to that. The idea was to foreclose on font versioning problems. Emigre specifically disallowed this in their license, so some companies chose not to allow usage of Emigre fonts.

Getting printers to adhere to the spirit of such a permissive license was a problem though, and I went down in flames at one job interview when I expressed outrage over one of the interviewers admitting that they collected such fonts for their personal use when they thanked me for having used Agfa's Eaglefeather in a job which they'd printed.

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[Bret Perry]

I’d say sending fonts is a common practice, but frowned upon by most font vendors and forbidden by most licenses. 

PDF is a more modern way to do it if the font license allows (and most do).

Some Typekit fonts are web-only and some are also for Desktop — if you can use them in InDesign, the are for Desktop. Web fonts from type kit ONLY work on the web.

One of the cool things about Typekit is that your printing vendor can use it too. If they have CC, they have type kit* and can use any of the Typekit fonts that you do (they have to download it from Adobe themselves) — there is a limit on how many fonts each licensed workstation can use at one time so they might have to de-activate other Typekit fonts to “make room”.

*Also, Typekit is not available for large Enterprises, has to be an individual or a Team license for CC to get Typekit — so some big corporate printers cannot use it and would need to buy fonts separately — but a big printer should own most of the major foundries fonts.

Another concern with Typekit is you can’t save a backup of the fonts, so if you want to re-do the job years from now, the font may no longer be available (you never know).

Most, but not all of the major foundries do not allow sending fonts unless the printer has purchased the same font (but possibly a different version).

A few do allow it regardless, and a few don’t ever allow it. 

If you really want to be license-compliant, you need to read the font license for every font you use (pages of legal mind-nummingness).

Every foundry and sometimes individual fonts have different licenses.

In general a PDF is a way to not have to send fonts and most Foundries allow and prefer that (but some DO NOT!) 

Most will allow PDF IF the font is not embedded (Acrobat setting) — but sometimes fonts don’t display properly without embedding.

One foundry allows only Secured PDFs, locked “For printing and viewing only” — so no Commenting allowed for PDFs to clients and it won’t go thru an automated system because it is encrypted.

But in almost all cases, you can pay more for a special license that allows embedded PDFs.

Berthold, sells only a “Personal and Internal usage” license on the web or at MyFonts -- if you actually want to print a job at a printing vendor, you have get the printer to buy the font or you have to negotiate with Berthold to buy a “Commercial” license to allow PDF workflow or to print books or catalogs or much of anything out-of-house. Also not allowed to make jpegs for web with Berthold font (!), or make animations, without purchasing a special “Enterprise” license separately for that. So wow, buyer beware! 

 

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Karol

> The adobe site says that fonts from Typekit are not to be packaged and given to a third party (like a printer). Are they strictly for web use or has anyone used Typekit fonts for print?

What the others have said, plus some font licenses do not permit embedding in ebook files, either.



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