TANTON 33 OFFSHORE CAT KETCH?

[D J]

There's one of these for sale and I'm wondering if anyone has any info, thoughts, opinions of them.  The larger Tantons look well made and this one looks good in the pics.  A split rig could be easier to handle or give more combinations in heavier weather but it is a more complicated rig and more to go wrong or replace.  I'm wondering how it would compare to a Nonsuch 30 in handling and use. It has about a foot less beam but a few feet of added length.

[ernest...@gmail.com]

Nice boat !!

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Greg Silver]

I will admit to my fellow Nonsuchers that the main reason I have not moved up to a bigger Nonsuch than my 26 - which I have wanted to do for more extended and offshore cruising, is the single mast rig. There is apparently 1 only ketch rigged 36 Nonsuch ever built which would fit that bill, but I’ve never seen it for sale. If I won the lottery I would have a new custom 33 built with a split rig for sure (and a pilothouse). As an aside, I heard stories some years ago that Ellis and Hinterhoeller had in mind that the larger Nonsuches should be split rig - but the cost of that made it too pricy for the market.

I looked at a few different boats during my search and the one that I liked the most was a Tanton 43 cat ketch. I found one offered a few years ago in, Alabama I think it was but the owner would not budget on price which I felt was a bit high at the time. (I also considered the Freedom 40 - I have done a few Marblehead-Halifax races crewing on a Freedom 40 cat ketch - rigged on booms rather than wishbones. This is a fantastic cruising boat - even though it is a humungous and heavy yacht with that rig it is very easy for a couple of seniors to handle. Didn’t ever find one available in my price range…..)

Back to the Tantons. When I was considering the 43 I did quite a bit of reading. The designer was considered an outlier at the time these were introduced, but his designs for this, other cat ketches and other fore & aft rigs have proven themselves over time. I also learned that the original builds in Taiwan are considered first class construction. I do not know much about the 33, although I looked at the Craigs List post and this looks like a very nice vessel, pending a survey of course, the price seems very reasonable.

I’d be keen to hear if anybody has first hand experience with one of these Tanton cat ketches. I am out of that market now, refitting a vintage Niagara 35 which, apart from the rig a is a very familiar boat in many respects for a veteran Nonsuch sailor (Mark Ellis design, Hinterhoeller build).

From the boat shed,

Greg Silver

Misty Cat N26C, #121, and

No Rush, Niagara 35 #86

Cape Breton

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John Newell <newe...@gmail.com>: Jan 30 09:08AM -0500 If you are serious about blue water cruising, you should check out the Freedom Range. A 40' visited our island on the west coast of Scotland and anchored in front of our house. She looked pristine after crossing the Atlantic. I think her home port was in California. The long keel and fairly shallow draught makes her ideal for visiting out of the way places. The twin centreboards coupled with the ketch rig makes her easy to balance under all conditions.   Cheers,   John Newell Mascouche 26 C #! Toronto   On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:47 AM, <

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[D J]

You can't have too many boats, Greg!  Sounds like a fun project.  I like the Freedoms too but not many are around.  Here's a short video of one sailing nicely in some wind.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFle9YZCzLw    We're planning to look at some Nonsuch's this week along with the Tanton 33.  It will be fun to see how it fits.  I've read a little by the designer and they make an argument for a split rig. 

John, interesting about the Freedom cruising to Scotland.  Their getting a little big for us but I'll have to see what's available on yachtworld for fun.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-8, Greg Silver wrote:

I will admit to my fellow Nonsuchers that the main reason I have not moved up to a bigger Nonsuch than my 26 - which I have wanted to do for more extended and offshore cruising, is the single mast rig. There is apparently 1 only ketch rigged 36 Nonsuch ever built which would fit that bill, but I’ve never seen it for sale. If I won the lottery I would have a new custom 33 built with a split rig for sure (and a pilothouse). As an aside, I heard stories some years ago that Ellis and Hinterhoeller had in mind that the larger Nonsuches should be split rig - but the cost of that made it too pricy for the market.

I looked at a few different boats during my search and the one that I liked the most was a Tanton 43 cat ketch. I found one offered a few years ago in, Alabama I think it was but the owner would not budget on price which I felt was a bit high at the time. (I also considered the Freedom 40 - I have done a few Marblehead-Halifax races crewing on a Freedom 40 cat ketch - rigged on booms rather than wishbones. This is a fantastic cruising boat - even though it is a humungous and heavy yacht with that rig it is very easy for a couple of seniors to handle. Didn’t ever find one available in my price range…..)

Back to the Tantons. When I was considering the 43 I did quite a bit of reading. The designer was considered an outlier at the time these were introduced, but his designs for this, other cat ketches and other fore & aft rigs have proven themselves over time. I also learned that the original builds in Taiwan are considered first class construction. I do not know much about the 33, although I looked at the Craigs List post and this looks like a very nice vessel, pending a survey of course, the price seems very reasonable.

I’d be keen to hear if anybody has first hand experience with one of these Tanton cat ketches. I am out of that market now, refitting a vintage Niagara 35 which, apart from the rig a is a very familiar boat in many respects for a veteran Nonsuch sailor (Mark Ellis design, Hinterhoeller build).

From the boat shed,

Greg Silver

Misty Cat N26C, #121, and

No Rush, Niagara 35 #86

Cape Breton

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John Newell <newe...@gmail.com>: Jan 30 09:08AM -0500 If you are serious about blue water cruising, you should check out the Freedom Range. A 40' visited our island on the west coast of Scotland and anchored in front of our house. She looked pristine after crossing the Atlantic. I think her home port was in California. The long keel and fairly shallow draught makes her ideal for visiting out of the way places. The twin centreboards coupled with the ketch rig makes her easy to balance under all conditions.   Cheers,   John Newell Mascouche 26 C #! Toronto   On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:47 AM, <

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[Tom Schoenhofer]

I have to comment here because I had the pleasure of sailing a Freedom 44 Pilothouse from Houston to Tampa.

It was very fast and easy to sail. Not a wishbone rig but had 2 almost identical huge roach full batten sails on overbuilt freestanding carbon fiber masts. There are very few of these for sale because there were very few built.

About this rig -  you can balance it to self steer from upwind to a broad reach without an autopilot or instruments, and like a Nonsuch you don't touch sheets to tack and all lines lead to the cockpit.  

The pilothouse was nice and didn't block the view forward because the cockpit was so high. It had two wheels, one outside and one inside.

It's also big and heavy but comfortable and I'm sure it could sail anywhere. 

Tom

26C # 28

North Star 

Penetanguishene

[Bill Wickett N22 #38 Makin' Time FPYC - Hamilton]

DJ 

The Freedom 44 in the video was really hauling the mail. Thanks for the link

Bill

[Allen Perrins]

Hi

Could find no info on sail area for the Tanton 33.

Could find no data on displacement.

Assuming both are the same or close to the same,

I would put my money on the  Nonsuch 30.

Longer waterline, higher performance keel.

More beam, more room below.

Personal bias.

Split rig good, but more strings , more parts to fail.

Wonder how the ketch sails on after sail only.

Propeller not so naked.

Al

Ex Barbcat  NS30C

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From: D J
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Subject: Re: TANTON 33 OFFSHORE CAT KETCH?

You can't have too many boats, Greg!  Sounds like a fun project.  I like the Freedoms too but not many are around.  Here's a short video of one sailing nicely in some wind.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFle9YZCzLw    We're planning to look at some Nonsuch's this week along with the Tanton 33.  It will be fun to see how it fits.  I've read a little by the designer and they make an argument for a split rig. 

John, interesting about the Freedom cruising to Scotland.  Their getting a little big for us but I'll have to see what's available on yachtworld for fun.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 10:51:17 AM UTC-8, Greg Silver wrote:

I will admit to my fellow Nonsuchers that the main reason I have not moved up to a bigger Nonsuch than my 26 - which I have wanted to do for more extended and offshore cruising, is the single mast rig. There is apparently 1 only ketch rigged 36 Nonsuch ever built which would fit that bill, but I’ve never seen it for sale. If I won the lottery I would have a new custom 33 built with a split rig for sure (and a pilothouse). As an aside, I heard stories some years ago that Ellis and Hinterhoeller had in mind that the larger Nonsuches should be split rig - but the cost of that made it too pricy for the market.

I looked at a few different boats during my search and the one that I liked the most was a Tanton 43 cat ketch. I found one offered a few years ago in, Alabama I think it was but the owner would not budget on price which I felt was a bit high at the time. (I also considered the Freedom 40 - I have done a few Marblehead-Halifax races crewing on a Freedom 40 cat ketch - rigged on booms rather than wishbones. This is a fantastic cruising boat - even though it is a humungous and heavy yacht with that rig it is very easy for a couple of seniors to handle. Didn’t ever find one available in my price range…..)

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[Mark Powers]

Allan,
Check out tomdove.com

It lets you do calculations for boats or to compare boats. On a cold night you can see how the various Nonsuches compare to other boats. The Tanton 33 is listed as an Offshore 33.

Mark Powers
La Reina
Vancouver, B.C.

[Rick Oppegaard]

I crawled all over this boat for a few hours this past summer while the owner had it in the yard at Bellingham. I can tell you it's *very* well maintained and roomy as all get out. I was *this* close to making an offer, but once the excitement passed I decided to keep my 26C. Nothing against this boat though. It's well priced. Needs heat, autopilot and one or two other little things. The owner told me he always went to marinas and plugged in electric heater. Anyway, nice boat. The forward ends of the booms can be lowered with a rope and pulley system. I thought that was cool and wondered if I could make that mod on my boat....

Rick...

[D J]

We went about the Tanton 33 last week.  It's in pretty nice shape but like you say, a little on the bare side regarding equipment. On one hand, less to go wrong.  I think the main drawback for us was the mizzen mast in the aft center of the cabin with the drop leaf table forward.  It really limited my walking around room.  The V berth was fairly large with a pair of double bifold doors closing it off.  I think with the roominess in the Nonsuch and single mast, that's the way we'd go over this boat but it was interesting.

[Al Stu]

The ketch part is fine, cutter ketch even better. Sailed across the pond on one. The issue is the unstayed mast. There is no fallback when things go bad. Although on a regular stayed rig a stay may snap or a fitting release or spreader break, that isn't the only thing holding up the mast. At least the other tack will be solid, assuming you survive the initial failure. I have seen a couple of Nonsuchs in Europe so obviously they got there intact. However, you don't mountain climb with one line, jump out of a plane without an emergency chute, or put all your eggs in one basket. Unstayed rigs are really frowned on for offshore. Coastal is okay, maybe a day or two offshore at most as that is within engine range.
Alan & Tracy
Corvus, NS30C #216
Ashbridges Bay, Toronto

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