Handrail rebedding project

[Lionheart]

I've been reading the various posts about re-bedding the handrails,
especially Mike Girardo's project. Several years ago I read about
someone who, once the handrails were removed, installed E-Z Lok
threaded inserts into the base of the handrails. This allowed him to
reattach the handrails using machine screws rather than wood screws.

Aside from any bedding techniques, this seems to me to be a better
approach for attaching the handrail, and one which produces at least
an equally strong attachment in the end. It greatly reduces the
danger of striping the threads in the handrail, too. Has anyone else
tried this or have an opinion about it?

(Search this group for "handrail" to find Mikes comments. Browse
ezlok.com for info about the inserts.)

Bill Spencer - LIONHEART, NS30U 352 Hyde Park, NY

[Chris Ouellette]

On another boat we had, (It was a Catboat), the grab rails were not
screwed on. Rather there was a bolt that run right through the grab
rail from the top. The hole for the bolt was counterbored and then
plugged with a matching wood plug to the grab rail material (teak in
our case). The threaded end of the bolt then went through the cabin
top and was tightened down with a nut and large washers. It was very
secure and would require that either the cabintop let go, or the grab
rail material disentegrate before it would come off.
Your proposal for threaded inserts sounds good. I think the
inserts would/should be stainless to ensure good longevity.

Chris Ouellette
NS 26C "Yellowtail"
Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia

[Ron Singerman]

Bill,

Try using Butyl tape to rebed your handrails. I think you'll be quite
pleased. If you use threaded inserts you are going to have to be very
careful that they have the same orientation as the screws.

>>ron singerman<<
S/V Serenity II
Nonsuch U 479
Gulfport, FL

[Joe Valinoti]

I think I've said this before - I had nothing but trouble using Butyl tape.  Every month or so the screws holding the handrail had to be tightened and I had to clean off the tape that squeezed out.  The other side was done with silicone and I've not had any problems.  Could be the way I did it.

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

PS - Ron:  On or about the 16th of February, I'll be passing through Gulfport on a motor trip.  Love to see your boat.

  

 

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[Capt. Mike]

I think I read somewhere butyl works best on flat surfaces like under the stanchions.

Sent from on board BIANKA
http://biankablog.blogspot.com

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From: "Joe Valinoti" <joes...@gmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:38:31 -0500

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[Thor Powell (Mariner's Cat V - N 26C)]

I believe butyl only works well under compression with a screw/nut/
lock washer. A wood screw will not provide enough constant
compression. It probably helps to chamfer the top of the hole so the
sealant gets in close to the screw shaft. I did all my screw/nut
attachments 4 years ago with butyl and so far no problems. Anything
that used a wood screw I used 3M 4000.
Thor
26C

[Ron Singerman]

Joe,

Call me when you get to town. If you have time we can even do
dinner. Greg and Wendy Jeans ( Cat Nap 30 C) from Nova Scotia are
down for the winter and I'm sure that we can get them to join us.
Cell # 727 348 3695.

>>ron<<

On Feb 2, 7:38 am, "Joe Valinoti" <joesa...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Joe Valinoti]

Great except that as of this morning, our dates may have changed.  Will stay in touch.

Joe

[Ron Singerman]

Joe,

There are several butyl tapes on the market. The tape that you buy
in the RV store is not suitable for marine use. Check out sailboat
owners.com and go to the musings with maine sail forum and there is a
very recent discussion related to bedding the handrails with butyl.
Maine sail is one of the moderators of the site and he runs Compass
Marine. His site is a great site for info on sailboat projects.

Reef early,

>>ron singerman<<
S/V Serenity II
Nonsuch U 479
Gulfport, FL

On Feb 2, 7:38 am, "Joe Valinoti" <joesa...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Joe Valinoti]

Thanks, Ron, that might be the problem.  As it was done several years ago, I don't remember where I purchased it.

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

 

  

 

[Allen Ames]

After 10 years as Service Manager for a major sailboat dealer, I would not give 2-cents for anything "sealed" with butyl tape.  That includes hull/deck seals on some very classy boats.  Eventually, they will leak.  I always use an "adhesive-sealer".  No, silicone doesn't work either in the long run -- even when properly applied. (IMHO  )

 

Allen Ames

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Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:21 PM

Subject: Re: Handrail rebedding project

[Jim Falcon]

Which Adhesive Sealer would you use?

Jim Falcon

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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:51:10 -0800
From: allen....@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: Handrail rebedding project

To: ina-nonsuch-di...@googlegroups.com

[Mike]

Jim:

 

I used LIFE CHALK for my rebedding projects like the handrail:

http://biankablog.blogspot.com/2011/05/rebedding-handrails-part-3-remounting.html

 I also used it for my solar bimini frame and battery crane deck bedding. It has worked well for me.

 

Mike

BIANKA

1986 30U

http://biankablog.blogspot.com

 

From: Jim Falcon <jim...@hotmail.com>
To: ina-nonsuch-di...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: Handrail rebedding project

Which Adhesive Sealer would you use?

Jim Falcon

Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:51:10 -0800
From: allen....@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Handrail rebedding project
To: ina-nonsuch-di...@googlegroups.com

After 10 years as Service Manager for a major sailboat dealer, I would not give 2-cents for anything "sealed" with butyl tape.  That includes hull/deck seals on some very classy boats.  Eventually, they will leak.  I always use an "adhesive-sealer".  No, silicone doesn't work either in the long run -- even when properly applied. (IMHO  )

 

Allen Ames

From: Ron Singerman <rons...@gmail.com>

To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group <INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Handrail rebedding project

[Ron Singerman]

Allen,

With all due respect for your "10 years as a service manager for a
major sailboat dealer", when was the last time that you saw either a
Hinckley or a Morris have a hull/deck leak?

>>ron<<
S/V Serenity
Nonsuch 30 U 479
Gulfport, FL

On Feb 6, 11:51 am, Allen Ames <allen.ame...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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[Joe Valinoti]

We will be departing Miami the morning of the 16th.  Can't do dinner as we have to be in San Antonio that evening.  Is it possible for us to get to Gulfport by lunch time and would you be available????

Joe

[Ron Singerman]

Joe,

Just checked the discussion group and found your message. It would be
easier if you e-mailed directly to rons...@gmail.com . The 16th
sounds good. You should be able to get here by lunch from Miami.
Alligator Alley to 275 N. to 22nd Ave S. West to 49th St. to Del Rio
way left and follow signs to Boca Ciega Yacht Club and call me on my
cell (727) 348-3695.

Reef early,

>>ron<<

[Joe Valinoti]

Got it!  See you at 1300.  I'll be the one with the pony tail.  Will be checking my email daily also.