exifs deleted during photo convertion

[Joseph Balson]

Would be great if the exifs in the uploaded photos weren't deleted during convertion for small, large, medium and original formats.
Anyone downloading a photo will have no way to find copyright status, contacts, author or any other relevant exif data. Displaying these exifs on the photo page is just not enough.

[bouteloua]

I prefer the EXIF stripped. Otherwise If I decide to change the geoprivacy of an observation from public to obscured or private, the EXIF will still contain the true location and/or timestamps.

I suppose the site could be designed to strip/unstrip EXIF when conservation status and manually-set geoprivacy changes but that seems complicated...

cassi

[Charlie Hohn]

yeah, in the least the location-based EXIF needs to always be stripped. 

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Charlie Hohn
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[Joseph Balson]

I can understand the concern about geoprivacy, but my thinking always was: if I don't want something to go public, I don't put it in the exifs in the first place. 
Anyway, only striping the exif so they are managed in the website database would be a lesser evil if the contact, copryright, photo infos weren't deleted.

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 5:49:47 PM UTC+2, Charlie Hohn wrote:

yeah, in the least the location-based EXIF needs to always be stripped. 

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:08 AM, bouteloua <cassi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I prefer the EXIF stripped. Otherwise If I decide to change the geoprivacy of an observation from public to obscured or private, the EXIF will still contain the true location and/or timestamps.

I suppose the site could be designed to strip/unstrip EXIF when conservation status and manually-set geoprivacy changes but that seems complicated...

cassi

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 9:39:16 AM UTC-5, Joseph Balson wrote:

Would be great if the exifs in the uploaded photos weren't deleted during convertion for small, large, medium and original formats.
Anyone downloading a photo will have no way to find copyright status, contacts, author or any other relevant exif data. Displaying these exifs on the photo page is just not enough.

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[Charlie Hohn]

a lot of people use the app to document thingse including endangered species or species on their land. The ability to do this with geoprivacy enabled is integral to iNat and always has been. There is no way to strip EXIFs when uploading from the app. The safety and privacy of users and the protection of species subject to harassment and poaching is more important than convenience. It is the responsibility of the potential user to research copyright before using the photo anywhere.

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[John Bestevaar]

Dear Joseph

I fully support your contention. I cannot understand why the nerds cant construct a system that preserves the ORIGINAL exifs intact and unalterable and under a permissions regime with encrypted access to various levels as required. I would also support your suggestion that exifs basics such as author and copyright should be unstripable except by original owner or full copyright holder.

[John Bestevaar]

No... ALWAYS stripping geolocation exif will restrict the ability of ecologists to track and map changes to  ecosystems and thus lessen their effective recommendations for environmental management. Restrict access to geolocations via a permissions system based on trust.Encrypted if need be.

On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 1:49:47 AM UTC+10, Charlie Hohn wrote:

yeah, in the least the location-based EXIF needs to always be stripped. 

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:08 AM, bouteloua <cassi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I prefer the EXIF stripped. Otherwise If I decide to change the geoprivacy of an observation from public to obscured or private, the EXIF will still contain the true location and/or timestamps.

I suppose the site could be designed to strip/unstrip EXIF when conservation status and manually-set geoprivacy changes but that seems complicated...

cassi

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 9:39:16 AM UTC-5, Joseph Balson wrote:

Would be great if the exifs in the uploaded photos weren't deleted during convertion for small, large, medium and original formats.
Anyone downloading a photo will have no way to find copyright status, contacts, author or any other relevant exif data. Displaying these exifs on the photo page is just not enough.

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[Charlie Hohn]

why would ecologists need the EXIF when the actual location is on iNat? That makes no sense. 

And there is no encryption that is perfect. Having the location data in two places increases the risk.

What is the use case where you even want this? 

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[Chris Cheatle]

There are at least 2 permission based systems in place for access to locations already, either via traditional projects or validated research requests for access to the data. There is no discernable reason for a 3rd.

Furthermore, your comment about "nerds" is insulting and has no place in this forum.