Google mapping party and related concerns

[Ashik S]

Saw this in today's mathrubhumi

http://www.mathrubhumi.com/php/newFrm.php?news_id=123843&n_type=HO&category_id=3&Farc=&previous=Y

I think we should tell the press about the existence of openstreetmap.org and
how google is inviting community to provide data to improve the quality of
their product. Once this data is handed over to google, it becomes their
property and modifying it is not that easy. ie. the community is going to
provide read only data ( read only for the public ) to google. The
openstreetmap effort [ openstreetmap.org ] exist to provide public read/write
data and can be freely modified. From a practical sense , this makes it more
easier for the public to maintain and the data is public and available to all
to copy and modify and distribute. The Chennai openstreetmap is an example of
community maintained data evolves in quality.

I request people on this list who might be participating in the event to
upload the data to openstreetmap.org and hence provide valuable map data to
the public rather than to a particular company. Google can take the data from
openstreetmap if they want.

Regarding the security concerns, i feel that it is kind of stupid since the
data is available for anyone from satellite image providers for a fee.

I think we should tell the press about this. What about sending the press a
note ?

--

aashik

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[Kenney Jacob]

I am planning to attend the mapping party if it happens.

BTW, let them do their event and let the interested ones participate, after all they are not doing anything illegal.

Kenney Jacob
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[Ashik S]

@Kenney

in that case would you please try and make available the data you gather so
that we can put it up in openstreetmap.org ?

[Kenney Jacob]

Let me know how to do it. I dont have any experience in mapping.

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[Kenney Jacob]

I am using a nokia E71 with GPS. Is it of any use in the mapping process ?

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[Sajjad Anwar]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com> wrote:

Let me know how to do it. I dont have any experience in mapping.

 

I can help you with that. We have been experimenting OpenStreetMap for sometime.
Please check the document http://geohackers.in/content/How_To_Organize_A_Mapping_Party.pdf
If you have any query please ping. Arky is in Trivandrum, if he is free, he can help you too.

Regards.

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[Sajjad Anwar]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am using a nokia E71 with GPS. Is it of any use in the mapping process ?

Yes. You can use it. There are applications like Sports Tracker. 

[Ashik S]

On Saturday 23 January 2010 10:23:14 Kenney Jacob wrote:
> I am using a nokia E71 with GPS. Is it of any use in the mapping process ?

Yes it is very useful :) check this :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Making_Tracks_with_Homebrew-ware#Nokia_Sports_Tracker

[Sajjad Anwar]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Ashik S <aas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Saw this in today's mathrubhumi

http://www.mathrubhumi.com/php/newFrm.php?news_id=123843&n_type=HO&category_id=3&Farc=&previous=Y

I think we should tell the press about the existence of openstreetmap.org and
how google is inviting community  to provide data to improve the quality of
their product. Once this data is handed over to google, it becomes their
property and modifying it is not that easy. ie. the community is going to
provide read only data ( read only for the public ) to google.  The
openstreetmap effort [ openstreetmap.org ] exist to provide public read/write
data  and can be freely modified. From a practical sense , this makes it more
easier for the public to maintain and the data is public and available to all
to copy and modify and distribute. The Chennai openstreetmap is an example of
community maintained data evolves in quality.

You are right. I'm quoting few lines from the Google Maps disclaimer here:
 
   "Geocoding data for map content in Google Local is provided
under license by Navteq... and/or Tele Atlas... and subject to
copyright protection and other intellectual property rights owned
by or licensed to NAVTEQ, TANA and/or such other third
parties."
    "Also, you may not use Google Local in a manner which
gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk
feeds of numerical latitude and longitude coordinates."

This was pretty thought evoking and we started to experiment with OpenStreetMap.
Let us say: "Our Street ; Our Map! "

I request  people on this list who might be participating in the event to
upload the data to openstreetmap.org and hence provide valuable map data to
the public rather than to a particular company.  Google can take the data from
openstreetmap if they want.

Regarding the security concerns, i feel that it is kind of stupid since the
data is available for anyone from satellite image providers for a fee.

I think we should tell the press about this. What about sending the press a
note ?

--

aashik

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[Subin Sebastian]

Is there any application like google earth for openstreet map?
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[Ashik S]

On Saturday 23 January 2010 11:17:45 Subin Sebastian wrote:
> Is there any application like google earth for openstreet map?

Yes. Its called Marble .

[Ashik S]

Should we go forward with a press note ? I feel that it is our responsibility
to do so .

[Kenney Jacob]

Instead of a press note in connection with google event, its better to give a note about openstreetmap in a general sense. Otherwise it will look like the community is bitching and whining.

Kenney Jacob
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[Sajjad Anwar]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com> wrote:

Instead of a press note in connection with google event, its better to give a note about openstreetmap in a general sense. Otherwise it will look like the community is bitching and whining.

Yes. After the first OpenStreetMap Mapping Party in NIT-C last Septmber, we collaborated a press release. But it was never shown up in the newspapers. Here is the document. This might add to the press note. https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AT5E_EU-f1GbZGY5dDRtNDJfMTFmZnFzYmRoZw&hl=en

Regards.

[Ashik S]

On Saturday 23 January 2010 11:58:00 Kenney Jacob wrote:
> Instead of a press note in connection with google event, its better to give
> a note about openstreetmap in a general sense. Otherwise it will look like
> the community is bitching and whining.

The note's context is the upcoming google event. We should be stressing the importance of openstreetmap and request people to upload the data to openstreetmap.

I am putting up a draft version here : http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/OpenstreetMapPressNote

If it is okay, then i can send it to the press today itself.

--

aashik

[Nithin Rajan]

Also, can we not make a concerted effort to get it up-to-speed first (in terms of the data).Right now, google has much better data.
Thanks,
Nithin
http://nithin-rajan.blogspot.com
http://themosquitoandtheyogi.blogspot.com

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ashik S]

> I am putting up a draft version here :
> http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/OpenstreetMapPressNote

Its a wiki. So feel free to edit it to suit our purpose

[V. Sasi Kumar]

On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 11:43 +0530, Ashik S wrote:
> Should we go forward with a press note ? I feel that it is our responsibility
> to do so .

I think it would be good to do so. We need to tell them that even
mobiles have gps now and they would have to be banned if such mapping
has to be prevented. In fact, it would be virtually impossible to
prevent such mapping.

Best
--
V. Sasi Kumar
Free Software Foundation of India
http://swatantryam.blogspot.com

[V. Sasi Kumar]

On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 11:58 +0530, Kenney Jacob wrote:
> Instead of a press note in connection with google event, its better to
> give a note about openstreetmap in a general sense. Otherwise it will
> look like the community is bitching and whining.
>

On the other hand, that could make them more determined to prevent
people from doing any kind of mapping without official sanction. And
that could become counter productive. And we are not really bitching and
whining. We should tell them that the technology freely available today
makes this possible, and the only way to totally prevent it would be to
have a kind of governance that goes against democracy.

[V. Sasi Kumar]

On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 12:46 +0530, Ashik S wrote:

> Its a wiki. So feel free to edit it to suit our purpose

For some reason, I am not able to edit the page. I am in Bangalore and
it could be the problem of the network here (it doesn't allow me to
access many pages, including watching Youtube videos). I will try later
also, but just in case I still cannot access the pate, I suggest that
the idea that I had written in an earlier mail also be included in it.

[Anil Philip]

Hi,

I have been following the discussions on openstreetmap.org. If there's
a good write up on openstreetmap.org with a Kerala perspective, we'll
carry the same on Kerala IT News.

We uploaded the Trivandrum Mapping story last saturday.
http://keralaitnews.com/index.php/news-outside-parks/thiruvananthapuram/740-mapping-party-in-trivandrum

regards,
Anil
Editor
www.keralaitnews.com

[Sajjad Anwar]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ashik S <aas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am putting up a draft version here :
>  http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/OpenstreetMapPressNote

Its a wiki. So feel free to edit it to suit our purpose

I have added few points. Please verify them, and include if worth.

Regards.

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[Ashik S]

On Saturday 23 January 2010 14:15:07 Anil Philip wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been following the discussions on openstreetmap.org. If there's
> a good write up on openstreetmap.org with a Kerala perspective, we'll
> carry the same on Kerala IT News.

Anil, thanks for the interest, We appreciate it

All, we should make use of this opportunity to create a collaborative writeup on OpenStreetMap and its applications from
the point of view of a resident keralite. Shall we start an article on Fosscommunities.in wiki ? Since it is a wiki
everyone can add points. Once this article is completed we can give it to Anil .

[Ashik S]

Any more changes ? I will take this to the Mathrubhumi bureau by evening

[Sajjad Anwar]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Ashik S <aas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Any more changes ?  I will take this to the Mathrubhumi bureau by evening

Let us take the press note to the public now. We can collaborate on a document on OpenStreetMap and pass it to Anil.

Regards.

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[Ashik S]

The final version of the press note is up at http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/OpenstreetMapPressNote .( Thanks a lot
Sasikumar sir !! )

[Ashik S]

The press note at http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/OpenstreetMapPressNote has been sent to Mathrubhumi and various
other newspapers

[Mahesh Mohan]

On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ashik S <aas...@gmail.com> wrote:

The press note  at http://www.fosscommunity.in/wiki/OpenstreetMapPressNote has been sent to Mathrubhumi and various

other newspapers.

Mathrubhumi has published the news.(7th page)


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[Ashik S]

Well , Mathrubhumi printed the response today. I couldnt find it online so i will send it later when i do find it.
Looks like the current convention in the media is to sensationalize whatever news they get. We had never expressed any
issue with google mapping itself, but with govt. departments involvement in it. The tile of the news was "ഗൂഗിള്‍ മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടിക്കെതിരെ
സ്വതന്ത്രസോഫ്ട്‌വേര്‍ പ്രസ്ഥാനം" , while we never expressed anything like that.

Quoting form the press note we released ( This doesnt read like anything mathrubhumi published )

"1. മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടികള്‍ എന്നത് നമ്മുടെ ഭരണഘടന നല്‍കുന്ന Freedom of Speech എന്ന അവകാശത്തില്‍ പെടുന്നതാണ്. ഇത് തടയുന്നത് ജനാധിപത്യലംഘനമാണ്. ഈ ഭൂപടങ്ങള്‍ ജനങ്ങള്‍ക്കു് പ്രയോജനം ചെയ്യുന്നവയാണു്. ഉദാ :
ഒരു സമ്മേളനം നടക്കുന്ന സ്ഥലം കാട്ടിത്തരാനും അവിടെയെത്താനുള്ള വഴി പങ്കെടുക്കുന്നവര്‍ക്കു് പറഞ്ഞുകൊടുക്കാനും സമ്മേളനത്തിന്റെ വെബ് പേജില്‍ ഈ ഭൂപടങ്ങള്‍ ഉള്‍പ്പെടുത്താനാവും. മാത്രമല്ല, പുതിയൊരു സ്ഥലത്തേക്കു പോകുന്നതിനു മുമ്പു് അവിടെയെത്താനുള്ള വഴി
മനസിലാക്കാനും ഇത്തരം ഭൂപടങ്ങള്‍ എല്ലാവര്‍ക്കും ഉപയോഗപ്രദമാകും.

2.സര്‍ക്കാര്‍ വകുപ്പുകള്‍ ഓപ്പണ്‍സ്ട്രീറ്റ്മാപ് പോലെയുള്ള സംരംഭങ്ങളോട് സഹകരിക്കുന്നതിന് പകരം ഗൂഗിള്‍ പോലെയുള്ള കമ്പനികള്‍ക് അനാവശ്യമായി പബ്ള്സിറ്റി കൊടുക്കുകയാണ് ഇപ്പോള്‍ ചെയ്തത്. അതിനു പകരം ഇത്തരം മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടികളെ പ്രോത്സാഹിപ്പിക്കുകയും അവയില്‍
നിന്നു ശേഖരിക്കുന്ന പൊതുജനത്തിന്റെ ഉടമസ്ഥതയിലുള്ള ഭൂപടങ്ങളില്‍ സര്‍ക്കാരിന്റെ കൈ വശമുള്ള survey പോലെയുള്ള വിവരങ്ങള്‍ പൊതുജനത്തിന് ലഭ്യമാക്കുകയുമാണ് വേണ്ടത്.

3. ഇപ്പോള്‍ നടക്കാന്‍ പോകുന്ന മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടിയില്‍ പങ്കെടുക്കുന്നവര്‍ അവര്‍ ശേഖരിക്കുന്ന വിവരം എല്ലാവര്‍ക്കും ലഭ്യമാക്കുന്നതിനും അത് സ്വതന്ത്രമായി തുടരും എന്ന് ഉറപ്പ വരുത്തുന്നതിനും വേണ്ടി ഓപ്പണ്‍സ്ട്രീറ്റ് മാപ്പ് വെബ്സൈറ്റില്‍ അപ്‌ലോഡ് ചെയ്യണമെന്ന് അഭ്യര്‍ത്ഥിക്കുന്നു.
"

Will send the link to the online mathrubhumi news when i find it.

[Sajjad Anwar]

2010/1/25 Ashik S <aas...@gmail.com>

Well , Mathrubhumi printed the response today. I couldnt find it online so i will send it later when i do find it.
Looks like the current convention in the media is to sensationalize whatever news they get. We had never expressed any
issue with google mapping itself, but with govt. departments involvement in it.  The tile of the news was "ഗൂഗിള്‍ മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടിക്കെതിരെ
സ്വതന്ത്രസോഫ്ട്‌വേര്‍ പ്രസ്ഥാനം" , while we never expressed anything like that.

Whao! Looks like they never understood who's against what!

Quoting form the press note we released ( This doesnt read like anything mathrubhumi published )

"1. മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടികള്‍ എന്നത് നമ്മുടെ ഭരണഘടന നല്‍കുന്ന Freedom of Speech എന്ന അവകാശത്തില്‍ പെടുന്നതാണ്. ഇത് തടയുന്നത് ജനാധിപത്യലംഘനമാണ്. ഈ ഭൂപടങ്ങള്‍ ജനങ്ങള്‍ക്കു് പ്രയോജനം ചെയ്യുന്നവയാണു്. ഉദാ :
ഒരു സമ്മേളനം നടക്കുന്ന സ്ഥലം കാട്ടിത്തരാനും അവിടെയെത്താനുള്ള വഴി പങ്കെടുക്കുന്നവര്‍ക്കു് പറഞ്ഞുകൊടുക്കാനും സമ്മേളനത്തിന്റെ വെബ് പേജില്‍ ഈ ഭൂപടങ്ങള്‍ ഉള്‍പ്പെടുത്താനാവും. മാത്രമല്ല, പുതിയൊരു സ്ഥലത്തേക്കു പോകുന്നതിനു മുമ്പു് അവിടെയെത്താനുള്ള വഴി
മനസിലാക്കാനും ഇത്തരം ഭൂപടങ്ങള്‍ എല്ലാവര്‍ക്കും ഉപയോഗപ്രദമാകും.

2.സര്‍ക്കാര്‍ വകുപ്പുകള്‍ ഓപ്പണ്‍സ്ട്രീറ്റ്മാപ് പോലെയുള്ള സംരംഭങ്ങളോട് സഹകരിക്കുന്നതിന് പകരം ഗൂഗിള്‍ പോലെയുള്ള കമ്പനികള്‍ക് അനാവശ്യമായി പബ്ള്സിറ്റി കൊടുക്കുകയാണ് ഇപ്പോള്‍ ചെയ്തത്. അതിനു പകരം ഇത്തരം മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടികളെ പ്രോത്സാഹിപ്പിക്കുകയും അവയില്‍
നിന്നു ശേഖരിക്കുന്ന പൊതുജനത്തിന്റെ ഉടമസ്ഥതയിലുള്ള ഭൂപടങ്ങളില്‍ സര്‍ക്കാരിന്റെ കൈ വശമുള്ള survey പോലെയുള്ള വിവരങ്ങള്‍ പൊതുജനത്തിന് ലഭ്യമാക്കുകയുമാണ് വേണ്ടത്.

3. ഇപ്പോള്‍ നടക്കാന്‍ പോകുന്ന മാപ്പിങ്ങ് പാര്‍ട്ടിയില്‍ പങ്കെടുക്കുന്നവര്‍ അവര്‍ ശേഖരിക്കുന്ന വിവരം എല്ലാവര്‍ക്കും ലഭ്യമാക്കുന്നതിനും അത് സ്വതന്ത്രമായി തുടരും എന്ന് ഉറപ്പ വരുത്തുന്നതിനും വേണ്ടി ഓപ്പണ്‍സ്ട്രീറ്റ് മാപ്പ് വെബ്സൈറ്റില്‍ അപ്‌ലോഡ് ചെയ്യണമെന്ന് അഭ്യര്‍ത്ഥിക്കുന്നു.
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Will send the link to the online mathrubhumi news when i find it.

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[Raru Rv]

itz here........

[Nishan Naseer]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Raru Rv <rar...@gmail.com> wrote:

itz here........

Isn't google maps editable?  

And the terms of service gives "the right to access and use, including the right to edit" 

Thanks,

Nishan

[Anil Philip]

Hi All,

Please check out this story -

'No fear mapping with OpenStreetMaps' on Kerala IT News.

http://keralaitnews.com/index.php/other-it-news/1099-foss/784-no-fear-mapping-with-openstreetmaps

regards,

Anil Philip
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