Re: [ActionGreens] Is it safe to fly since Fukushima? Brinks robbery , animal rights

[seth...@aol.com]

Aaron

Mitch does not say or imply anywhere that "small scale violations"  should be of more concern than the massive horrors committed by the ruling elites.  Did you just make this ujp? Surely you must see it's not in Mitch's letter.

 

I do not believe in eating animals. Iagree--I think it IS hypocritical to serve factory slaughtered animals at left-wing events. (Since it is particularly painfulo way toi die) You correctly refer to their bodies as" tortured." YEt you think it's right to sanction the torturing of animals as long as one does not value the lives of "two-legged pigs"?  Or is it wrong in ANY case to eat such

animals?

 

 

How did you get the right, if not the power, to determine who DESERVES to live and who deserves to die?.
What did you do to become so deserving of that right? You say it as if you determined that Mitch is objectively wrong when he says the death of the cop was unfortunate, tragic. Gilbert also felt that he was wrong--

that to have caused the death of the cop  through negligent homicide was wrong. Gilbert is wrong also?
Of course Gilbert ought not to have gotten a life sentence. But Gilbert thinks he should have gotten some sentence. How do you think Gilbert made such a mistake as to think the life of that man was worth something?

 

Were you born with the ability to determine who deserves to live?? Or did you earn it? How does one earn that right--to decide eg that the life of the cops who died in the Brinks robbery is of no concern. And the wives and children of the cop . did they deserve to have their father killed?. THe cop was guilty presumably for protecting :"private property." BUt what were his children guilty of?

 

Seth

 

 

Mitchel,

 

You seem to believe there is some universal morality that all leftists should subscribe to and, even more, that we should be more concerned with incidents of small-scale violations of that morality than about the massive horrors committed by, or at least abetted by, the more privileged sections of the global population.

 

And, if you "think it is up to us to uphold ALL LIFE" (I don't!), do you value the lives of two-legged "pigs", as they are wrongly called, above the lives of genuine four-legged pigs, parts of whose tortured bodies are often included in the buffets at left events?

 

As for the Brinks robbery of 1981, I think it was foolishly executed in a number of respects, but I'm more saddened by how it negatively impacted the lives of David Gilbert, Marilyn Buck, and other leftists than about the deaths of some cops and other protectors of capitalist property.

 

 - Aaron

 

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From: "Mitchel Cohen mitche...@mindspring.com [ActionGreens]" <ActionGree...@yahoogroups.com>

To: action...@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [ActionGreens] Is it safe to fly since Fukushima? Probably  not

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 15:41:21 -0400

 

Hi Paul,

Aaron is pretty glib when it comes to not caring about (at best) the deaths of those he ridiculously considers the class enemy. I think it is up to us to uphold ALL LIFE, and not fall into the bourgeois trap of treating people as "collalteral damage".

When one's morality falls away before the pressures of the struggle, we've already lost. And, vice-versa, one is then too easily guilt-tripped into doing things that can't be taken back, and that they'd later regret (such as the killings (and rationale for them) associated with the folks who took part in the 1982 Brinks robbery).

How one relates to people, and their moral compass, are much more important (contra Mao, et al.) than their political line-of-the-moment in deciding where and with whom one should spend their time and energy.

Mitchel

At 03:18 PM 7/8/2014, Paul Gilman p.gil...@gmail.com [ActionGreens] wrote:

 I just saw this thread. Here's a few thoughts.

1)  What causes the radiation in the planes?  Even after the revolution we, at least I still want the option to fly around the world.  Does flying have to leave such a large ecol-footprint that it should be banned?

2) There are many environmental factors that disproportionately effect the poor.  The South Bronx, with two major thoroughfares that trucks spreading all sorts of fumes use is one such example. The toxic waste incinerator located a block away from an elementary school in East Liverpool, Ohio is another example.  Uranium mining on Hopi and Dene land is an example of genocide through ecocide.  Exposure to asbestos and other toxins effect construction workers.  White collar workers are exposed to all sorts of toxic out-gassing, unnatural lighting and WiFi exposures.  The list goes on.  In Central America exposures to pesticides and herbicides kill many agricultural workers.  Agent Orange use against the Vietnamese people was an example destroying the environment to kill a people. 

3) The whole purpose of killing ruling-class people is one of defense of the revolution.  A person who was in the ruling-class, but is now made harmless in the post-revolutionary society shouldn't be killed.  Some times these people may adapt, and actually contribute in a positive way to the new society.  This may not be a norm, but it should be made an option.  Alot of times attacks against a former ruling-class person may be one of revenge, which can be another word of "justice."  Some of the ruling-class war mongers are  exposed to alot of military toxins.  It's hard to feel sorry for them.  The rest seem to be more or less insulated from the environmental damage they inflict, except maybe where this thread started, on airplanes.  

Paul

 

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