'use control scroll to zoom the map'

[Charlie Hohn]

you now can't zoom into a map on the species page unless holding control while scrolling. Does anyone like this? I find it annoying.

it may be something with the maps interface that we can't change, but if we can, i vote for putting it back as it was.  A minor issue, but, I don't see much upside to doing this.

[Mirko Schoenitz]

The new behavior is useful on the species page where it was impossible to scroll by mouse wheel without accidentally zooming the map (unless you carefully moved the mouse to the page margins), which was annoying.

So I could go either way, but find the new solution better in that regard.

[Paul Bailey]

Another naturalist site that I (sometimes) use has a toggle on the map that allows both options. The default is that a mouse scroll will result in moving up/down the page. If the toggle on the map is adjusted, however, it allows a mouse scroll to adjust the map zoom.

Here's an example page: https://www.naturing.net/#observationview/148039

[Charlie Hohn]

whoa, yet another inaturalist-like site. Ispot drama aside i really do wish we could lump them all together somehow. It's so confusing. But of coures, there are problems with that too..

back on topic.. i do continue to find the new change annoying, but that reasoning does make sense. It's not a big deal... but the first thing I always do any time i look at anything is zoom the map in or out, so it's coming up a lot. Will be interesting to see if others care either way. If nobody else cares, maybe it's better leaving it be and i will adapt :)

[Caleb Cam]

I find it annoying as well. I use the scroll every time because its much easier and quicker than clicking the zoom out button.

Caleb

[Scott Loarie]

Thats a change made by Google on the Google Maps side. If people don't like it, its possible we could do something on our end to revert things to the way they were. Would have to investigate.

I too find it annoying. But I have to remind myself that thats probably because I'm not used to it, and like most software changes I should give it some time to get used to it first

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[tony rebelo]

I dont mind it.  I find it a bit obtrusive as I used to just scroll on the map and it is now an extra step.  

But I used to be irritated by the map zooming when I did not want it to,so that is cool.

What I find far more annoying is that the map does not retain satellite view and always reverts to map view even though I find it useless.

[tony rebelo]

"whoa, yet another inaturalist-like site. Ispot drama aside i really do wish we could lump them all together somehow. It's so confusing. But of coures, there are problems with that too.."

Lots of sites wont join iNat until it acknowledges that users have credentials outside of iNat.  Things like societies and clubs users belong to.  And Taxonomical experts posting precise IDs that are swamped by novice's IDs.  So there is serious competition with iNat.  Go to Europe or the UK to see that there are dozens of similar sites all offering similar functions (e.g. see https://species.nbnatlas.org/species/NHMSYS0000080159 - 93 datasets contributing).  

Most of these though are very local, and dont come making offers to migrate entire communities when other sites run into difficulties ...

[Charlie Hohn]

i think the real reason is just that this sort of thing is a good idea so a lot of people tried it at once, some communities worked well and some didn't. I helped test another one called Whats Invasive which was only for tracking invasive species... before I found iNat. Since iNat is definitely one of the biggest if not the biggest without having club credentials and external bonus points and shiny gold stars for your pHd, (and afaik eBird which is huge too also doesn't), it would be irrational to believe that all these people refuse to join iNat because they don't get that shiny gold star. I think that's just you! We are driven for our desire for knowledge and to contribute, not our obsession over social status. Over time as iNat gets better, more people will either join iNat or link in parallel in GBIF which is almost as good anyway (the community and the data are what matters). Perhaps a parallel site with extra peacock feathers will be set up so that parallel group of experts who supposedly need ego enhancement can also contribute without feeling too sad. Maybe they can attach it to LinkedIn, the most annoying website on the Internet, so they can make you read their whole CV before getting an iD. Whatever floats your boat. You could also attach a shiny star sticker to your profile using HTML if you want. 

This is wildly off topic though. I saw that this feature/bug was removed from some of the maps, or else maybe i was just using a different computer with old cache. But... either way, my vote is to get rid of it but it's not a strong vote and if others prefer it i will adapt to it just fine.

[tony rebelo]

Seems to be gone: maps back to "normal"

On Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:12:54 UTC+2, Charlie Hohn wrote:

[tony rebelo]

Dont worry.  if we dont like it we will just fork off.  Ridicule any suggestions as much as you like, but if you are going to oppose any improvements the site will slowly lose out.  We have already left one site that failed to improve.  It will be easier next time. But it is worth a try trying to suggest some innovations, even if they are ignored or opposed for a while.

[Charlie Hohn]

it's worthwhile to suggest it once or twice, state your case, in a thread you make yourself. Running around posting the same rant in sixty different topics is just annoying. I haven't seen any of the other iSpot people acting that way so probably the rest of them like iNat fine or at least understand that. Anyhow i support lots of improvements just not the 'improvement' that you want. You don't always get your way.

Now can we go back to talking to the topic at hand and have oyu keep your 'requests' for special status in your own folder?

[bouteloua]

I do prefer it without the ctrl to zoom. I have a pretty standard 38 cm laptop screen and have a wide 4 cm on either side of the taxon page map so I haven't run into any scrolling issues. I see that that page is still requiring ctrl to zoom. e.g. https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/75858-Bouteloua-curtipendula , Map tab

Like Scott said I do think I would eventually get used to it, but requiring just one finger to zoom rather than 2 is generally probably better. :)

[krancmm]

I despise the control+zoom.  It's not a matter of getting used to something; it's a matter of having to make 2 actions do the work of what was efficiently handled by 1 action.  Just another waste of time.

Here's some documentation on getting rid of it:
https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/javascript/interaction#demos

Part way down is Enabling Zoom & Pan

Get the code

In your index.html file, replace the JavaScript code for the map variable with the code below.

      function initMap() {
        var locationRio = {lat: -22.915, lng: -43.197};
        var map = new google.maps.Map(document.getElementById('map'), {
          zoom: 13,
          center: locationRio,
          gestureHandling: 'greedy'
        });

Save and open the index.html file in a web browser to display a map that enables zoom and pan interaction.

Couldn't we please implement this for the site...

Thanks,

Monica

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 11:51:39 AM UTC-6, Scott Loarie wrote:

Thats a change made by Google on the Google Maps side. If people don't like it, its possible we could do something on our end to revert things to the way they were. Would have to investigate.

I too find it annoying. But I have to remind myself that thats probably because I'm not used to it, and like most software changes I should give it some time to get used to it first

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:40 AM, Caleb Cam <afri...@gmail.com> wrote:

I find it annoying as well. I use the scroll every time because its much easier and quicker than clicking the zoom out button.

Caleb

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 7:12:54 AM UTC-7, Charlie Hohn wrote:

you now can't zoom into a map on the species page unless holding control while scrolling. Does anyone like this? I find it annoying.

it may be something with the maps interface that we can't change, but if we can, i vote for putting it back as it was.  A minor issue, but, I don't see much upside to doing this.

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[Finrod]

to me it was annoying (quite) the older way, I'd rather keep as it's now (on my pc it still works with control or using the buttons) :-)

[Tony Iwane]

Scroll to zoom should be back online for everything except taxon pages. 

Tony

[James Bailey]

It was annoying at first but I'm used to it. It isn't too much of a problem for me.