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Ronald Gruzinsky

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Aug 3, 2024, 12:48:14 AM8/3/24

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Anti-Cheat Expert (ACE) is a significantly more powerful engine than both XTrap and XIGNCODE3, capable of blocking most commonly available cheat tool. Integrated within CF China is also an improved Report system that allows player to capture short chunk of video clip do send to GMs as evidence, and these will be used as learning material for ACE to catch subsequent cheating attempts.

She doesn't have good reflexes, so she's slogged her way up to MR26, qualifying for MR27. She also plays a bunch of other single player games, half the time using cheat engine to assist in her bad reflexes... Because she'd rather enjoy the game than fail over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

She got banned from Warframe last Sunday, despite not running any cheat program at the moment. I've gotten a list of the programs she was running at that moment: Firefox, Discord, Steam, a visual novel, Nexus Mod Manager, Warframe, notepad.

To be given an ultimatum like this, I think it's sad that dedicated veteran players are put under the same scope as cheaters, hackers etc. with no consideration of their plat/prime access purchase history, overall game time, achievements and so on. Why throw everything away? It just doesn't make sense.

Anyways. Is Nexus Mod Manager now counting as a potential trainer/cheat/memory modifying program? I got word from someone slightly in touch with DE and was told that it *might* be the cause. My friend's updated the support ticket asking what was the program that caused the ban but hasn't received a reply so far.

Now, I'm not saying I don't trust the word of your best friend nor am I saying that you shouldn't trust the word of your best friend, but it's important to remember that unless you had complete and total access to all of the details and information surrounding the ban, you aren't fit to pass any sort of judgement yourself.

Playing Devil's Advocate (or the 'grain of salt' you should always take with any given situation), do you have irrefutable proof that those were all of the programs your best friend was running? Do you have access to the records showing what processes and executables were running at the time of the ban? Is it possible that your best friend may have had a program which could alter active memory addresses of currently running programs (such as CheatEngine or another type of memory editing software) that was minimized, off screen or otherwise not closed fully?

I know that there are a lot of memory editing programs out there, and I'm sure that there are plenty of players who have used such programs (your friend may be included). However DE is very strict about protecting Warframe. Issuing permanent bans for having any sort of memory editing software open is done so not only to prevent hackers from getting into the game, but to protect the game itself (from being decompiled, reverse engineered, etc).

Your friend can talk to support to get more information regarding it, and that should also provide insight into what not to do (or rather, what to make sure is closed and not running at all when the game is running). This is something your friend will have to do, as it's a private matter between them and support.

Having a "Zero Tolerance" policy towards having any sort of hacks, cheating mechanism or memory-editor is not uncommon; a lot of multiplayer games will nuke you on sight for having such a thing running while playing a game, and some games that use a cloud based anti-cheat service will nuke you from all of the games that run that service (like PunkBuster or VAC). The fact that DE gave your friend a second chance is a lot more than what other game companies would do.

You can but my stance isn't going to change on the matter. I'm not in a position where I can pass any sort of judgement and my opinions are moot since I am not privy to all of the details (and the details you provide me with would not be what I consider the 'full picture'). In order to provide an impartial opinion I'd have to be privy to details from support staff and your friend, neither of which I have (and neither of which you can claim to have with certainty).

Unless your friend downloaded some sort of memory-editing modification or script to run with a game that Nexus Mod Manager launches, Nexus Mod Manager itself wouldn't trigger the anti-cheat mechanisms of Warframe.

And thinking on it, it wouldn't be all that bizarre if a virus tripped the anti-cheat mechanisms. If your friend's computer were infected with a virus that messed with running memory, that could very well trip it. Your friend should probably run some virus scans and malware scans just in case.

Warframe's anti-cheat is very hair trigger. It doesn't check if it has been affected it will ban you for having a program that has mere potential to cheat with running. I still find that to be a bit absurd.

Actually Vac doesn't ban you if you have cheat engine even running. It will only ban you if you actually inject it into the game and go on a secured server. Most programs simply refuse to run or do an "untrusted" kick if you have it running because of how common it is.

Example: theres a prequel to Sekien no iganock; what beautiful people the prequel to this game was finnicky to run and required access to your memory to alter to allow it to be played due to using a very old vn system platform.

It is odd, I do agree with you. She said she's had NMM running 24/7 for the last few years she played Warfarme so unless she downloaded some new NMM mod into it that affects RAM, it shouldn't be the culprit.

She has been warned before to turn off her other-game trainers by Warframe's launcher. Sucks it doesn't do that now which places innocent players at further risk, feels like a layer of comfort/security has been taken away.

False positives will happen, there's no way around that. So the choice is between a mild policy that gives people the benefit of the doubt (= letting some cheaters slip through the cracks) or a harsh, zero-tolerance policy (= banning some innocent players). While DE and other companies are entirely within their rights to pick the latter, I can't help but consider it a d*ck move.

Yikes! Sometimes I program in Visual Studio for fun and leave it running in the background when taking a break... The Visual Studio debugger can attach to running applications and modify/reveal memory (to help debug of course! though very limited without source code or symbols). Note to self: Close Visual Studio while playing Warframe!