Observation map not showing Tui location

[JaneyT]

I was checking the latest observations of Tui in Canterbury and noticed my 2015 observation at Mt Richardson does not appear on the public map, the information is all correct from what I can see. Is there something I've missed? Advice appreciated, thanks.
https://inaturalist.nz/observations/1566298

[johnb...@gmail.com]

Could it be because your observation is 'Casual' and not 'Research' grade, i.e. it does not have at least two identifications?

[Mark Tutty]

It is casual because it does not have a photo or soundclip. I’ve added a conf anyway... very distinctive birds!

 

cheers
Mark Tutty
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[JaneyT]

Hi JohnB, yes I was thinking that also. However, it appears Research Grade observations are used by scientists for research, but I didn't realise they were precluded from the public observation map. A shame because in many cases, the observation is probably just as valid - despite the absence of a second witness or photo. 

[JaneyT]

Thanks Mark! :-)  I don't use this website enough to understand all the options. 

[Mark Tutty]

Not being RG doesn’t preclude observations from being used for research. And being RG doesn’t mean they are good for research either! It depends on what questions the science is trying to answer. You can click the filter and include the casual observations in that view. You can bookmark the result if you want to refer to it regularly.

 

Don’t worry, the more you use the site, the easier it gets, and some of the “quirks” turn out to be rather useful feaures!

 

cheers
Mark Tutty
kiwif...@gmail.com

 

From: JaneyT
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2018 11:45 AM
To: iNaturalist NZ
Subject: Re: Observation map not showing Tui location

 

Hi JohnB, yes I was thinking that also. However, it appears Research Grade observations are used by scientists for research, but I didn't realise they were precluded from the public observation map. A shame because in many cases, the observation is probably just as valid - despite the absence of a second witness or photo. 

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[JaneyT]

Ah, I see... just untick "Verifiable" and more appear. Thank you for the tip!
It's really exciting to see Tui observations on the increase. They are outstanding fliers - all the way from Akaroa to North Canterbury in some cases. 

[Mark Tutty]

Actually... come to think of it, I have known many people to hear a bellbird and think it was a tui (myself included)... they are only VISUALLY distinctive.

[Colin Meurk]

Hi Janey

Below you can see a snip of the search page which shows your record – went to explore, reset the filters (see 3 items registered) for a date range and importantly to ‘non-verifiable’ because of lack of photo (verifiable is the default).  Yours and other non-photographed records show up.

Hope that helps

Regards colin

 

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[Colin Meurk]

Sorry to double up on the advice now I see the whole thread 😊

Yes; there is an ongoing debate about the term ‘research grade’.  Not very helpful in some ways.

😊

c

[JaneyT]

Yes that is very true. ID'ing Tui is easier for me because for some reason my hearing does not pick up the range of the tui very well - judging by the silent beak movements. Bellbirds are louder and noisier according to my ears. 

[Mark Tutty]

We struck this while I was out citrus monitoring... one of the monitors was identifying (and had been for years) winged psocids as lacewings, which are not comparable in terms of beneficials for orchards. The dilemma is that if we change how the monitoring is done, then the historical patterns become worthless, but by the same token, how much affect would it have on the decisions to spray etc if the correct Ids were made? I think it is more about how well the user of the data understands it’s limitations and strengths.

 

cheers
Mark Tutty
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[Colin Meurk]

I once heard a tui mimicking a kingfisher/kotare – on stewart island.  I wondered why there was a kingfisher in the bush 😊. And they were reputed by tangata whenua to be able to recite waiata. You can’t be too careful!

c

[JaneyT]

Cheers Colin! Yes that does the trick, thank you. I know that for next time - I'm interested in any/ all observations.