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Oh yeah I remember seeing that when it was restricted to Australia.Strange site. I think it already submits to Atlas of Living Australia and GBIF.
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Seems redundant to transfer Questagame to GBIF via ALA if they also want to transfer to iNaturalist (which will in turn transfer to GBIF and ALA too).Easiest mediating point might be if they just transfer to iNat, which drops the sightings to ALA and GBIF when they get research grade. But maybe the research grade barrier will put them off given how the software seems to function.
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That's definitely not a good way to use iNaturalist - parasitically.Donald
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Was going to sign up to see what it was about, but the website sign in button does not work apparently on any of my PCs or browsers. The button is redundant and nothing happens when you click on it. Hm,
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Donald Hobern alerted me to this discussion. Thank you for this feedback. It's exactly the sort of discussion we're keen to work through. In fact, we’ve just begun experimenting with some public APIs - including iNaturalist, BowerBird and others - as a way to avoid QuestaGame experts and players having to log into multiple systems.
To clarify your key points:
>> 1. persistent rather than temporary posting of data
This is not a problem. We only did this to avoid duplicate records on GBIF during this learning phase, but it's not a problem for us to leave the sightings on iNat. We just need 1-2 days so we can update our internal scripts.
>> 2. different users rather than a lumped account
This is possible. It adds a layer of complexity, but could be a really good solution. We'll look into how this might work.
>> 3. links back to iNat and acknowledgment of the iNat community
Of course, not a problem.
Please bear with us as we try to figure out what’s possible - and not possible - with these codes. We’ve received some wonderful comments from iNaturalist users which is much appreciated. QuestaGame is 100% aligned with the goals of citizen science programs such as iNaturalist and will do whatever it can to promote better collaboration as a means to increase the quantity and quality of species observations on GBIF.
Thanks in advance for your help on this.
Kind regards,
Mallika
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>>> 2. different users rather than a lumped account
>> This is possible. It adds a layer of complexity, but could be a really good solution. We'll look into how this might work.
This would be huge. The iNat community is really about peer - to - peer communication, so as long as you're having questagam participants register with unique accounts, it would be technically very simple to post their obs with analogous distinct user accounts: http://www.inaturalist.org/pages/api+reference#post-users
>>> 3. links back to iNat and acknowledgment of the iNat community
>> Of course, not a problem.
Thanks for your note, Ken-ichi. I assume this is the best place to discuss. Hi everyone.
As a temporary solution, is there some other option besides “delete” that QGame could use via the iNaturalist API - e.g. “noGBIF”? Maybe we missed it in the documentation?
QGame has a “noGBIF” tag that we use for certain low quality images, or to prevent duplicates.
We thought perhaps we could just use QGame’s “noGBIF” tag for the obs, and then leave the obs on iNat forever, but this would raise an attribution issue for the submitter. So perhaps some sort of “noGBIF” tag on iNat would make the most sense? Then the obs can just remain on iNat.
Thanks everyone for your understanding as we explore solutions. Keen to see what comes out of this.
Donald
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From GBIF's side, we'd rather just get all the records and then deal with deduplication on our side. There is less risk then that we never see them at all.
Thanks,
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To be fair, how much coding time does it take to have a check/uncheck for submitting to GBIF on our end? I guess it technically already exists in terms of observations that don't get research grade. I don't know anything about the site's coding so I may be completely wrong in my assumption, though.James
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Hmm, still not sure this resolves the attribution issue. We think it needs more consideration.
We’ve disabled the API feed for now as we mull over the different options. Definitely don’t want to waste iNat users’ time. A big thanks to those who spent time providing IDs, which definitely benefited GBIF’s data, not to mention the end-user’s discovery of nature (in our case a lot of kids, or kids at heart).
Thanks for your help and patience on this.
-Andrew