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Ann_Camilla

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May 10, 2011, 4:02:45 AM5/10/11
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I've been given a book with Russian words in (it's a World War II
military dictionary/vocabulary). The author's documents are in Word
(what else) and set in Times New Roman. The publisher's housestyle is
always Adobe Garamond.

What I find strange is that when I import the text into an InDesign
(CS5) template (publisher's housestyle), Adobe Garamond Pro doesn't
cope with Russian text at all, so I'm thinking that I shall have to
use TNR for the Russian words (setting up a Paragraph style using GREP
for the first word or two of each para to use a Character style of
TNR).

Why can TNR cope with Russian and not Adobe Garamond Pro?

Many thanks again,
Ann

Ann Farr
www.farroutpublications.co.uk

Thorny Bird

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May 10, 2011, 4:38:19 AM5/10/11
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Hi Ann,

The font used needs to have the Russian character set within. Standard fonts
like Times and Arial do include the character sets. You can but Adobe
Garamond with these sets - look at some of the font websites and search for
adobe Garamond - you'll will find the sets that do include Cyrillic
characters.

theresa

Many thanks again,
Ann

Ann Farr
www.farroutpublications.co.uk

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Michael Brady

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May 10, 2011, 4:46:14 AM5/10/11
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On May 10, 2011, at 4:02 AM, Ann_Camilla wrote:

> What I find strange is that when I import the text into an InDesign
> (CS5) template (publisher's housestyle), Adobe Garamond Pro doesn't
> cope with Russian text at all, so I'm thinking that I shall have to
> use TNR for the Russian words (setting up a Paragraph style using GREP
> for the first word or two of each para to use a Character style of
> TNR).
>
> Why can TNR cope with Russian and not Adobe Garamond Pro?

For the character style, don't change from Garamond to TNR, but instead under Advanced Character Formats, select Russian for the language of the character style. Does that work?


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Roy McCoy

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May 10, 2011, 6:37:26 AM5/10/11
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Michael B. wrote:

>> Why can TNR cope with Russian and not Adobe Garamond Pro?
>
> For the character style, don't change from Garamond to TNR, but instead under Advanced Character Formats, select Russian for the language of the character style. Does that work?


There wouldn't be a reason to hope that it would if she can't see the Russian characters in the Glyphs panel, right? That's where I'd check first, anyway. Is there any occasion when a glyph that isn't displayed in the Glyphs panel is nevertheless available? If so I'd like to know about it.


Roy

Bret Perry

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May 10, 2011, 12:38:53 PM5/10/11
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Indeed, no Cyrillic glyphs in Adobe Garamond Pro.
From U.S. Font Folio 11: Minion Pro has a 101, as does Baskerville
Cyrillic. TNR has 116.
I wonder if a "Russian" version would have more...

Some interesting links in this thread about Russian glyphs
:http://www.typophile.com/node/20508

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Thorny Bird

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May 10, 2011, 1:13:33 PM5/10/11
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Garamond premier pro contains Cyrrillic characters go to
http://store2.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-UK&event=disp
layFontPackage&code=1737


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Rai Land

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May 10, 2011, 2:42:20 PM5/10/11
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I am running Microsoft Word 2010 and the version of Garamond that comes with it includes Cyrillic characters.

I'm guessing you have a version of word installed? (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/fonts-that-ship-with-different-versions-of-office-HA010282644.aspx) I recommend you see if you have another version of Garamond on your computer that supports Cyrillic.

This is also easy to do in Msft Wrd since you can skip to subsets when viewing each font's "symbols" (glyphs)

FYI: the Cyrillic alphabet was developed in Bulgaria, not Russia

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Thorny Bird <thorn...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Garamond premier pro contains Cyrrillic characters go to
http://store2.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-UK&event=disp
layFontPackage&code=1737



Theresa

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Subject: Re: [ID] Russian text

Indeed, no Cyrillic glyphs in Adobe Garamond Pro.
From U.S. Font Folio 11: Minion Pro has a 101, as does Baskerville Cyrillic.
TNR has 116.
I wonder if a "Russian" version would have more...

Some interesting links in this thread about Russian glyphs
:http://www.typophile.com/node/20508


Ann_Camilla

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May 11, 2011, 8:10:32 AM5/11/11
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Thank you all so much for your help. I tried the Russian language in
Character Style but nothing happened. However, Theresa hit the nail on
the head with Garamond Premier Pro -- don't know why I didn't think of
that before as I've got the whole family -- instant recognition and no
problem at all. Can't see what the diff is between GPPro and Adobe
Garamond Pro. I think I'll just quietly change the publisher's
template ...

Thank you again.
Ann

Ann Farr
www.farroutpublications.co.uk

On May 10, 7:42 pm, Rai Land <fireflyz.lam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am running Microsoft Word 2010 and the version of Garamond that comes with
> it includes Cyrillic characters.
>
> I'm guessing you have a version of word installed? (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/fonts-that-ship-with-diff...)
> I
> recommend you see if you have another version of Garamond on your computer
> that supports Cyrillic.
>
> This is also easy to do in Msft Wrd since you can skip to subsets when
> viewing each font's "symbols" (glyphs)
>
> FYI: the Cyrillic alphabet was developed in Bulgaria, not Russia
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Thorny Bird <thornyb...@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Garamond premier pro contains Cyrrillic characters go to
>
> >http://store2.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?store=OLS-UK&eve...
> > layFontPackage&code=1737
>
> > Theresa
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: indesi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > indesi...@googlegroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Bret Perry
> > Sent: 10 May 2011 17:39
> > To: indesi...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [ID] Russian text
>
> > Indeed, no Cyrillic glyphs in Adobe Garamond Pro.
> > From U.S. Font Folio 11: Minion Pro has a 101, as does Baskerville
> > Cyrillic.
> > TNR has 116.
> > I wonder if a "Russian" version would have more...
>
> > Some interesting links in this thread about Russian glyphs
> > :http://www.typophile.com/node/20508
>

William Adams

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May 11, 2011, 8:56:53 AM5/11/11
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On May 11, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Ann_Camilla wrote:

> Can't see what the diff is between GPPro and Adobe
> Garamond Pro.

Short version:

Adobe Garamond pro has a higher x-height and is cleaner / more sterile.

Garamond Premier Pro has a lower x-height and is more stylized and has a full set of optical sizes (did they ever release updated versions which fix the under-lying numbers?).

For the long version see the wonderful books which were released w/ the typefaces:

http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/AdobeGaramondPro.pdf

Well, scratch that plural --- seems the Garamond Premier Pro book hasn't yet been released. A shame that.

http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/GaramondPremierPro.pdf

http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/GRPP/GaramondPremrPro.pdf

(I'd love for someone to prove me wrong)

William
(who still has the printed book he got when he first purchased Adobe Font sets #100 and 101 back when they first came out)
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William Adams

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May 11, 2011, 9:10:44 AM5/11/11
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I wrote:

> For the long version see the wonderful books which were released w/ the typefaces:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/pdfs/AdobeGaramondPro.pdf

In digging for that I found a couple of others which I posted as a list of links to the typography list TYPO-L:

http://gmunch.home.pipeline.com/typo-L/

I know some people here already subscribe, but thought some others might be interested in the list or the post.

William

Thorny Bird

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May 11, 2011, 9:19:16 AM5/11/11
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Excellent! The Premier pro is just the full family of glyths, the font
companies have been adding full language sets as they are converting to
Opentype fonts. I set foreign texts all the time :)

Theresa

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