Winch disassembly.

[Allan Maclatchy]

I have a Barient 19 self tailing winch on my 26C. The bearings
seemed loose so I removed it from the boat for servicing. Now I can't
get the thing apart. I removed the top disc OK but how do I get the
self tailing part off? Any suggestions.
Allan Maclatchy N26C Swale Ottawa Canada.

[Larry Thorson]

I found the following info from a Google search for Barient 19 winch:

3. Barlow/Barient winches are no longer in business, having been taken over by Lewmar 

who don't seem to offer service support. According to their website The Australian Winch 

Co (see http://www.arco-winches.com/barient.html) has obtained much of the original 

Barlow/Barient tooling and has all of the technical data and product information for these 

winches. The website also contains more winch service information and advice on 

dismantling when the original Barlow/Barient dismantling tools are not available.

The Australian website may have the directions you need.

Larry Thorson

26C Robin at home in Key Largo FL at the Upper Keys Sailing Club

[ted...@aol.com]

Allan,

You have to lift the entire intact assembly an inch or so, until the self-tailer feeder clears the central shaft. Then you can move the feeder sideways to remove it. Another way to put it is that you have to tilt the center of the feeder up a little and move it in several directions at once. It’s a bit of a puzzle, not a one hand operation, and be careful not to drop any parts, i.e. the bearing rollers!

 

Good luck.

 

Ed Cook

Chat-eau N26C #173

Middle River, MD

 

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[Allan Maclatchy]

Thanks i will give it a try.
Allan

[Phlzfan P]

Tap the self-tailer with a mallet. I'm pretty sure it unscrews in a counterclockwise direction lifting the drum slightly. As Ed Charest suggests, you must tilt the tailer somewhat to lift it off the drum. Replacing the tailer requires that it be placed in the slot at the top of the drum and then both drum and tailer slid down the shaft together. Then screw the tailer back on and tap it snug. 

Hope this helps, and be careful not to lose the tiny springs. 

Scott Paist

PiuMosso NSC #196

Rock Hall, MD

[Allan Maclatchy]

Thanks I gave it a good whack with a mallet and it unscrewed. Took it apart and found that the roller bearing is loose but not worn. It looks like there should be 2 sets of roller cages but there is only one.  Perhaps  it was assembled wrong or the upper roller bearing cage has been removed. I will try to get a spare part from our Australian friends but if that fails I will have a plastic bearing made from Delrin.
Allan.

[John Newell]

The springs on the Barient 19 are an odd size and no longer available anywhere as far as I know.  I even tried the Australian Winch Company to no avail.  If the winch is too far gone and not worth repairing (as parts are very hard to come by), you may find your winch parts sell at a premium.  Parts are available for other sizes of Barients.  The springs on the 19 are notorious for flying off when the winch is being re-assembled and nearly impossible to find when they do. 

 

Good Luck!

 

John Newell

Mascouche 26C1

Toronto

[ted...@aol.com]

That other (top) roller cage-ring isn’t stuck inside the drum by any stroke of good luck, is it?

 

Ed Cook

Chat-eau N26C #173

 

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[Larry Thorson]

Soon after I bought my 26C Robin in 1999 I lost one of those off-size pawl springs in a typical fly-away mishap. After a lot of searching I found a watch-spring-maker in Fort Lauderdale and they made me a dozen workable springs for the Barient 19. It's still the halyard winch on Robin.

Not long ago I realized that the smaller Barient self-tailer that was my mainsheet winch was not repairable because the pawl pockets were worn, permitting the pawls to flop about uselessly. I happened to find a similarly sized winch at Sailorman in Fort Lauderdale, on consignment, as it was an Enkes winch and Enkes (a Dutch company) has gone out of business, like Barient. I bought it for $350 (against many hundreds more for the Lewmar or Harken or Andersen), and am very happy to have a two-speed self-tailer to deal with the mainsheet. I wish there had been a second Enkes available to replace the halyard Barient 19.

Larry Thorson
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[John Newell]

On my 26C, I replaced the small Barient self tailer for the mainsheet with an Anderson 28 2 speed which was on sale.  I have no regrets on that score.  The  small Barient was relocated on the Starboard side of the coach roof where it has been put to good use and does not have to work as hard.  A year later my Barient  19 went to another 26 for the mainsheet. To replace it, I bought a new obsolete  Harken 42 on sale at a very good price to replace the Barient 19.  I would have preferred another Anderson 28 for the halliard, but could not resist the price.  It should see me through my sailing days.  I have no urge to use power winches as I find the Harken coupled with friction reducing strategies makes the loads when raising sail most acceptable.

 

John Newell,

[Allan Maclatchy]

Thanks for the advice. I do not need to disassemble down to the springs. My problem is that the drum is a bit wobbley due I think to the short length of single the roller bearing. I note that other models have two roller bearings.  From the drawing of my winch that I see it was designed to have only a single roller bearing cage, however looking at it disassembled, it appears there is space for a second bearing above the existing bearing.  I plan to have an oilite or plastic bearing made to fit the space.
Allan.

[Allan Maclatchy]

No, I looked.  I see by the drawing that it was designed to have only a single roller bearing cage. However looking at it disassembled it appears there is space for a second bearing above the existing bearing.
Allan

[Timothy Parker]

I discovered this site when I wanted to disassemble and service the winches.

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/indexes/winches.htm

Thanks
Tim
"Taliessence" NS30C

[R David Young]

Great resource. Thanks for sharing it.

David Young
Bay Cat, 30U #402
Freeland/Suttons Bay, MI

[Allan Maclatchy]

Thanks very useful. I see the Barient 19 self tailing 2 speed described on the website has 2 bearing cages while mine is designed to have has only one. However by the way mine wobbles it could do with two.
Allan