"Quick Start Chat" to Google Code Hosting for newbies {#qsc #google}

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narendra sisodiya

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Nov 4, 2009, 2:16:56 PM11/4/09
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      Hi, I normally avoid chatting on Linux topic. and I hate when someone ask his/her problem on chat. I hate because It is one to one communication. I redirect such newbies to mailing list so that other can participate into it. Google index mailing list thread so that other can read such thread after google search. But I found one useful thing in one to one chat system. one of one chat system can be useful for guiding the procedure to newbies.
     Today when Abhishek Indoria (A 14 year old school boy, OLPC contributor) asked me how he can put his source code to some hosting site, I immediately got idea of "Quick Start Chat". In this system I have explained him each and every steps and he followed all steps. I always wanted to make a tutorial on how to get started with google code hosting but now I have spent 2-3 hour teaching on chat to produce "quick start chat". You can also blog such "quick start chat" as tutorial.

    
11:22 AM Abhishek: Dude, I know you may be busy...erm..do you know about GIT? or subversion?
11:23 AM me: I have used only svn
  but git is something which is better to learn
 Abhishek: erm...I need to set up my whole project source code online...
  how do I do that?
11:24 AM me: you can do it using sourceforge or Google code hosting
  google code hosting use SVG
  you can use github too
  github use GIT
11:25 AM Abhishek: Sourceforge.net seems good...But, I need to upload the Source in zip or rar or .tar format instead of erm...open editing version like GIT or SVN?
 me: no no ,, do not upload tar or zip file
11:26 AM first create a project on these site
  and then make a checkout
 Abhishek: I have created the project...Checkout?
 me: yes,,, checkout the empty project
 Abhishek: You know, I feel like stupid as I am only 14 and have loads to learn;)
 me: then put your files into it
11:27 AM seee, I learn these things at the age of 24,,,
  after making a empty checkout ,, you need to paste files into it
  then add files using
11:28 AM svn add filename.cpp
  after that you need to comit the files
  using "svn ci" command
 Abhishek: Ohh..Okay, I am logging into sourceforge...I'll see what I can do, thanks;) Did you read The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown or Code to Zero by Ken Follet?
11:29 AM me: I suggest to use google code hosting,,
  I have used it ,, and it has cool features
 Abhishek: Erm.. The thing is...
  whenever I try Google Code, I can't upload a damn single file.. Dunno why:(
11:30 AM me: Let me guide you,,
  Do you have svn installed ??
 Abhishek: yup.
  wait...
11:31 AM I reinstalled Ubuntu yesterday,,, SVN Not installed...
 me: ok,, just install svn command,,
  it wont take much time
11:32 AM mean while go to google code hosting
  and create a new project
 Abhishek: okay...
  do you have google wave account ?
11:33 AM Abhishek: No..but I have already created a project..whats google wave?
11:34 AM me: leave google wave,,, Give me link to google project
  your project link
 Abhishek: wait please.
 me: click it,, and go to source tab
11:36 AM Abhishek: okay..
  now?
 me: yup
  you can see checkout command
 Abhishek: yes...
11:37 AM me: send me
11:38 AM Abhishek: eh.. svn checkout https://boomingbang.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ boomingbang --username hackerboymayabhi
  when I do that...it says
 me: see,, you have deleted the trunk
11:39 AM When you create the new project it make 4 directory
  1) trunk
  2) wiki
  3) branch
  4) tag
 Abhishek: oh..
 me: you it will suggest you to make new project
11:40 AM just delete it and create new project
 Abhishek: okay..
11:43 AM me: Now go to source code and give me the checkout command
11:44 AM Abhishek: now. it says CHECKED OUT REVISION 1...wait... svn checkout https://imperius.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ imperius --username hackerboymayabhi ...DO you need the password?
 me: Nope,
  never share password
 Abhishek: okay.
 me: now open a terminal
 Abhishek: done
 me: and create a directory where you want to create code
11:45 AM ex
  mkdir MyProject
  cd MyProject
  now apply same command by remove trunk out of it
11:46 AM svn checkout https://imperius.googlecode.com/svn/ imperius --username hackerboymayabhi
11:47 AM Abhishek: kay
 me: show me the output
  It will ask for password, it is there at google code website
11:48 AM Abhishek: A imperius/trunk
A imperius/branches
A imperius/tags
Checked out revision 1.
 me: fine
  now you can see 3 directory
  which you have checked out
 Abhishek: okay...
11:49 AM me: see trunk will be needed for your code
  so now cd trunk
 Abhishek: okay.
11:50 AM me: send me output of these 3 command - pwd, ls -l. svn status
 Abhishek: wait, please.
  pwd -- /media/Disk 3/BoomingBang/codenamei/imperius/trunk
11:51 AM ls -l : total 0
  svn status ... Nothing.
 me: ok,
  now create a new file
  or you can directly paste your code file here
11:52 AM Abhishek: I have folders too...
 me: I will show you how to add commit using one file,,
  you can do that later
11:53 AM just paste one file
 Abhishek: okay.
  done
11:54 AM me: give me "svn status"
 Abhishek: ? configure
  thats the status ^^
11:55 AM me: yes, it is saying, It is that configure is a new file
  now you need to add this file to svn system
  apply
  "svn add configure" command
11:56 AM Abhishek: saying: A configure
I think done.
 me: yes,, but change are local
  you need to comit the change to mail project
  use
  "svn ci filenames" to comit
11:57 AM now use "svn ci configure"
  give me the output
 Abhishek: --This line, and those below, will be ignored--

AM configure
  There is NANO
  text editor
11:58 AM okay...
 me: yes,, while commiting the files you need to write comments
11:59 AM and then save it
 Abhishek: after the saving of file, though I entered it empty;) ...Its saying...Adding configure
Transmitting file data .
Committed revision 2.
 me: Wow,,,
  check the code,,
  google url
12:00 PM It is listing your changes
  can you add me in your project for a moment so that I will show something more,,,
 Abhishek: wow:) Excellent...thanks..okay, I can add you...
 me: this is just 30%
12:01 PM tutorial
  see your files at
 Abhishek: commitors or owners or contributors?
12:02 PM me: commiter
  just add me as commiter
12:03 PM Abhishek: okay.
12:04 PM done
12:05 PM me: just a secound
12:06 PM checking out code now
12:08 PM I have added a new test file,,
12:09 PM just apply svn status command
  send me the output
 Abhishek: nothing.
12:11 PM me: svn status --show-updates --verbose
  try this
  give me output
12:12 PM Abhishek: * test.cpp
2 2 hackerboymayabhi configure
* 1 1 ? .
Status against revision: 3
12:13 PM messed up:)
 me: try "svn st -u"
12:14 PM Abhishek: * test.cpp
* 1 .
Status against revision: 3
 me: yes,
12:15 PM it means,, your files are not uptodated,,
  just apply "svn update" command
  to get latest code by other developers
 Abhishek: okay..done that.
 me: always send output of each command
12:16 PM Abhishek: A test.cpp
Updated to revision 4.
 me: see, I have made 2 rivision,,
  so now our code is at revision number 4
12:17 PM everytime you update change to trunk, It will make a new revision number
 Abhishek: okay
 me: anytime you can switch to old revision number too
  now you modify test.cpp
12:18 PM Abhishek: how? ci is not working.
 me: you have test.cpp file?
 Abhishek: yup!
12:19 PM me: just open with any editor and add something
  add a line
  done??
12:20 PM Abhishek: yeah.
 me: apply,, svn st
  svn status
  both are same command
  apply anyone
 Abhishek: nothing...
12:21 PM me: if you apply svn st command , It will give you something like - "M test.cpp"
  give me output of ls, cat test.cpp
12:22 PM Abhishek: ls : configure test.cpp
  cat:::::::: test.cpp#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
int main(){
//hello , code is still incomplete ;
cout<<"Hello world\n";
return 0;
}
// I know that code is incomplete
12:23 PM me: apply command "svn status"
 Abhishek: nothing:(
 me: I think you can not saved your changes
12:24 PM what editor you are using?
 Abhishek: gedit
 me: Oppps
12:25 PM Abhishek: it says..at revision 5
 me: you can commit your changes,, It wont show,,,
  why you commited your changes,, :( I didn't told you,,
  now modifiy the file again using gedit
 Abhishek: sorry:(
12:26 PM done.
 me: now apply svn st
12:27 PM or svn status
 Abhishek: M test.cpp
 me: yes,, This mean,, test.cpp is modified by you,,
12:28 PM you can check the differece
  also
  apply "svn diff test.cpp"
  send output
 Abhishek: Index: test.cpp
===================================================================
- test.cpp (revision 5)
+++ test.cpp (working copy)
@@ -6,4 +6,5 @@
return 0;
}
// I know that code is incomplete
+// I know I am a jerk and I don't like C++
12:29 PM me: this is a text based +/- line which will tell you what you have added and deleted
  but I will suggest to use
  GUI diff tool
 Abhishek: okay...
12:31 PM me: I saw your comit,, you are now sending log message while comitting
  see this url,,
  you can see differece b/w comit by you are me
12:32 PM apply command
 Abhishek: got that..list
 me: export SVN_EDITOR="vi"
  you need to set environment variable,,
  have you used vi edut???
12:33 PM ever??
 Abhishek: I used vi edit...nor edut;)
 me: ever was mispelt as edut
12:34 PM have you appled that export command
 Abhishek: yes
 me: now appy "svn ci" command to comit your changes
12:36 PM press "i" in vi editor to write comment (log message), them use Esp + ":wq" + "Enter" to save log
 Abhishek: done.
 me: ok,,
12:37 PM so you have lean ,,, adding files and commiting files
  *learn
 Abhishek: yup!
12:39 PM me: you can anytime compare the changes in two revision
12:40 PM Abhishek: okay...what about folders? when I have to upload them?
12:41 PM me: just paste folder(directory) into trunk
  then add folder and files
  using
  svn add command
  paste folder
 Abhishek: okay. thanks
 me: now
  lets do it
12:42 PM Abhishek: okay...should I update?
12:43 PM me: let me send "svn st -u"
12:44 PM Abhishek: ?
12:45 PM should I commit?
 me: no,, first send me out of "svn st"
  also install "diffuse" in other tab,,,
12:46 PM this will needed to view the source code changes
12:47 PM ??
 Abhishek: installing
  done.
12:48 PM now what?
 me: have you added the folder??
  to svn ??
  locally
12:49 PM plz send me output of "svn st -u" command
12:50 PM Abhishek: A 0 build/m4
A 0 build/m4/sdl.m4
A 0 build/m4/ax_cflags_warn_all.m4
A 0 build/m4/libcurl.m4
A 0 build/m4/po.m4
A 0 build
Status against revision: 6
 me: ok,,
  you have added correctly,
  now comit
12:51 PM Abhishek: okay...
  done Adding trunk/build
Adding trunk/build/m4
Adding trunk/build/m4/ax_cflags_warn_all.m4
Adding trunk/build/m4/libcurl.m4
Adding trunk/build/m4/po.m4
Adding trunk/build/m4/sdl.m4
Transmitting file data ....
Committed revision 7.
12:52 PM me: Wow,,...
  this is simply great
12:53 PM see,,, you are committing the files and folders inside trunk,,
 Abhishek: hmm..got it... and, if I want to release a software, then?
 me: trunk is used for development purpose,,
12:54 PM after making sufficient revision, you can branch out the code
  that is why the branch folder exist
  you need to make a new directory into branch folder
12:55 PM mkdir branches/v0.001
 Abhishek: okay...
 me: now,, let support you are at revision 567 in trunk
12:56 PM Abhishek: hmm...
 me: now you can use copy command to transfer the CURRENT code from trunk code to branch folder
 Abhishek: okay...
 me: BUT remember you should not use copy command of linux
  you need to use svn copy command
12:57 PM you can read tutorial also , how to make branch using svn
  let me search
 Abhishek: okay..thanks buddy;)
 me: Let try out now,,
12:58 PM Hope you are now getting bore !! or late
  ?
  Let try out now,, Hope you are now getting bore !! or late
 Abhishek: nothing...We can try:)
 me: so,, send me "pwd"
 Abhishek: /media/Disk 3/BoomingBang/codenamei/imperius/trunk
12:59 PM me: apply cd ..
  it means go back one directory uop
 Abhishek: i know;) okay, what now, please?
1:00 PM me: no no ,, send me output of pwd now,,,
 Abhishek: /media/Disk 3/BoomingBang/codenamei/imperius
 me: ok,, great,,
  now apply this command
1:01 PM svn copy trunk branches/v0.1
 Abhishek: A branches/v0.1
 me: apply "svn st" now,,
  send me output
 Abhishek: A + branches/v0.1
1:02 PM me: wow,,, it means you have added a new branch,,,
  now comit it
  you know how to comit
1:03 PM and send me the output
 Abhishek: yes..done...Adding branches/v0.1
Adding branches/v0.1/build
Adding branches/v0.1/test.cpp

Committed revision 8.
 me: just check the url
  now,, it is showing your branch
1:04 PM Abhishek: yes
 me: Ok,,
1:05 PM now suppose your friend want v0.1 version
  how you will send him??
1:06 PM Abhishek: erm...update it?
 me: Nope ..... In such case you need to send him the readonly mode source checkout url
  open a new terminal
  with another location
  fresh location may be home folder
1:07 PM Abhishek: okay
 me: send me pwd
 Abhishek: /home/abhishek/
 me: ok,,
  now apply this command
1:08 PM Abhishek: A v0.1/build
A v0.1/build/m4
A v0.1/build/m4/sdl.m4
A v0.1/build/m4/ax_cflags_warn_all.m4
A v0.1/build/m4/libcurl.m4
A v0.1/build/m4/po.m4
A v0.1/test.cpp
A v0.1/configure
U v0.1
Checked out revision 8.
Whats this?
 me: You have checkout the branch v0.1
  you can check
  home folder
  there will be new directory
  called v0.1
1:09 PM Abhishek: yeah..there is:)
 me: we have done a small mistake while creating our branch
 Abhishek: what mistake?
1:10 PM me: we would have applied this command --- "svn copy trunk branches/imperius-v0.1
  if you would have applied this command
  our branch name would be "imperius-v0.1"
1:11 PM Abhishek: hmm...
  right
 me: and new folder created in your friend's directory will be named as "imperius-v0.1" and not "v0.1"
  it was my mistake...
 Abhishek: hey..don't worry..we are just practicing.
1:12 PM me: using this you can send new branch to your friends to download
 Abhishek: okay...great:)
 me: Do you know why branch;s are needed ??
1:13 PM Abhishek: erm..not sure...But for releases?
 me: Yes,, release can be one advantage,, but
  Let suppose we are a team of 100 developers
1:14 PM Abhishek: okay
 me: and if everybody work in trunk, It will get many problem;s because not everybody work on same feature
 Abhishek: hmm...
1:15 PM me: may be if 2 developer want to work on special feature which you do not want to be part of trunk now ,,
 Abhishek: I can put it in branch...?
 me: then you can branch out the code to new unstable branch and then just use branch
  In my company ,, I am working on separate branch ,,
1:16 PM of main project,,
  after a month, we use to merge chnages,,
 Abhishek: got it:)
 me: You have just committed some code in main trunk
 Abhishek: yes...
1:17 PM me: using same procude you can now comit in branch too
  cd branches/v0.1
 Abhishek: got it:) thank
 me: and then start editing code and comit it,,
 Abhishek: what is Tags?
 me: Well I have not used tage much,, but let me try to explain it,,
1:18 PM Abhishek: okay...
1:19 PM me: Let assume you are working in trunk code
  and everyday you will modify the code
1:20 PM you want use to try it,,,
 Abhishek: hmm...
 me: but by this way they will execute the current trunk code
  which may be unstalbe
 Abhishek: yeah...
1:21 PM me: so,, during the time of developemt you felt like this can be good tryout demo,,
  then you can put the tag "stable"
1:22 PM now you have a "stable" tag into tag folder
  now you can give link to stable code as
 Abhishek: hmm..got it
 me: now user will download stable code that that moment
 Abhishek: okay...
 me: now you can add new code to main trunk
  this will not go to "stable" folder
1:24 PM after some time when you feel, that you are ready to make a new stable point, just move the "stable" tag
  to current one
 Abhishek: okay...
1:25 PM me: "tags" demote the stage of code at perticular instance of time
  it is almost similar to "branches"
 Abhishek: hmm...now our team can upload our work;)
1:26 PM me: but in branch you can comit but in "tags" you cannot comit (in my knowledge)
 Abhishek: okay
 me: Have you go the idea of all these thing
 Abhishek: yeah..I got it:) thanks
1:27 PM me: See Google code hosting also provide Bug Tacker
  do you about it ??
 Abhishek: I didn't know...
 me: click it,, http://code.google.com/p/imperius/issues/list you will see the issue/bugs
 Abhishek: oh...right:) thanks
1:28 PM me: currently there are not bug there,,
  when user will see any bug , they will file bug here
1:29 PM anyone can enter new bug here
 Abhishek: hmm...
 me: developer will get to know about bugs and they can assign bug to other developer
1:30 PM after fixing bug they can close the bug....
 Abhishek: Wow! This is far better than I thought.
 me: see this project -- you can see bugs
 Abhishek: okay...
1:31 PM there are loads:)
 me: this bug tracker need to track,, new feature requests and new defects in code
  It is recommended that always make checkin (svn ci) against bug
1:32 PM it means , whenever you want to added anything new to code,, first create bug and then make changes in code
  comit the changes ,,
1:33 PM while committing source code,, you mention which bug you are solving,,
 Abhishek: Okay...
  cool
 me: and after committing it , just close the bug
  let me send you sample
 Abhishek: okay...
  click it
  this revision is made against bug 289
 Abhishek: yeah...excellent.
1:35 PM me: you can see the url to bug also,,
  while making log file you need to make a url to issue
  just write as,,
  Fixing Issue 289 by soso changes
1:36 PM this will automatically make link to issue/bug 289
 Abhishek: Okay...its pretty good:)
1:37 PM me: You can setup developer mailing list too
 Abhishek: using google groups?
 me: and set some setting so that all changes will goes to developer list
  by this you can track who is check-in-ing (svn ci) what
  yup,,,
1:38 PM Abhishek: okay..cool:)
 me: this is not needed for small project,,where developer are less then 1-2
 Abhishek: we have 21 developers:)
 me: wow,,
  How 21 developer made this code
1:39 PM your age is 14,, are other developer are same age group,,
 Abhishek: pretty nasty...and I was angered...we mailed it to each other ...None of us knew about google code or same...Yup! all are 17 or less
1:40 PM me: wow,, I will love to meet you guys,, you are future of india,, are you all in jaipur??
 Abhishek: Hehe...four of us are from india...rest, Russia, France, UK, Bulgaria, Latvia,and ya de ya de ya!
1:41 PM me: So,, you all would have used google code,, It have wiki too,,
  you can make documentation
  too
  for code
 Abhishek: Yeah..thats what I am thinking...
  you are doing any new dev?
1:42 PM me: I am doing a hell of activity ,, my prime goal is make foss adaptation in india and develop Eduvid project
1:43 PM Abhishek: whats Eduvid?
 me: do you have any question regarding svn
  and google code
 Abhishek: Nope..svn is clear..as well as google code...thanks to you...we are a group..named FOSSFY stands for
 me: send me url --
 Abhishek: Free & Open Source Software For Youth (Foundation)
 me: wow,,
1:44 PM Abhishek: Okay... http://fossfy.co.cc --site's pretty new..we just created it yesterday:) and http://phoenix-team.tk
 me: have you joined LUG@IITD mailing lsit ??
 Abhishek: NONE of them are updated... yeah... I think so;)
  do join,,
 Abhishek: okay, thanks..
1:46 PM me: Do you really want to thanks,, ?? Do you what is the way to thanks in Free Culture ??
 Abhishek: Contributing software?
1:47 PM me: If you get problem while learning something Or you something new knowledge , Always blog / write tutorial so that other can work on it,,
  write software is not a contribution]
 Abhishek: okay...
 me: see,, google has written google code hosting ,, but you was not aware of this tool
 Abhishek: yeah.
1:48 PM me: advocating good tools and software is more important then writing software itself,,
 Abhishek: hmm...right
1:49 PM me: It will be good if you make a good tutorial on get started with google code,,, I wanted to do it,, but never get time for it,,, So I spent my time with you on chat,, so that now I will blog out chat...
  This chat will be useful to new users who want to quick start on google code
1:50 PM Abhishek: Okay, cool :D
 me: this is the reason I was asking pwd and other output time to time
 Abhishek: right :)
 me: so that other user can read this chat as tutorial, :)


Shakthi Kannan

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Nov 4, 2009, 11:17:35 PM11/4/09
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Hi,

--- On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:46 AM, narendra sisodiya


<narendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
|  me: then you can branch out the code to new unstable branch and then just
| use branch
|   In my company ,, I am working on separate branch ,,
| 1:16 PM of main project,,
|   after a month, we use to merge chnages,,

\--

When you do continuous integration, merges should occur often.

The issue with centralized version control systems (like cvs,
subversion) is that merging is a pain, so people never branch
actually, or if they do, they take a day or two to merge and just fix
API changes, or they never merge.

---
| 1:34 PM me: http://code.google.com/ ...
\--

They also offer mercurial hosting other than subversion if people want
to try out:
http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/ChoosingAVersionControlSystem

Or, for mercurial hosting, you can use:
http://www.bitbucket.org

If you would like to learn git, you could start with my presentation:
http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/di-git-ally-managing-love-letters.pdf

and Bart Trojanowskis' video and presentation. See the 'Version
control systems' section from here:
http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/gnubie.html#_kid

---


| me: no no ,, do not upload tar or zip file

\--

A tagged release is usually released to end users or packagers as a
tarball (.tar.gz or .tar.bz2). Developers or people who need bleeding
edge or latest code always checkout the code from the repository.

So, for a project it is good to have both the repository URL and
tarball releases. Let the users choose whichever one they want.

SK

--
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com

narendra sisodiya

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Nov 5, 2009, 12:21:24 AM11/5/09
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Thanks Shakthi for your valuable inputs.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Shakthi Kannan <shakt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> --- On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:46 AM, narendra sisodiya
> <narendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> | me: then you can branch out the code to new unstable branch and then just
> | use branch
> | In my company ,, I am working on separate branch ,,
> | 1:16 PM of main project,,
> | after a month, we use to merge chnages,,
> \--
>
> When you do continuous integration, merges should occur often.
>
> The issue with centralized version control systems (like cvs,
> subversion) is that merging is a pain, so people never branch
> actually, or if they do, they take a day or two to merge and just fix
> API changes, or they never merge.
I think, It depends on requirement also. generally in my company we
have many branches depends on customer, and Yes merging is a real
pain. I admit. In one of my project, I wanted to make some changes
which are not part of project. So I made a separate branch and worked
on it. In such case, branch will be useful.

>
> ---
> | 1:34 PM me: http://code.google.com/ ...
> \--
>
> They also offer mercurial hosting other than subversion if people want
> to try out:
> http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/ChoosingAVersionControlSystem
>
> Or, for mercurial hosting, you can use:
> http://www.bitbucket.org
>
> If you would like to learn git, you could start with my presentation:
> http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/di-git-ally-managing-love-letters.pdf
>
> and Bart Trojanowskis' video and presentation. See the 'Version
> control systems' section from here:
> http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/gnubie.html#_kid
>
> ---
> | me: no no ,, do not upload tar or zip file
> \--
>
> A tagged release is usually released to end users or packagers as a
> tarball (.tar.gz or .tar.bz2). Developers or people who need bleeding
> edge or latest code always checkout the code from the repository.
>
> So, for a project it is good to have both the repository URL and
> tarball releases. Let the users choose whichever one they want.
>
> SK

Yes, I forget to add this into chat.

>
> --
> Shakthi Kannan
> http://www.shakthimaan.com

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Nalin Savara

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, narendra sisodiya <narendra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Shakthi for your valuable inputs.

Hi Narendra, Shakthi,

Great effort Narendra-- This chat is totally priceless-- since using Version Control systems is a big jump that newbies fail to make-- and I am sure it will help a lot of people a lot.

@Narendra:
(1) Can you edit posts sent through email to your Posterious group blog ? If yes, then edit the earlier post you put-- and add Shakthi's comments there-- as a note- at the appropriate point in the chat-- since apart from newbies even I found them useful.

(2)
can we have a sort of "informal, optional best effort protocol"-- that encourages people to avoid top-posting; and also encourages people to trim-off all except the relevant parts of the reply ?

Many of even your posts are top-posted-- and for someone reading the group as a digest, instead of getting 10 messages a day-- top posts essentially render the message-digest sent by a listserv totally unreadable.

ps: I hate it when people are snubbed or scolded for top-posting-- since when replying using gmail-mobile or certain other mobile email clients even I am forced to top-post-- but yes, I do agree with the purists (including Shakthi) who advise to avoid top-posting.

What say ?

Best Regards,

Nalin

narendra sisodiya

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Nalin Savara <nsn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, narendra sisodiya <narendra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Shakthi for your valuable inputs.
>
> Hi Narendra, Shakthi,
>
> Great effort Narendra-- This chat is totally priceless-- since using Version Control systems is a big jump that newbies fail to make-- and I am sure it will help a lot of people a lot.
Thanks

>
> @Narendra:
> (1) Can you edit posts sent through email to your Posterious group blog ? If yes, then edit the earlier post you put-- and add Shakthi's comments there-- as a note- at the appropriate point in the chat-- since apart from newbies even I found them useful.
On Community blog, there is a limit of adding text. I have added a
link to google group tread there. Hope they will read from thread.

>
> (2)
> can we have a sort of "informal, optional best effort protocol"-- that encourages people to avoid top-posting; and also encourages people to trim-off all except the relevant parts of the reply ?
>
> Many of even your posts are top-posted-- and for someone reading the group as a digest, instead of getting 10 messages a day-- top posts essentially render the message-digest sent by a listserv totally unreadable.
I too do not like top post, I will aovid it from next time.
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