I am thinking of buying a nonsuch 26 ultra.

[Ralph Paulson]

I have little sailing experience. Is this a good boat to learn on?

[R D Young]

Depends somewhat on what kind of sailing you intend to do but, in general, I'd say a Nonsuch would be as good a boat to learn on as any and probably better than most. They're simple, seaworthy and relatively forgiving (excepting accidental gybes). I'd say go for it.

David Young

Bay Cat, 30U #402

Freeland/Suttons Bay, MI

On Mar 15, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Ralph Paulson <ralphp...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have little sailing experience. Is this a good boat to learn on?

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[John Newell]

[John Newell]

You will find that she behaves like a much bigger boat and drives easily  so you don't need to carry too much canvas.  If you reef early, you will have a dry boat and comfortable passages without sacrificing much speed.  Please let us know where you would make your home port.  Her higher aspect ratio and more canvas for her size makes her a good choice for the Great Lakes where winds tend to be lighter in the summer months.  I have the original 26 and cannot wish for anything better for my needs.

 

John Newell

Mascouche 26C 1 (1981)

Toronto

----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Paulson

To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:46 PM

Subject: I am thinking of buying a nonsuch 26 ultra.

I have little sailing experience. Is this a good boat to learn on?

[Joe Valinoti]

In my experience and the advice I usually give to beginners is to first sail a small, one or two person boat to understand the effect of wind on a vessel.  This is the reason that most if not all naval academies  have sailing programs even though the graduates will be handling large steel ships.

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221 (1984)
Sea Harbour Yacht Club
Oriental, NC

PS - A NS26 is a wonderful boat

  

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Paulson

To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:46 PM

Subject: I am thinking of buying a nonsuch 26 ultra.

I have little sailing experience. Is this a good boat to learn on?

[Butch Garren]

I  am just about ready to accept the Nonsuch 26 that I bought recently. although I have yet to sail her, I think I made the right decision.

Two friends of mine have Nonsuch 22s and let me sail them. It was love at first sail.  I have owned and sailed sailboats from dinghy’s to major ocean capable boat, none of which pleased me as much as the Nonsuch 22.  I needed more head room than the 22 offered and I wanted to check out the 26 if one came on the market nearby. I bought the first Nonsuch that I looked at and believe it will provide the same pleasure that I derived from the two boats that I had experienced.  I cannot comment on the Ultra version over the classic version. I hope you have the options to look at both and decide, I  don’t think you can go far amiss with either choice.

 

Ed Bahniuk

N26C #92

Merry Bee

Solomons, MD

 

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From: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com [mailto:INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Paulson
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:47 PM
To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
Subject: I am thinking of buying a nonsuch 26 ultra.

 

I have little sailing experience. Is this a good boat to learn on?

 

 

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[Terence McAdams]

Hey Butch,

We shopped the 26 Ultra last year for a long time and really like it.  Much better than the classic and very easy to sail. incredibly roomy for the length, stable and dry.

We ended up getting a Cape Dory 31 for other reasons, but would highly recommend the 26 U for a beginner, or a sailor who doesn't want to mess with sail changes. 

Jenn and Terry McAdams

Kearsarge, New Hampshire'

Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia

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Jennifer and Terry McAdams

HomeAway/VRBO owners since 2004

Kearsarge, New Hampshire (1-603-733-5204) (HomeAway/VRBO # 3534990)

Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia (1-902-624-0790) (HomeAway/VRBO # 115804)

Floating Home: Cape Dory 31 "Glissade"

(Cell) 1-856-235-0738

jen172...@gmail.com

[Butch Garren]

Thanks Jenn and Terry,

 

Al Suydam, NS 22 #43 and myself NS 22 #30 are going up to Cambridge, MD shortly to sail down the bay with Ed’s new pride and joy NS 26 #92.  I am sure he will be joining our group soon or Al and I will make his boat (Merry Bee, named after his wife Mary Bahniuk) wear a jib. He’ll just have to live without the Ultra for now.

 

Take care!

 

[coombsreg]

Jenn and Terry McAdams claims the 26 Ultra is better than the 26 Classic but this is a matter of what purpose you are using het for, the classic is designed with a family of four in mind and the Ultra is more a couples cruiser

Reg Coombs

1985 26C #171

"Summerwind"

St Jones Within

Newfoundland

[Frank Anderson]

Hi all,

I figured Terry's comments might get the website lit up about the Ultra over the Classic, and sure enough I have to comment.

I have owned a !980 Classic 30 and a 1986 Ultra 30. I now own a 26 Classic. For my two cents worth I prefer the Classic over the Ultra.

Like Reg says the Ultra is more a couples boat. I could not invite four guys on a trip unless it was rotating bunk duty. The Classic has four bunks available at all times. You can also sit across from each other in the cabin for foul weather cocktails.

I also found that on the 30's, the Classic had more storage area.

Just saying,

Frank Anderson
Nonsuch 26 C #166
Winthrop, Ma.

On Sun, 3/16/14, coombsreg <coom...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Nonsuch 26 ultra.

To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014, 12:06 PM

[Jim Cosgrove]

Both layouts, classic and ultra, have their distinct advantages. As
Frank notes, I could take my family of 4 on my 26C, something I could
not do in an ultra. Moreover, on my classic, I had an extra panel and
cushion that bridged the port and starboard settees and could turn the
entire forward cabin into one, huge queen-sized berth that spanned the
width of the cabin. For us, that made our "classic" the ultimate
couple's boat! But the great thing about the Nonsuches coming in two
models, is that sailors have choice of layouts and can pick the one that
suits them best.

Jim Cosgrove
Morgan 26C #138
Annapolis, MD

[John Newell]

How does a mature 190lb 6 footer extract himself from the port quarter berth
gracefully on a 26C? I tried a night there once and that was enough. It
is fine for agile ladies and contortionists, but best for kids. The other
three are great for most shapes and sizes.

John Newell
Mascouche 26C 1

Toronto

[Ted Eedson]

Having owned a Nonsuch 22 Classic and now a 26 Ultra I agree with the comments provided. The Nonsuch is a simple boat to sail, just remember you have the same sail area as a boat with main and jib. Therefore reef early especially while you are learning. It is a very stable boat with lots of room. We chose the Ultra for the area inside suited to a couples needs. You can sleep 4 but must convert the table to a birth. The 22 operated that way as well. You will enjoy this boat as well as the association with other Nonsuch owners.

Ted Eedson

Purrfection, Nonsuch 26U #232

[Ralph Paulson]

Thankyou everyone. I still have much to think about. Seeing as how I live in Winnipeg and the lake is still very frozen I don't have to make a decision yet. I will continue to read upon these boats.. Again thanks for the input.

[Larry Thorson]

16 years ago I was in a similar little-sailing condition and bought a 26 Nonsuch. One of the best things I ever did. It's still my first and only boat. I sailed it three days this past weekend and provided a lot of fun for visiting relatives and myself. Also won a club race. The boat is simpler than a sloop to sail (and learn to sail). The challenges are maintenance. Sailing is a piece of cake compared to fixing the diesel and 12-volt marine electrics.

Larry

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Ralph Paulson wrote:

[Allen Perrins]

Hi

I have the NS 30 Classic, with acenter door to hanging locker and
drawers on each side.
Both forward berths have slide out mattress boards, converting each
berth to extra wide. I have the table rigged to either be on the
center line a la factory style or rigged to starboard. This opens
up the seating area for two or three to port and makes a trap
for stuff on port berth in a seaway or heeling on a starboard tack.

I like !!!!

Al
Barbcat NS 30C #170

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cosgrove <cosg...@verizon.net>
>Sent: Mar 16, 2014 6:19 PM
>To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Nonsuch 26 ultra.
>

>Both layouts, classic and ultra, have their distinct advantages. As
>Frank notes, I could take my family of 4 on my 26C, something I could
>not do in an ultra. Moreover, on my classic, I had an extra panel and
>cushion that bridged the port and starboard settees and could turn the
>entire forward cabin into one, huge queen-sized berth that spanned the
>width of the cabin. For us, that made our "classic" the ultimate
>couple's boat! But the great thing about the Nonsuches coming in two
>models, is that sailors have choice of layouts and can pick the one that
>suits them best.
>
>Jim Cosgrove
>Morgan 26C #138
>Annapolis, MD
>
>
>On 3/16/2014 5:27 PM, Frank Anderson wrote:

>> Hi all,
>>
>> I figured Terry's comments might get the website lit up about the Ultra over the Classic, and sure enough I have to comment.
>>
>> I have owned a !980 Classic 30 and a 1986 Ultra 30. I now own a 26 Classic. For my two cents worth I prefer the Classic over the Ultra.
>>
>> Like Reg says the Ultra is more a couples boat. I could not invite four guys on a trip unless it was rotating bunk duty. The Classic has four bunks available at all times. You can also sit across from each other in the cabin for foul weather cocktails.
>>
>> I also found that on the 30's, the Classic had more storage area.
>>
>> Just saying,
>>
>> Frank Anderson
>> Nonsuch 26 C #166
>> Winthrop, Ma.
>>
>> On Sun, 3/16/14, coombsreg <coom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Nonsuch 26 ultra.
>> To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, March 16, 2014, 12:06 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Jenn and Terry McAdams claims the 26 Ultra is better than
>> the 26 Classic but this is a matter of what purpose you are
>> using het for, the classic is designed with a family of four
>> in mind and the Ultra is more a couples cruiser
>>
>>
>>
>> Reg Coombs
>> 1985 26C #171
>> "Summerwind"
>> St Jones Within
>> Newfoundland
>>
>>
>>
>

[cfe...@yahoo.com]

Right on!

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From: Larry Thorson <miamibe...@gmail.com>;
To: <INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com>;
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a nonsuch 26 ultra.
Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 1:27:55 AM

[Allen Perrins]

Hi

Correction !

Table to starboard provides trap for stuff on STARBOARD berth !

Al
Barbcat NS 30C #170

-----Original Message-----
>From: Allen Perrins <barb...@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 16, 2014 9:59 PM
>To: INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com, INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Nonsuch 26 ultra.
>
>Hi
>
>I have the NS 30 Classic, with acenter door to hanging locker and
>drawers on each side.
>Both forward berths have slide out mattress boards, converting each
>berth to extra wide. I have the table rigged to either be on the
>center line a la factory style or rigged to starboard. This opens
>up the seating area for two or three to port and makes a trap
>for stuff on port berth in a seaway or heeling on a starboard tack.
>
>I like !!!!
>
>Al
>Barbcat NS 30C #170
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Cosgrove <cosg...@verizon.net>
>>Sent: Mar 16, 2014 6:19 PM

[Ernie Abugov N22 #56 "Moustaches" EYC-Toronto]

Hi Ralph -

 

I have several suggestions. I don't know where you are but, if I were you, I'd take a sailing course !!  Especially, if you can find one that is taught in small keelboats or dinghys (where you can actually end up in the drink). There are many schools and, boy, is it worth it. You will learn a HELL of a lot in one week (like how to sail).

 

Nonsuches are heaven. I own one of the last 22-footers built and it scoots around like a dinghy (with a KING SIZE bed and a civilized washroom below) - all in 22 feet. Nonsuches are built to go to war in - they have a great pedigree. They have ACRES of room below and in the cockpit. They have one, easy-to-deal-with sail. This means that once you get the hang of making the boat go, courtesy of the wind, you can play around with that sail to go faster (or slower) or use it to heel over less or ...  ??!!!

 

As David Young wisely remarked, watch out for an ACCIDENTAL gybe - it could do damage. If you are not certain what the term "accidental or flying gybe" means ...  ASK and be certain that you end up with a clear answer. Nonsuch sails are big and you do not want the sail and boom tearing from side to side wiping out whoever. Otherwise, it's a piece of cake to sail (a bit sloppily, even) and a great challenge to sail incredibly well (and fast on a windy day). I've owned two sloops (good ones) and a dinghy and I prefer my little Nonsuch.

 

Have fun.

 

Ernie A. in Toronto

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Ralph Paulson wrote:

[Jorgen Moller]

Hi Ralph,

To help you get up the learning curve sailing a Nonsuch, I can give you two pointers:

1. Buy a copy of Ed Botterell's 10 page booklet on how to confidently and somewhat competently sail a Nonsuch. For me it has been plenty worth the $20 or so I paid a couple of years ago after I bought my old and not very well kept  NS26. His email address is bo...@ica.net.

2. Join us at the 2014 Nonsuch Rendezvous at the RCYC in Toronto July 19 - 25. There will be a minimum of 40 Nonsuch of different sizes and models and many of the best skippers around. I hope Ed Botterell will be there also to share his extensive knowledge of sail making and sailing. If you book before April 1st as a fly-in the cost is C$ 335 incl HST. Have a look at  http://www.rendezvous2014.ca .

Jorgen Moller

PONDUS NS26 #33

RCYC Toronto

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Ralph Paulson wrote:

[John Newell]

Excellent advice!

 

John Newell,

Mascouche 26C 1

Toronto

[coombsreg]

There is a few videos on utube called "nonsuch why and how" part 1&2 and "nonsuch navy" that I found helpful when I was shopping for my sailboat, you may also find them on Eastland Yachts website.

Reg Coombs

1985 N26C #171 

"Summerwind"

St Jones Within 

Newfoundland

[matthewsjon66]

But :

0. The answer to “Is N26 a good boat to learn sailing on?” is “Yes, one of the best/easiest keel boats, and I highly recommend it”.

1. Ed’s short book is in point form, and will mean almost nothing to a non-sailor.

2. Although the July 19-25 Toronto event is an excellent opportunity to learn & buy a N26, it would be somewhat difficult to sail back to Winnipeg, and you seem to have a boat that you are considering buying in the near future on Lake Winnipeg; then ... if you give us more info concerning that N26, we will try to help.