Is it safe to fly since Fukushima? Probably not

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The list of frequent flier celebrities who have come down with cancer and other radiation caused illness is ominous. The radiation on average flight is 7 times greater since Fukushima--b ut it can be much more.Pilots drujnk on radiation endanger passengers on commercial flights. All this has been covered up.
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Yes. I agree with Tom. But  also Aaron would exclude from his area of concern more than cabin attendants and journalists--but why don't THEY matter ? Collateral damage?. There is entire crew on airplanes. Does Aaron think stewards and staff and pilots all deserve to die of cancer? Foetuses are particularly vulnerable.
The people Consulo described were not capita;liat but frequently flying actors. Not all of them are rich,
. Furthermore when I was an undergrad I went to college in Madison. Many students go out of state.Or out of country. Considering the high levels even a half dozen times a year can jeopardize oine';s health. Someone like Isis would be more vulnerable. And then
there is always risk of pilot's losing control-see bedlow
   Has anybody ever heard of anyone getting "drujnk [sic!] on radiation"?
According to  Consulo the "executive functions" of the brain is disabled by high level of radiation. The effect of this is LIKE being drunk, or brain-damaged. Pace Aaron this is very serious disability. I called it "getting drunk" since I did not want to go into long explanation  and the effect is similar.(I forgot we owed it to him.) Thus she cites many example where pilots were unable to maintain control of the plane. Obviously pilots are repeatedly subjected to radiation.
  Aaron  writes, "Can anyone  provide links to a well-documented text-based source for these assertions?  I certainly don't intend to spend close to two hours (if you count pauses to write down any references) watching a video from people whom I have never heard of."  WEll I doubt there are many people that intend to spend THEIR timed so ypou don't hVE TO SPEDND YOURS. ThAnks  to "radchick" and Leuren M oret and others--their work--this info is available to you. THe fact that YOUI have never heard of them is YPOUR ignorance. You can read about her on her website EG After 25 years of working in the medical field, and running a large clinical research center in Michigan, I found myself on the other side of the Medical Industrial Complex, as a patient with severe fibromyalgia from a flu shot, and a career-ending spinal cord injury. I began researching theFukushima accident during my recovery, and became very alarmed at the lack of attention this catastrophe was receiving. The first clue that the reactors were breachedwere reports of “neutron beams” being visualized around the site, even miles away from the reactor buildings, early into the accident." http://climateviewer.com/2014/01/22/christina-radchick-consolo-founder-host-nuked-radio/
 You seem to think someone owes you something when these people have devoted a lot of time providing info that the mainstream press is concealing. And yet you complain that ALL the work has not been done for you!. Don't do us any favors. I sifted through a lot of material because there has been a black out.
    If you don't want to waste time watching a video about issues that may affect your
health, life, then take your chances. More well known experts like Michio Kaku and Hedlen Caldicott have not spoken on the flying aspects, but  I'm sure they would agree. Kaku and Caldicott hav e described Fukushima as "extinction level event" Yet you celebrate people dying and complain  there is not a prepared text! Speak of bourgeois attitudes.
    Here is excerpt from bio of Moret who did original research
Leuren Moret was an Expert Witness at the International Criminal Tribunal For Afghanistan At Tokyo.  She is an independent scientist and international expert on radiation and public health issues. She is on the organizing committee of the World Committee on Radiation Risk, an organization of independent radiation specialists, including members of the Radiation Committee in the EU parliament, the European Committee on Radiation Risk.  She has been an environmental commissioner for the City of Berkeley. Ms. Moret earned her BS in geology at U.C. Davis in 1968 and her MA in Near Eastern studies from U.C. Berkeley in 1978.  She has completed all but her dissertation for a PhD in the geosciences at U.C. Davis.  She has traveled and conducted scientific research in 42 countries.  She contributed to a scientific report on depleted uranium for the United Nations sub commission investigating the illegality of depleted uranium munitions.  Marion Fulk, a former Manhattan Project scientist and retired insider at the Livermore Lab, who is an expert on radioactive fallout and rainout, has trained her on radiation issues.
Leuren Moret has conducted research concerning the impact on the health of the environment and global public health from atmospheric testing, nuclear power plants, and depleted uranium.  She has helped collect and measure radiation in 6000 baby teeth from children living around nuclear power plants, and helped The State of Louisiana (USA) pass the first state depleted uranium bill for mandatory testing of soldiers.
Articles she wrote on DU were translated into Indian languages to increase awareness.  Her article "Depleted Uranium: The Trojan Horse of Nuclear War" in the June 2004 WORLD AFFAIRS JOURNAL was translated at the request of the Kremlin for distribution throughout the Russian government.  The LONE STAR ICONOCLAST, hometown newspaper of President Bush, interviewed her for a series of interviews, "What is depleted uranium?", which are now attached to US Congressman McDermott's 2005 depleted uranium bill HR 2410 in the US Congress.  The newspaper did a second issue, March 1, 2006, titled "Have DU Will Travel".  Her City of Berkeley 2003 resolution banning weapons in space was followed by a Space Preservation Treaty Resolution adopted by seven sister cities in British Columbia, Canada, contributing to Prime Minister Paul Martin's decision in February 2005 to abandon ....
 
 
 
 Why should environmentalists or other anti-capitalists care whether the kind of people who fly in planes a lot, other than cabin attendants and a few lefty musicians, journalists, and such, start dropping dead faster than the rest of us? In
 
to people from any walk of life being subjected to high levels of radiation. I refuse to be governed by class resentment when making such moral decisions about for whom I will feel compassion and concern.
 
But this from a fellow who agrees with the LRP that the relatively privileged who live in Palestine now should enjoy no “national rights” (which you have yet to define) in the future Palestine.
 
The white portion of the citizens of the United States, will please take note!
 
Thomas
 
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Subject: Re: [ActionGreens] Is it safe to fly since Fukushima? Probably not
 
 
1) Can anyone provide links to a well-documented text-based source for these assertions? I certainly don't intend to spend close to two hours (if you count pauses to write down any references) watching a video from people whom I have never heard of.
 
2) Has anybody ever heard of anyone getting "drujnk [sic!] on radiation"? Even those who died of radiation poisoning in the days after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not reported to show such symptoms, at least not before showing much more serious ones (like fatally uncontrolled bleeding from minor wounds).
 
3) Why should environmentalists or other anti-capitalists care whether the kind of people who fly in planes a lot, other than cabin attendants and a few lefty musicians, journalists, and such, start dropping dead faster than the rest of us? In fact, if these claims are true, shouldn't we be sneaking articles into capitalist media touting the advantages of attending international business meetings in person?
 
 - Aaron
 
 
 
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Dear Aaron,
While reading your post, I was reminded of the satiric response by Lewis Mumford to Jane Jacobs’ statement, in The Death and Live of Great American Cities, that cities do not require art. Mumford responds, “the citizens of Milan ,Paris, Genoa, will please take note!”
 
I was tempted to write a similar reply to what I consider to be a similarly reductionist, anti-humanist post.
 
Marx prefaced Das Kapital with a quote from Terence: “Nothing human shall be alien to me.” And Lincoln said something about “with malice toward none.”
 
I object to people from any walk of life being subjected to high levels of radiation. I refuse to be governed by class resentment when making such moral decisions about for whom I will feel compassion and concern.
 
But this from a fellow who agrees with the LRP that the relatively privileged who live in Palestine now should enjoy no “national rights” (which you have yet to define) in the future Palestine.
 
The white portion of the citizens of the United States, will please take note!
 
Thomas
 
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Subject: Re: [ActionGreens] Is it safe to fly since Fukushima? Probably not
 
 
1) Can anyone provide links to a well-documented text-based source for these assertions? I certainly don't intend to spend close to two hours (if you count pauses to write down any references) watching a video from people whom I have never heard of.
 
2) Has anybody ever heard of anyone getting "drujnk [sic!] on radiation"? Even those who died of radiation poisoning in the days after Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not reported to show such symptoms, at least not before showing much more serious ones (like fatally uncontrolled bleeding from minor wounds).
 
3) Why should environmentalists or other anti-capitalists care whether the kind of people who fly in planes a lot, other than cabin attendants and a few lefty musicians, journalists, and such, start dropping dead faster than the rest of us? In fact, if these claims are true, shouldn't we be sneaking articles into capitalist media touting the advantages of attending international business meetings in person?
 
 - Aaron
 
 
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Subject: [ActionGreens] Is it safe to fly since Fukushima? Probably not
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:00:19 -0400 (EDT)
 
The list of frequent flier celebrities who have come down with cancer and other radiation caused illness is ominous. The radiation on average flight is 7 times greater since Fukushima--b ut it can be much more.Pilots drujnk on radiation endanger passengers on commercial flights. All this has been covered up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOtxx7zpyz0
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