IIML or Schlum

[Abhinav Sarangi]

hi all

first of all i would like to thank all the seniors and my batch mates for their help... but i m not done yet... i still need some help...

The thing is i have final admission offers from IIM L,K,I... of course i would like to join IIML, but i also have a job offer from Schlumberger Asia Services Ltd... in the Field division... in WesternGeco segment...

i like the job profile that they have offered, but i m worried that a few months down the line, i might not retain the exalted opinion of my job that i now have...

Also in the long run, i would like to settle in India... so would it make more sense to go for the job and then try for A,B,C or ISB... or take up the IIML offer now... i am ruling out doing MBA frm abroad because i want to work and settle in India... Basically what i m trying to ask is in the domestic scenario, how wide is the chasm between ABC and L... is it bridgeable...

So having a hard time trying to decide what to do... to take up the IIML offer or the Schlum offer... i m sure the seniors might have faced similar dilemmas or have seen ppl face similar dilemmas, so i am hoping they will be able to help me out...

Thanking all in anticipation of your replies...
--
Abhinav Sarangi
B.Tech (IV) year
Metallurgical and Materials Engg.
IIT Roorkee

[rohit choudhry]

Sarangi,
Even I prefer to settle down in India but I also want to work abroad for a couple of yrs, just to get some exposure. Now, is that also the case with you, or you want to totally work in India, & don't want to work abroad even for a few yrs?I think the answer to that question is important here.
If it is the former, I am not too sure if going to L would be the right thing. To the best of my knowledge, (and I may be wrong, so please verify) very few of the global offices of most big companies visit L. Some examples, Goldman - It visits L, but only for bangalore office (This was the situation in 2006, when I was an intern with GS, Bangalore. Sorry if it has changed in last 1 yr. ) . Lehman - Only Mumbai office visits L, & that too for only a limited set of profiles, equity research et al (My mentor at Lehman said so)
This is also reflected in the low no. of foreign offers. Now, some companies which are considered top notch even in ABC also come to L, (McKinsey, JPM & Citi are 3 I know of) and if u manage to get one of these, it would be great, but there are very few such jobs on offer.

If it is the latter, I think you can go to L as you can probably get to almost every India based profile with IIML.
Now, I started the above discussion on the companies even with my very limited knowledge about it so that others(seniors) in the group can take it up & you can get more than just very general advice. Absolutely no offence meant to IIML & plz correct me if anything I have written above is not accurate.

Cheers,
Rohit

[anuj jain]

ya to thr is differnce in placmnts in L as compared to ABC...but they hav improvd...at kearny, barclay,BCG all came for our summers...nd many for placmnts too...the placmnt senario improving since last yr...so i hope it wud so in comin yrs too..not sure abt goldman sachs info...but if u r good enuf...even u get profiles offered in ABC...so i wud hav gone for L unless u thinkin abt gettin loads of cash nd thn gettin to gmat....thts my choice...

--
ANUJ JAIN
IIM Lucknow,
Contact No- +91-9718228346
+91-9956851687

[Rohit Dangayach]

dude...i would advise you to talk to sreejan choudhary of my batch...he was in schlum for 3 yrs n then joined IIMB
he is in my friends list on orkut...mail him / talk to him somehow..he is not in india abhi...but will be reachable on gtalk / orkut
i c him online v often

--


Warm Regards,

Rohit Dangayach
Post Graduate Programme in Management (2007-2009)
G-203, Hostel Blocks | Indian Institute of Management Bangalore
Bannerghatta Road | Bangalore | Karnataka | 560 076 | India
Phone: +91 99169 50193 |Alt. e-mail: rohi...@iimb.ernet.in

[Abhinav Sarangi]

@Chaudhary and Anuj

Thanks for the info about the placement scenario... in the long term i want to settle in india, but i m nt sure about what i want to do in the short term.. will have to think over it...
and as Rohit has said one of his friends has worked for Schlum for 3 yrs and then came back to IIMB... so that might also be an option...

@Rohit

will mail your friend sreejan... thanks for the info...

i have changed my decision like 3 times since the last night... but am glad to get some info from all you guys so that i can take an informed decision...

Thanking You all...

2008/5/3 Rohit Dangayach <rohit.d...@gmail.com>:

[Rohit Dangayach]

@sarangi....sorry to confuse u further, but i also know of ppl who managed to get info companies ( I banks & consults) who didnt visit the IIML campus when they passed out...later your IIM brand & performance helps (IIM tag is important n carries weight)

so nothg is a clear black or white...spk to ppl who are somehow related to schlum / IIML / other IIMs adn then decide for urself...i know its gonna be a tough one...but life is never fair :)

[Abhinav Sarangi]

@Rohit...

Contrary to what you said, instead of confusing things you have made things more clear... thanks for the info...

about the talking thing, i have been doing that since morning... have talked to 2 ppl who r working in Schlum, 1 who was working in Schlum and has left and now wants to get into IIMs, and also a few IIM passouts and current students...

i m still no closer to the decision but all this talking has given me a platform to look at the various pros and cons of the 2 options in a objective manner...

Thanks and keep pouring your opinions... i will take the final call in a day or two...

2008/5/3 Rohit Dangayach <rohit.d...@gmail.com>:

[rohit choudhry]

Yeah, Sarangi, the point Rohit has made is very important. Even if you are somehow not able to get into a top notch IB immediately after IIML, you can probably start with a smaller company(say Kotak or Edelweiss) with the similar profile & switch jobs in an year or so, where your experience & IIML brand name will definitely help you.
After giving a second thought, I think I would like to change my advice from "schlum" to "neutral".

Also, Do talk to ppl who worked in schlum n later joined IIM about how much the schlum workex adds to you. You might want to talk to Arzi Adbi, our senior here in Roorkee, who worked in schlum & later went to IIMC.
http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=461208881325740557

Cheers,
Rohit

[Abhinav Sarangi]

@choudhry

thanks for the advice... thats interesting, the change in your suggestion...  will keep that in mind...

thanks for making clear the change in your opinion... i m sure it will help a lot while taking the final decision...

2008/5/4 rohit choudhry <choudhr...@gmail.com>:

[Abhinav Sarangi]

Hi all

first of all i would like to thank you all, Rohit Dangayach (for his prompt replies), Rohit Choudhry (for his honest opinions), Anuj Jain (for his IIML inside info), PDM (for a really long chat cum counselling session), Vishesh (for being graciously bugged by me in the middle of the night before his end sems)... and many others who took time out from their busy (or not so busy!) schedules to help me solve this dilemma...

It was a difficult choice, one akin to the choice between the Devil (IIML which is called Hel(L) ) and Deep sea (my offshore Schlum assignment)... ironic...

But keeping in mind my long term career plans and goals, i have decided to join IIML... so will be adding my name to the illustrious list of IIT+IIMians... yipee.....

P.S. - in the last 2 days, i learned my first MBA lesson, the power of networking, how ppl with the right knowledge and experience can make your insurmountable difficulties seem like a trifle, and how you need to find these right ppl by networking...  i just might enjoy my stay in Hel(L)...

Thanking you all...

2008/5/4 Abhinav Sarangi <abh...@gmail.com>:

[anuj jain]

welcome dude....see u soon at hel(L) ;)

[Abhinav Sarangi]

looking forward to it...

2008/5/5 anuj jain <anuj....@gmail.com>:

[Prakash Deep Maheshwari]

@sarangi,

Great that you could finally arrive at a decision. You're going to my hometown (Lucknow) and believe me, you'll love the city (if you do get time from your busy schedule @ L to go around). Best of luck !!!

--
Prakash Deep Maheshwari
Senior
Computer Science & Engineering
IIT-Roorkee

[Sheetal Sehgal]

@ Sarangi

its nice to know that you have finally made a decision

I wanna wish you all the luck for two great years ahead in iiml !!!!!
All the best!!!!

--
Sheetal Sehgal
B.Tech. IVth year
Electronics & Communication Engineering
IIT Roorkee.

Contact No. : +91 9897 043 884

[rohit choudhry]

Sarangi,
Really happy for you! I'm sure tu mast phodega L ja ke! 
Also, now there will be someone from our campus giving us A guys some competition in ghisai :P

Best of Luck,
Rohit

[navneet chahal]

hey sarangi,

   just want to wish u all the best for the future. i'm sure ur decision will pay long dividends for it seems to be a very well thought out one. sorry, cudnt help out earlier and good that i dint coz i probably wud have ended up giving u contradictory advice :D

i'm sure u'll do very well in L and it'll be fun to be part of the same batch of iims as the rest of us.

 

@rohit : preparing for th ghissai already?? what makes u think only L ppl can give u cpmpetition there. B is going to have the likes of prakhya, tauseef, and PDM. u better watch out :P

[rohit choudhry]

@ Navneet,
I didn't mean the amount of ghisai put in! I meant the academic load & kiski kitni Watt lagegi :P. Ghisai main to PDM n Prakhya se compete karne ka soch bhi nahin sakta main !!

[Prakash Deep Maheshwari]

I'm highly offended :x

[navneet chahal]

@PDM : u shud get used to this now :) i'm gonna be around to bug u all the time abt all the "supposed" ghissai u put in. and after all, we've got to keep up a good front in front of those there's-no-world-outside-our-dear-old-WIMWI ppl :P u are our only hope :D

[rohit choudhry]

Way to go, Navneet!

[Abhinav Sarangi]

@all...

people... you are supposed to be world leaders tomorrow... and you are indulging in petty fights about which college is better... surely, after 4 yrs in IITR, you must have realised that rankings don't mean a lot... at least we at IIML think so... ;)

@Rohit...
I have no problems with competing with you over this ghissai thing... but the 6 days a week, 8:30 am class... and the diabolic grade drop rule (where you lose 3 grades for going under 80 per cent attendance... heck i have nevr been over 80 in 4yrs in IITR) will be deterrent...

@PDM...
the man with a supposed IQ of 200... i lay down my arms... there is no competing with you... ;)

@Navneet...
thanks... yes it was a well thought out decision, but most of the thinking was done by others, i only did the listening part, which was not that hard... :)

And of course, good luck to all of you... wherever you might be going, i m sure you all will do well...

2008/5/5 rohit choudhry <choudhr...@gmail.com>:

Way to go, Navneet!

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:02 PM, navneet chahal <sophi...@gmail.com> wrote:

@PDM : u shud get used to this now :) i'm gonna be around to bug u all the time abt all the "supposed" ghissai u put in. and after all, we've got to keep up a good front in front of those there's-no-world-outside-our-dear-old-WIMWI ppl :P u are our only hope :D

[rohit choudhry]

are yaar timepass kar rahe the :)
And anyway, the fight was never about which is a better college. It was about who is a bigger ghissu !!!

Cheers,
Rohit

[Abhinav Sarangi]

@Sheetal...

thanks and good luck for your IIMA convert...
what i fail to understand is why would you want to go to a dry state when you already are at the 'land of pubs'... and the fact that you don't drink is not an excuse good enough... :)

2008/5/5 Abhinav Sarangi <abh...@gmail.com>:

[Abhinav Sarangi]

well then... it was no fight at all... PDM is the undisputed champ... in a good way... :)

2008/5/5 rohit choudhry <choudhr...@gmail.com>:

[Prakash Deep Maheshwari]

6 days a week??? bachche ki jaan loge kya???

Is this the case in all the IIMs? Seniors @ IIMB, please elaborate :(

[rohit choudhry]

@ Sarangi,
U fail to understand Sheetal, hmm. Then, I guess you fail to understand why I am going to IIMA also? After all, I drink & ppl in dual believe that I drink like a bottomless tanker :)

About Ahd being dry, well, ye India hai mere dost. Out here, Where there is will, there's a way!!!

[rohit choudhry]

Are bhai PDM, chill reh. B main 5 days hi hota hai, I am pretty sure!
Kuch extra class hoti hai kabhi kabhi on saturday, is wat i have heard! Same with A.
Ye L walon ki maregi :)

[Prithweesh Ghosh]

I have heard one can transport any quantity of Liquor from any state to any other, provided the seal of the bottle has been removed... Can anyone verify??? in that case A just might be as dry as a bottle of Dom Perignon???

[Sheetal Sehgal]

thats very true.....L mein 6 days a week schedule hota hai
1st year mein classes 1 o'clock tak hi hoti hain

but in 2nd year, they r upto 6......only if u dont get extra classes to keep u in the pgp block toll 9:30 :P
but the important thing is that u will have the time of your life sarangi

[Abhinav Sarangi]

thanks Sheetal for the insider info... they don't call it hel(L) for nothing...
well what can you do... like Julius Caesar once said, "The Die has been set."

i m nt sure about the alcohol thing though... i have heard ppl smuggling alcohol through state boundaries... but i would rather not be caught with an open bottle of alcohol in my car... :)

but as Rohit said, "where there is a will , there is a way.", and for alcohol there will always be a will... :)

2008/5/5 Sheetal Sehgal <sheetal...@gmail.com>:

[Sheetal Sehgal]

@sarangi

as much as i love talking to ppl when they r drunk at 2am and call to talk to about everything that doesn't make sense(has happened once or twice at IITR), I think i'm gonna go by the conventional "IIMA ranks above IIMB" and leave the final decision to fate.....if it gets converted, then A otherwise I was meant to 'B' !!!!

[Sheetal Sehgal]

you are most welcome...

and to tell u the truth, gujarat isnt as dry as u think it is
ppl have huge bars in their homes.....many many ppl.....
trafficking liquor hidden in ur clothes or with books etc is a common thing with students!!!

[Sugeet Miglani]

All these posts remind me of two very important things...

1. You get all kinds of alcohol in IIMC canteens (BTW... you can only carry a maximum of 2 litres of alcohol in the country, provided the seal is open)

2. We DON'T SLOG half as much in both years combined. :) :) :)

[avinash prakhya]

Hey Sarangi dude, I am really happy for ur decision finally.. I have been following the discussions so far but could never pass an advice myself for my own indecisive reasons.. I am glad u finally made a choice and I am sure u would do well... waise I would have anyday picked 6 days of l over 7 days of schlum :P All the best buddy !!

[avinash prakhya]

oye sugeet bond, i might want some advice for the B vs C thing.. it really isnt as big an issue for me as was Saarangi's analysis coz the conclusion from all the talks i have had is that B n C are one and the same.. But i would have liked to hear from you if there can really be a difference besides the chill factor for me.. would have called u if u were in India !! Lemme know soon :)

[Sugeet Miglani]

Chill factor mein huge difference hai... just ask any A/B guy... they wish they had as much time as we do... and baaki sab kuch (placements, etc.) is the same... so why waste time (and money) on B???  :)

NOM

[vishu]

Bhai lagta hai I am the only one missing in this stupendous
discussion.As far as liquor is concerned hum to peene ki bajay pilane
mein yakeen rakhte hain,so A people dnt wry mein hun naa .And @
Sarangi I am very happy for u yaar .Bas ab to Chak de phatte @ L.
and Ghissai se mujhe utna hi pyaar hai jitna ki pakistan ko bharat
se ,waise bhi I am very scared of Buddhijeevi kind of people.So I
beleive ghissai jaisi cheej se dur hi rehna chahiye ,aisi khatarnaak
cheej se PD ko hi khelne dena chahiye [:P].

On May 5, 6:20 pm, "Prakash Deep Maheshwari" <prakashdee...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> 6 days a week??? bachche ki jaan loge kya???
>
> Is this the case in all the IIMs? Seniors @ IIMB, please elaborate :(
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Abhinav Sarangi <abhi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > @Sheetal...
>
> > thanks and good luck for your IIMA convert...
> > what i fail to understand is why would you want to go to a dry state when
> > you already are at the 'land of pubs'... and the fact that you don't drink
> > is not an excuse good enough... :)
>

> > 2008/5/5 Abhinav Sarangi <abhi...@gmail.com>:

>
> > @all...
>
> > > people... you are supposed to be world leaders tomorrow... and you are
> > > indulging in petty fights about which college is better... surely, after 4
> > > yrs in IITR, you must have realised that rankings don't mean a lot... at
> > > least we at IIML think so... ;)
>
> > > @Rohit...
> > > I have no problems with competing with you over this ghissai thing...
> > > but the 6 days a week, 8:30 am class... and the diabolic grade drop rule
> > > (where you lose 3 grades for going under 80 per cent attendance... heck i
> > > have nevr been over 80 in 4yrs in IITR) will be deterrent...
>
> > > @PDM...
> > > the man with a supposed IQ of 200... i lay down my arms... there is no
> > > competing with you... ;)
>
> > > @Navneet...
> > > thanks... yes it was a well thought out decision, but most of the
> > > thinking was done by others, i only did the listening part, which was not
> > > that hard... :)
>
> > > And of course, good luck to all of you... wherever you might be going, i
> > > m sure you all will do well...
>

> > > 2008/5/5 rohit choudhry <choudhry.ro...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > Way to go, Navneet!
>
> > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:02 PM, navneet chahal <sophie.i...@gmail.com>

[kautilya pandey]

hey sarangi....
gr8 to c u hv finally md up ur mind to join IIM L....the Schlum ppl r really going to b pissed dis tm around :D....anyways.....finally.....accept my congrats (which i hd been holding bk fr the past fw days :P )

@ sugeet sir
thnx fr dis wonderful info.....(i m nt sure whether u know or not so i will tell u... I have gt a final caal fr PGDCM course in IIM C.)

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Sugeet Miglani <sugeet....@gmail.com> wrote:

Chill factor mein huge difference hai... just ask any A/B guy... they wish they had as much time as we do... and baaki sab kuch (placements, etc.) is the same... so why waste time (and money) on B???  :)

NOM

--
Kautilya
B-tech 4th yr
Metallurgical and Materials Engineering
IIT Roorkee

[avinash prakhya]

@ kautilya : dude u r talking abt schlum , u better think of Lehman !! 3 out of 4 not joining !! i jus hope they come back next yr :o waise congrats :)

[avinash prakhya]

@ sugeet : Have already taken the chill effect into account.. was lukin for more reasons.. but as u say i sure knw thts already a Big enuf reason.. Thanks !! Enjoy abroad :)

[Abhinav Sarangi]

@Prakhya, Kochar and Kautilya...

Thanks for your wishes (even the belated ones like Kauti's :)...)
hoping this continue the glorious (???) IITR tradition in IIML...

2008/5/5 avinash prakhya <avinash...@gmail.com>:

[kautilya pandey]

oho....completely fg8 about dat.....u guys win hands down :P ( all d best to my juniors)
anyways....thnx n congrtas to u too....

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 9:19 PM, avinash prakhya <avinash...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Abhishek Bansal]

I thought a reply was needed for my 'chill'-IITR-mate (oh sorry, IIM-mate now) but my dual-degree-IITR-mate has already conveyed the opinion he has formed in "was lukin for more reasons.."

Thanks Prakhya, I like your subtlety :D

'C'ute regards!

--
Abhishek Bansal
PGP-1, Class of 2009
IIM Bangalore.
Ph:. +91 99169 50145

[Ankit Kapoor]

Arre main P sa'ab ko keh raha hoon C chalo.. Tum hi samjhao ise.

[Prithweesh Ghosh]

Kaptaan... tum kisko bol rahe ho?? samjhane ko???
--
Prithweesh Ghosh

[Rohit Dangayach]

I agree that C is chill...n C ppl dont slog half as much (but they also miss some of the depth associated with slogging...if that matters at all)
placements are also similar @ ABC
but what matters is the overall experience
Not coz its A or anythg else, I wanted it for some stupid reason (it is not a gal)... but i am glad that I landed up @ B
I m sure that the kinda life we have at B is the best...slogging becomes a part of it..as they say, Roses & thorns come in a package
If someone is to decide b'w ABC, talk to someone who passed out from these instis some 5-6 yrs back, iff they can give u a neutral opinion and if you also know them closely....wont say anythg more than this

as regards liquor, I used to take it for my frds@ L&T Baroda in the Delhi Baroda flight..never had a problem... but i heard from someone that they check on the railway stations n u might not like to be caught with it

you can manage to get some brands@A...why unnecessarily take a chance n carry it urself!

@B you get all in the campus...we have some block party or sthg almost everyday...else right opposite the main gate...the shop that thrives on B and had assumed that there were ard 2000-3000 students inside the campus who consume what goes inside the B campus ;)

its a pretty open n mature campus where such thgs are just normal...L2s are rocking
@B...its work hard n party harder

agree that @C, liquor is available in the canteen

Rohit

PS - I dont wana start anythg on A vs B vs C vs L

--


Warm Regards,

Rohit Dangayach
Post Graduate Programme in Management (2007-2009)
G-203, Hostel Blocks | Indian Institute of Management Bangalore
Bannerghatta Road | Bangalore | Karnataka | 560 076 | India
Phone: +91 99169 50193 |Alt. e-mail: rohi...@iimb.ernet.in

[Sugeet Miglani]

@ Prakhya... looks like you've made your decision. all the best dude.

@ Rohit... I never wanted to get into this C vs B vs A thing myself. I am pretty sure that everyone has a great time at all the 3, or rather 4 or even at any of the B-schools. Its just that there is a limit to the amount of crap (like the 'bhai-bhai' thing or 'looking for more reasons' jibe) that you can take.

NOM

[Sugeet Miglani]

@ Bansal... grow up and cut the crap, pal... IIMB isn't that different from C or A or L or whatever (although we all try to show our college in the best light possible; and won't stop anytime soon).

[Sugeet Miglani]

and yes, we might be "chill" compared to A or B or L... but its not exactly a picnic in the park... we put in plenty of hard work and I guess the results of the past 47 years speak for themselves...

at the end of the day, it's all relative... so if you guys out in 18 hour days and we manage only 14, doesn't mean we are no good...

or putting this is a really offensive manner (no offense meant to any person or institute), maybe we can achieve the same amount by putting in fewer hours...

~~~just think about this~~~

[Ankit Kapoor]

Whaaaat, 14 hours a day :(:(
This is extremely scary...

Aur P sa'ab kahan ja rahe hai?? maine to C aane ko kaha tha.

[Sugeet Miglani]

There will be times (plenty of them) when you have to do that... esp till placements get over... :) or :(  whichever way you want to look at it...

and 14 hours was just an example... dunno abt A and B junta, but me thinks even they don't put in that kind of time on a regular basis...

[avinash prakhya]

ohh man this has turned out to be a battle of instis.. relax folks.. it doesnt need an IIM insider to say A B and C are all really good.

@ Bansal : Dude there was no subtlety or sarcasm in my reply to Sugeet and I am really confused and would have liked to hear more than the Chill ground comparision.

@ Sugeet : Honestly I haven't made a decision yet though I am partially inclined to join B as its close to my place and the weather is awesome.. Nothing beyond those reasons, and I would still like to hear from you if I can gain an edge if I join Cal. maybe on the academics front or others ..

@ Ankit :  Kaptaan saab aap to kahin bhi jao phod doge .. u will be the first person i will tell my final decision :P

Hope all subtle offenses end here and we get some more gyan to share.

Truce !!

[Prithweesh Ghosh]

Now we know why he's called P saab... :D
--
Prithweesh Ghosh

[avinash prakhya]

Have had a decently long conversation with RC and Manu the other day.. though RCs never been in B or C himself he's kinda gave me a very useful analysis and comparision.. Manu's told me the B story total inside out.. isliye I was lukin for some gyan related to C.. Thanks a lot dudes..

@ Sugeet: If it suits you then gimme a chat id and time so that i can chat with you sometime as this B vs C issue seems to be an exclusive issue with me

Cheers !!!

[Abhishek Bansal]

Well, that's the beauty of IIMs! No one can hear anything against his/her insti :) All my responses were in 'reply' to the instigating mails and were not initiated.

And at the end of the day, the fact remains that: one who wants to put 14 or 16 hrs daily, would do so; and one who doesn't want to, won't put in! Its individual's choice. As far as placements go, that again depends entirely on the person. Once you get into A/B/C or any IIM, you would again feel the "pressure" of summer placements, final placements, acads, etc. Meaning - Even if you get into A,B or C, you won't feel yourself into a comfort zone that "placement toh ho hi jayegi, this bank or that bank I would surely get..", neither would you feel easy if you join C versus if you join A or B. As in, all of us would agree that 'firms coming to campus' is 1 thing, to get into that firm is in your hand not the insti's. So, have a talk with more and more people, take your call and land in your desired B-school :D (kidding..!)

And you would surely enjoy your stay either you go to A,B,C or any IIM, I can assure you that! I enjoyed being in IITR so much and enjoying the stay in B as well. And same holds true for Sugeet, Chaudhary, Anuj and others as well..

Regards,
Abhi..shek

[Rahul Chaudhary]

Hey guys,

Now that all the gyaan has already been given away by my most esteemed
colleagues, I find that there is no real need to post here.
Nevertheless, anyone who has a lot of free time on hand can read on:

1. I'll not get into A vs B vs C debate cos it is a never ending one.
Whatever choice you make, try and ensure that you have complete
information. For instance, I saw on some guy's scrapbook on orkut:
"See yaar...I always was Finance focused. C was the natural choice for
me" and the likes.
It amazes me how people can make such statements about one of the most
important choices of their life with almost no information at all.

2. SLB versus IIM(X): Even though the decision has been made, my two
cents: Faced this myself and had a similar offer like Sarangi (I
believe you havent got the offer letter yet cos the salary figure is
gonna make the choice even more difficult :P ). I decided against the
job cos of two reasons: One, wanted to stay in India (GMAT option
ruled out) and two, wasnt sure of cracking CAT again :D
@Sarangi...That must have been a tough decision but now that you have
made it, back urself. As Anuj mentioned, McK, BCG, ATK all visit the
campus for summers. Ample opportunities are there in L...its upto u to
grab them.

3. @batch of 2007-09: I thought we could use more discretion in saying
stuff here. This forum was never meant for this purpose of banter
(harmless or otherwise). Such a thing never happened last year...cant
see what has change this year. All of us remember the circumstances in
which we made choices last year...the last thing we would wanna see is
a set of baseless arguments flying around in the name of upholding the
name of one's institute. We all know how good ABCLIK are: the three
letter prefix before their name will tell us that if their umpteen-
year old history cant. Give people facts and let them take a decision.
Exhibit A:

Teaching methodology (apologies for choice of topic but the major
difference lies here):
IIMA uses the case-based method of teaching where all concepts are
delivered through real business situations framed as cases. IIMA uses
cases for almost all subjects except Economics which is more
conventional text book sort of teaching. Its quite interesting how
fundamentals of a subject like Managerial accounting can be delivered
thru cases. I have absolutely loved it.
IIMC, on the other hand, follows the conventional textbook approach
for most subjects (cases are obviously used but to a much lesser
extent). Sugeet, correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe the stress
is much more on the quantitative side of things. Maybe you can share
some examples here if guys are interested.
I dont have much info about the curriculum at IIMB but I heard they
have an interesting way of teaching accounting(FINAC is it?): thru a
game of monopoly. Bansal and co.: englighten.

By the nature of teaching methodology in these places, academic rigor
is different. At IIMA, you have to put in a little more since you not
only have to study the concepts but also internalise the learnings
from cases. However, the rigor continues only for the 1st term. After
that, its much more chilled out. At IIMC, life is probably a little
more chill but I saw Sugeet up many times at 4 am in the morning
during 1st term (mere observation, no inferences mind u :P) Again, not
too much about IIMB is known to me.

Now that I have bored you to death, lemme address the few who have
been lucky to get this far on my post and stupid not to get off in the
middle:
ALL kinds of liquor, mind you, ALL kinds are available at IIMA campus.
There is room delivery and obviously u have to pay a premium for
drinking in a dry state (still less than most upmarket pubs in
Bangalore :P ). Let that not be a concern while choosing your
destination.

To conclude, wherever you may go: two years later, you're gonna sing
the same song of having the time of your life...so chill out.

Regards,
Rahul

On May 6, 7:41 pm, "Abhishek Bansal" <abhishek85b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, that's the beauty of IIMs! No one can hear anything against his/her
> insti :) All my responses were in 'reply' to the instigating mails and were
> not initiated.
>
> And at the end of the day, the fact remains that: one who wants to put 14 or
> 16 hrs daily, would do so; and one who doesn't want to, won't put in! Its
> individual's choice. As far as placements go, that again depends entirely on
> the person. Once you get into A/B/C or any IIM, you would again feel the
> "pressure" of summer placements, final placements, acads, etc. Meaning -
> Even if you get into A,B or C, you won't feel yourself into a comfort zone
> that "placement toh ho hi jayegi, this bank or that bank I would surely
> get..", neither would you feel easy if you join C versus if you join A or B.
> As in, all of us would agree that 'firms coming to campus' is 1 thing, to
> get into that firm is in your hand not the insti's. So, have a talk with
> more and more people, take your call and land in your desired B-school :D
> (kidding..!)
>
> And you would surely enjoy your stay either you go to A,B,C or any IIM, I
> can assure you that! I enjoyed being in IITR so much and enjoying the stay
> in B as well. And same holds true for Sugeet, Chaudhary, Anuj and others as
> well..
>
> Regards,
> Abhi..shek
>

> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:20 PM, avinash prakhya <avinashprak...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Have had a decently long conversation with RC and Manu the other day..
> > though RCs never been in B or C himself he's kinda gave me a very useful
> > analysis and comparision.. Manu's told me the B story total inside out..
> > isliye I was lukin for some gyan related to C.. Thanks a lot dudes..
>
> > @ Sugeet: If it suits you then gimme a chat id and time so that i can chat
> > with you sometime as this B vs C issue seems to be an exclusive issue with
> > me
>
> > Cheers !!!
>

> > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM, avinash prakhya <avinashprak...@gmail.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > > ohh man this has turned out to be a battle of instis.. relax folks.. it
> > > doesnt need an IIM insider to say A B and C are all really good.
>
> > > @ Bansal : Dude there was no subtlety or sarcasm in my reply to Sugeet
> > > and I am really confused and would have liked to hear more than the Chill
> > > ground comparision.
>
> > > @ Sugeet : Honestly I haven't made a decision yet though I am partially
> > > inclined to join B as its close to my place and the weather is awesome..
> > > Nothing beyond those reasons, and I would still like to hear from you if I
> > > can gain an edge if I join Cal. maybe on the academics front or others ..
>
> > > @ Ankit :  Kaptaan saab aap to kahin bhi jao phod doge .. u will be the
> > > first person i will tell my final decision :P
>
> > > Hope all subtle offenses end here and we get some more gyan to share.
>
> > > Truce !!
>

> > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Sugeet Miglani <sugeet.migl...@gmail.com>

> > > wrote:
>
> > > > and yes, we might be "chill" compared to A or B or L... but its not
> > > > exactly a picnic in the park... we put in plenty of hard work and I guess
> > > > the results of the past 47 years speak for themselves...
>
> > > > at the end of the day, it's all relative... so if you guys out in 18
> > > > hour days and we manage only 14, doesn't mean we are no good...
>
> > > > or putting this is a really offensive manner (no offense meant to any
> > > > person or institute), maybe we can achieve the same amount by putting in
> > > > fewer hours...
>
> > > > ~~~just think about this~~~
>
> --
> Abhishek Bansal
> PGP-1, Class of 2009
> IIM Bangalore.

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[Abhinav Sarangi]

@Rahul

it was a tough decision, but the fact that i wanted to stay and work in India (GMAT ruled out) and was not sure of cracking CAT again, made the choice easier...

It is heartening to know that after analysing all the info that i had and thinking about what i wanted to do with my life, i came to more or less the same conclusion as you did last year, good to know that i am in good company... hoping that come November McK also feels the same... :)

2008/5/7 Rahul Chaudhary <raul...@gmail.com>:

[Rohit Dangayach]

B is also case based n thats the reason why you need extra time to prepare for the next day's classes. Subject like quant also have cases n its pretty interesting to c how they make us learn thru cases. Students are also expected to read the books themselves before coming for the class and surprise quizzes have been put into place to ensure that :(

you guys are right...monopoly game was also a part of curriculum for Fin Actg n it was gr8 fun :)

can we have a separate thread for specific issues like helping u decide....IIML vs Schlum is over i guess :D

and lemme reiterate the fact that ABCL would hardly matter...what would is your performance relative to your batch and you may decide what you want to put in based on what you want out of it!

[Rahul Chaudhary]

@Rohit

Dont quite agree with your last statement when you say only your effort measured relative to your batch will decide where you land up. To substantiate my point, two reasons: one, some companies are still exclusive recruiters at specific campuses (atleast I know of 3 such companies visiting A). So no matter where you stand wrt to your batch, you simply cant change who visits your campus. Two, a lot of companies have an absolute bar apart from the usual relative one. So if nobody qualifies, nobody qualifies...Again, I have examples of two-three such firms over past three year across slots.

 

Hence, its not totally correct to say tht the choice of campus wont matter. However, all we're talking of right now was the first job from campus and not one's whole career trajectory. If somebody is good, he will definitely move to the best place purely due to market forces. How long that takes and how much effort that takes, is another debate altogether.

 

All said and done, what will not matter is the amount of fun you have or the way you will love your college. Whether its the 6-day gruelling schedule at L, the sound of JBS BaroC playing in the background at C, the never-boring L-square parties at B or the midnight frisbee match knowing there's quiz next day at A....when we look back two years later, the feeling is gonna be pretty similar.

 

Regards,

Rahul

 

PS: Is there noone joining I or K? I dont even know if someone from our batch joined.
 

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[rohit choudhry]

I & K, Not to best of my knowledge.

[Sugeet Miglani]

acads at IIMC is actually a mixture of both case based (OB) and lecture based (Eco, stats) and somewhere in the middle (FINACC, COSTACC, FINMAN) courses. and actually, there is no set way of teaching anything and there is no way of saying where case based or lecture based approach is better. and i guess the faculty is far more qualified than us to make a judgment either way.

and as far as hours is concerned, rahul is correct... have had plenty of nights of staying up till 4 or 5 in the night (probably analysing a case for the next class)... so the 'chill' factor is only relative (it kicks in after summer placements)... and you can always decide how much fight you want to put... so if you dont care too much, you could lead a life pretty much like at IITR and be ranked 250 out of 280...