Gybing a Nonsuch

[jackj...@comcast.net]

There is always lots of discussion about the Hudson River Gybe.........Well depending on the velocity this can be a rather dangerous maneuver, but  necessary only in my opinion if you are racing......Other wise, always tack ...Ed  B , of Doyle Sails always has said this.  Ed is a respected source for this type of info....Listen to him.

..A Nonsuch can sail very deep, and by the lee, but in my view there is no such thing as an accidental gybe...Rather it is in my opinion a reflection that  you just are not at the skill level  required to know what could happen.     Sounds harsh, but believe me...It is better than having your head removed!     .Every boat has at least one feature that is  concerning....A Nonsuch has one major feature which is gybing...granted there are a lot of Nonsuch owners that are basically cruisers, that know how to sail and get around just fine, but who need to hear this message.......
Jack Lombard
"Bearcat" Nonsuch 30C #82.......

[Joe Valinoti]

An accidental gybe can happen to the most experienced of us.  Rogue wave, waves from a passing powerboat, sudden wind shift, inattentiveness etc.  I have had to do sudden gybes while cruising just to get out of the way of some other boater who doesn't understand the rules of the road and put me in danger leaving no room for a chicken gybe. 

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

 

  

 

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[coombsreg]

He who hasn't done an accidental gybe is like a kid that hasn't fallen off his bike

[Jim Cosgrove]

Earlier this year, after reading the story of s/v Revelation's accidental gybe in the Fall 2006 INA newsletter, I followed the article's advice and installed a padeye to split the load on the mainsheet attachment point.  I always pay close attention when sailing downwind, but stuff happens.  This modification may not have been necessary, but it was easy and could do some good.

I have done a Hudson River gybe in my 26, but haven't tried it in my 30 yet.  When I did it in my 26, I punched the turn into autohelm so that the autohelm would turn the boat while I could pay full attention to the mainsheet and make sure it did not get hung up on its way over.
Jim Cosgrove
FATE 30U #343
Galesville, MD

On 9/12/2013 8:02 AM, coombsreg wrote:

[don...@aol.com]

This may have been mentioned previously, but it bears repeating. When Gybing (Hudson River or otherwise) always make sure the sheet (all of it) passes behind (aft of) the helmsman, or anyone else sitting aft in the cockpit or on the coaming. If any part of it should fall in front of him he could wind up pinned to the coming, lose hat, glasses, and/or belt mounted cellphone, suffer rope burns, or worse. One wise former Nonsuch owner told me he always stands forward of the wheel/pedestal when making a gybe.

 

Al Donaghy

N26C #19  EllenM

Swansea MA

 

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From: Jim Cosgrove <cosg...@verizon.net>
To: INA-Nonsuch-Discussion-Group <INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:55 am
Subject: Re: Gybing a Nonsuch

Earlier this year, after reading the story of s/v Revelation's accidental gybe in the Fall 2006 INA newsletter, I followed the article's advice and installed a padeye to split the load on the mainsheet attachment point.  I always pay close attention when sailing downwind, but stuff happens.  This modification may not have been necessary, but it was easy and could do some good.

I have done a Hudson River gybe in my 26, but haven't tried it in my 30 yet.  When I did it in my 26, I punched the turn into autohelm so that the autohelm would turn the boat while I could pay full attention to the mainsheet and make sure it did not get hung up on its way over.
Jim Cosgrove
FATE 30U #343
Galesville, MD




On 9/12/2013 8:02 AM, coombsreg wrote:

He who hasn't done an accidental gybe is like a kid that hasn't fallen off his bike


-------- Original message --------
From: Joe Valinoti <joes...@gmail.com>
Date: 09-12-2013 9:21 AM (GMT-03:30)
To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gybing a Nonsuch


An accidental gybe can happen to the most experienced of us.  Rogue wave, waves from a passing powerboat, sudden wind shift, inattentiveness etc.  I have had to do sudden gybes while cruising just to get out of the way of some other boater who doesn't understand the rules of the road and put me in danger leaving no room for a chicken gybe. 
Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

  

[Joe Valinoti]

On my boat, the person tending the sheet is told to guide it, don't pull on it or force it anywhere.  Also, we position them in the cockpit forward of the sheet and they are told to not raise there feet off the sole to prevent them from stepping into a bight.

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

 

  

 

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[Joe Valinoti]

Or ever going aground!

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

 

  

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: coombsreg

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Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: Gybing a Nonsuch

He who hasn't done an accidental gybe is like a kid that hasn't fallen off his bike


-------- Original message --------
From: Joe Valinoti <joes...@gmail.com>
Date: 09-12-2013 9:21 AM (GMT-03:30)
To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Gybing a Nonsuch


An accidental gybe can happen to the most experienced of us.  Rogue wave, waves from a passing powerboat, sudden wind shift, inattentiveness etc.  I have had to do sudden gybes while cruising just to get out of the way of some other boater who doesn't understand the rules of the road and put me in danger leaving no room for a chicken gybe. 
Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

  

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  To: ina-nonsuch-di...@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:42 PM
  Subject: Gybing a Nonsuch


  There is always lots of discussion about the Hudson River Gybe.........Well depending on the velocity this can be a rather dangerous maneuver, but  necessary only in my opinion if you are racing......Other wise, always tack ...Ed  B , of Doyle Sails always has said this.  Ed is a respected source for this type of info....Listen to him.

  ..A Nonsuch can sail very deep, and by the lee, but in my view there is no such thing as an accidental gybe...Rather it is in my opinion a reflection that  you just are not at the skill level  required to know what could happen.     Sounds harsh, but believe me...It is better than having your head removed!     .Every boat has at least one feature that is  concerning....A Nonsuch has one m

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[Ernie Abugov NS22 #56 S/V Moustaches]

What I love about this site is how passionate us Nonsuchers are about, not only our boats, but our opinions on just about everything regarding them. 

Everyone who has weighed in on this discussion regarding gybing is absolutely correct ...  to varying degrees. In this case, tho, we are not discussing "a better way to tack", "a faster point of sale", "a better sail cover", " a difference of opinion on this or that minor detail", etc.

We are debating a common practice that, on our particular boats, strictly due to their design, is a far more riskier endeavour that can lead to really serious damage or, worse, mortal injury. And I must disagree with Jack Lombard. An accidental gybe can actually happen to the best of the best sailors - it depends on many circumstances.

In short, guys, of course one can gybe these boats but ...   is it REALLY worth the risk ??  I think not.

Ernie Abugov   Toronto

[Joe Valinoti]

A Hudson River gybe is a safe way to get on the other tack if done correctly.  Like anything else, tacking or just dropping your sail can lead to disaster.

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

 

  

 

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[coombsreg]

I agree with Joe, the Hudson River gybe is an important maneuver that can be done safely and efficiently with practice. Can be done in high wind and high sea.

Reg Coombs

1985 N26 #171

"Summer Wind"

St Jones Within

Trinity Bay, Newfoundland

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From: Joe Valinoti <joes...@gmail.com>

[Douglas Haas]

I have memory of a Nonsuch "old timer" telling the story of doing a
Hudson River Gybe, & a boat nearby thinking it looked cool trying his
own Hudson River Gybe.

Unfortunately the second boat had shrouds that we're somewhat angled
toward the stern that he didn't allow for.
I don't know if it's true, but the story teller said he took down the
standing rigging when the boom hit the shroud.

Doug Haas
Cat's Meow
Oriental, NC