Re: Faculty Forum – Why CHANGE?

[kjai...@iitr.ernet.in]

Please correct, This will be second term fro me if elected and not third term.

Thanks for raising the financial misappropriation issue.

The issue is as follows:
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Staff Welfare Fund (SWF) provides loan to individual for medical expenditure and Grant in Aid to Institute bodies involved in staff welfare activity e.g. Faculty Club, Class C Club, Class D Club, Adersh Bal Niketan, Institute Dairy etc.
The Grant in Aid is given by Governing Body of Staff Welfare Fund constituted by the Director.
The Cheques were signed jointly by President Faculty Forum and Secretary Faculty Forum for SWF.
In 2002 Governing Body (GB) of SWF approved Grant in Aid of Rs. 150,000/- per year to Faculty Club for the salary of its staff.
Faculty Club was given Rs. 150000/- in April 2002 and Rs. 150000/- in Jan 2003 towards the salary.
Faculty Club account is maintained and operated jointly by President Faculty Club and Secretary Faculty Club.
Objections raised by some interest party in Faculty Forum were:

The Grant in Aid is given in the same financial year twice.

There were many committees constituted by GB of SWF and finally in 2005 Mr. G.K. Rastogi (present Dy. Register who had audited the account of Faculty Club, Faculty Forum and Staff Welfare Fund from 1996 to 2003 on the instance of GB of SWF) was called by administration (he left IIT and joined other place) to audit the account submitted by Faculty Club.

He gave his report that the money from SWF is deposited in Faculty Club account and all expenditures are as per routine practice.

The Governing Body of SWF constituted Dr. S.C. Jain Committee in 2006 to suggest the future course of action on the basis of available records.

Dr. S.C. Jain Committee submitted its report in 2007 stating that the money is available in Faculty Club account and all expenditures are as per purchase rule. Committee recommended taking back one extra installment of Rs. 150,000/- from Faculty Club, given in the same financial years and some Rs. 14000/- expenditure done on items other than the purpose for which it was taken from SWF.

Neither the Faculty Forum Executive (who raised the objections) nor the administration acted on the report since 2007. The report was proposed to be discussed in Governing Body Meeting of SWF in April 3, 2008 and then May 25, 2011. However copy of report was not placed. Also the advances were shown pending in the name of President Faculty Club. To implicate me the advance was shown in my name as President FC.

As per the latest Audit report submitted by Mr. G.K. Rastogi the account is shown adjusted on the basis of his audit done in 2005.
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Some interested party (now I can include you also) who where holding FF position from 2007 to 2011 could have used this report to implicate me if there was any substance. However this report was brushed aside and not put up in GB of SWF in 2008 and in 2011.

This year after tracing the report I placed in SWF for the first time to close the case.

For details of personal gain I have taken any, Mr. G. K. Rastogi who audited the account or Dr. Ravi Bhushan who was member of the Dr. S.C. Jain committee may be contacted.

I can see the frustration. But in your last mail you wrote that we should not be personal. Your this act is back stabbing. I wish I have face to face discussion as practiced in USA Presidential election along with you and your Sarkari team. If I wanted a term to get some favour from the administration, I would have used my last term to settle all issues as many have done in past.

CAT is required for this reason. The person who suffer because of not falling in line with administration has option of taking legal course without spending court fee.

Dr. Kamal Jain
Department of Civil Engineering
Indian Institute of Technology
Roorkee - 247667
Haridwar, Uttrakhand
01332 285465 (O, Fax), 285027 (R)
09760026284

----- Original Message -----
From: s4da...@iitr.ernet.in
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:55 pm
Subject: Faculty Forum – Why CHANGE?
To: facult...@iitr.ernet.in

> Faculty Forum – Why should we CHANGE?
>
> The President, Faculty Forum has indicated that he wants a THIRD
> term take-up pending agenda. Several of those of those are good
> points and we would like to see a more transparent administration.
> The primary role of the faculty forum is to provide that counter
> pressure so that the Administration is held accountable to act in
> an even handed manner.
>
> The way to go forward is to increase Faculty Forum membership
> strength and by building a consensus among us on all issues
> concerning us so that we can speak in one voice to the
> Administration.
>
> As an IIT we are blessed with a great degree of autonomy. We should
> exercise this autonomy to the fullest for the good of the
> institution.
>
> The first agenda point of the incumbent is to set up a Redressal
> system like Central Administrative Tribunal (CAT) for IIT staff.
> What is the purpose of this? Will we not be shackling the freedom
> we have earned at long last from being a University?
>
> It is an open secret that the incumbent has cases of financial
> misappropriation pending against him. The question to ask - Is he
> seeking the mandate for the third time to protect him from the
> wrath of the Administration? I for one believe that the person
> representing the faculty members before the administration should
> not be a liability himself. If he himself becomes a deadweight then
> there is little hope for the Faculty Forum.
>
> In keeping with the spirit of transparency we are asking from the
> Administration, I take this opportunity to request Prof Kamal Jain
> to share with us his travails with the Administration as probity is
> a necessity for high office.
>
> If you do not agree or find is response less than truthful – I
> encourage you to VOTE FOR CHANGE.
>
> -daniel
> (for President, FF)
>
>
> Dr. B.S. Sundar Daniel
> Associate Professor
> Metallurgical & Materials Engineering
> Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee
> Roorkee 247 667 (UA) India
> Ph: +91 1332 285751 Fax: +91 1332 285243
>

[s4da...@iitr.ernet.in]

I stand corrected – that the incumbent is seeking a second term as President, FF and not a third. I confused your earlier position of President, Faculty Club with Faculty Forum.

Prof Jain, please understand that Financial matters are in the open domain and cannot be considered as a private matter – particularly if they are public funds.

Thank you also for clarifying that “CAT is required for this reason. The person who suffer because of not falling in line with administration has option of taking legal course without spending court fee.”

My point is... should the first point of the new agenda of the FF be setting up a CAT… to rescue the President from legal expenses? Does that not sound selfish?

There is also the issue of computer course fees… but I will not press you as you do not seem to like financial matters.
I would also appreciate a face to face debate so that the members can evaluate for themselves as to who they wish to have represent them. But this time we seem to have to accept this email dialogue as the second best option.

As regards your Sarkari jibe, let me point out Jain saab that you are also a Government Servant. Soon after I joined the IIT Roorkee the Dean Faculty Affairs called me into his office and administered the oath where we promise our allegiance to the nation and to uphold high moral, intellectual and social standards befitting our position as teachers. Moreover, our salary comes from the MHRD. In case you feel that you are not working for our Government you MUST IMMEDIATELY declare if you are working for some alien power. :)

VOTE FOR CHANGE to have a team unencumbered by skeletons (leave alone ghosts) from the past.

-daniel
(for President, FF)

Dr. B.S. Sundar Daniel
Associate Professor
Metallurgical & Materials Engineering
Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee
Roorkee 247 667 (UA) India
Ph: +91 1332 285751 Fax: +91 1332 285243

[kjai...@iitr.ernet.in]

On election day no canvasing or discussions are allowed.

[kjainiitr]

On election day no canvasing or discussions are allowed

Kamal Jain

[kjai...@iitr.ernet.in]

----- Original Message -----
From: <kjai...@iitr.ernet.in>
Date: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:25 am
Subject: Re: Faculty Forum – Why CHANGE?
To: s4da...@iitr.ernet.in
Cc: facult...@iitr.ernet.in

> Please stop all this. Let some dignity is maintained.

>
> Dr. Kamal Jain
> Department of Civil Engineering
> Indian Institute of Technology
> Roorkee - 247667
> Haridwar, Uttrakhand
> 01332 285465 (O, Fax), 285027 (R)
> 09760026284
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: s4da...@iitr.ernet.in
> Date: Friday, May 24, 2013 1:27 am
> Subject: Re: Faculty Forum – Why CHANGE?

> To: kjai...@iitr.ernet.in
> Cc: facult...@iitr.ernet.in
>
> > Prof Kamal Jain:
> >
> > In keeping with the spirit of healthy debate we are having allow
> me
> > to answer you the questions you have posed.
> >
> > First of all I have never been a member of the Faculty Club, nor
> > did I take over after your tenure.
> >
> > I was the Deputy Chief Finance for two consecutive turns – but it
> > is not a post I sought after. (I only wanted to be associated
> with
> > sports in any capacity as I was into Athletics during my college
> > days) Prof ML Sharma was the Chief Advisor Sports and Prof
> Sandeep
> > Singh was the Deputy Chief Admin. We worked in the tenure of two
> > Deans, initially Prof NK Goel and later Prof. SN Sinha. We all
> > completed our tenures successfully and the new team was formed
> when
> > Prof Ravi Bhushan took over as DOSW. Presently Prof Pravinder
> Kumar
> > is the Deputy Chief, but I would have rather liked to see him as
> > CAS, but that is my personal view.
> >
> > The mandate for the sports council was to procure and get ready
> the
> > infrastructure for the XLVIII inter IIT sports meet. As a Civil
> > Engineer yourself you probably will understand best how difficult
> > it is to implement mega projects under our stringent purchase
> > rules. Nevertheless, we worked with a budget of a little over a
> > couple of hundred lakh rupees and added two 6-layer synthetic
> > Tennis courts + lighting, one 9-layer synthetic basket ball court
> +
> > lighting, FOUR fully refurbished hard coat plaster + maple wood
> > floor Squash courts with roof replacement + false ceiling +
> > lighting, Maple wood flooring for the badminton court, a new turf
> > cricket pitch (on which you have played with the Director as
> > opening bat), lighting for cricket practice, a mini hockey court
> > and shifted the athletic track to be symmetric with the LBS
> > stadium. The projects were delayed initially due to lack of
> > coordination between our construction division and outside party
> > and later the monsoon. But all the
> > works were completed before the inaugural of the inter IIT sports
> > meet. Nearly 1500 students (the largest so far) from 15 IITs
> > participated in the events over 8 days. All the teams appreciated
> > the infrastructure and the smooth conduct of the games inspite of
> > severe weather constraints. The Dean has placed his appreciation
> on
> > record. But let me tell you that the credit belongs to the sports
> > officers and student volunteers who worked tirelessly. The
> present
> > team has the mandate to improve the infrastructure in Saharanpur
> > campus with the approval given to place some repeat orders. More
> > importantly, as far as I know, there are no charges brought
> against
> > me. I have signed on all the bills.
> >
> > The executive committee meeting you are referring to took place
> not
> > long after the death of Prof Saxena’s father. He talked about the
> > reverence he had for his father and how he cannot even imagine to
> > sit in front of his father. On hearing that everyone found their
> > tongues tied. I decided to use a transition question and asked
> him
> > about how can we as teachers gain the respect of our students in
> > the increasingly career minded IIT context. I found his response
> > thoughtful. Later we presented the print out of the PPT and Excel
> > calculations we had worked out for Prof Saxena to carry to the
> IIT
> > Directors meeting in Delhi. I would not call that meeting a
> failure
> > as the purpose was only to hand over material to be considered in
> > the Director’s meeting. The failure to get a better deal has to
> be
> > handed to the better counter-negotiation skills of Kapil Sibal,
> the
> > MHRD minister at that time.
> >
> > I have no hesitation in asking a thousand pardons if that will
> help
> > me find favour. It costs nothing. Moreover, a forgiving attitude
> > allows me to carry less worries and gives me a good night sleep.
> > You should try it… it works better than pills anyday (or night). :)
> >
> > If you find my response satisfactory then do not hesitate and
> VOTE
> > for CHANGE.
> > Saharanpur Campus: 10:00 – 11:00 AM and
> > Roorkee Campus (KIH): 4:30 – 7:00 PM TODAY
> >
> > -daniel

> >
> >
> > Dr. B.S. Sundar Daniel
> > Associate Professor
> > Metallurgical & Materials Engineering
> > Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee
> > Roorkee 247 667 (UA) India
> > Ph: +91 1332 285751 Fax: +91 1332 285243
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: kjai...@iitr.ernet.in
> > Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:17 pm
> > Subject: Re: Faculty Forum – Why CHANGE?
> > To: s4da...@iitr.ernet.in
> > Cc: facult...@iitr.ernet.in
> >

> > > Faculty Club is almost closed in last 6-7 years after I left as
> > > President FC and people asking change took the charge in FC.
> > > Student Sports Organization was dragging and shown unorganized
> in
> > > IIT meet when the person asking for change was Additional Chief
> > and
> > > change recently before completing his term.
> > > In a Executive Committee meeting with Director, the protesting
> > mood
> > > of some of the executive members, against the stand taken by
> > > administration, in case of IV Pay Commission, was sabotaged by
> > the
> > > person asking change, when suddenly out of context he started
> > > praising Director and was asking tips to how to follow his
> > success
> > > path.
> > > ये जो पब्लिक है सब जानती है
> > >
> > > Already for mud slugging the person asking change has taken
> > pardon
> > > in his last mail.