Freeway Drivers
JK
on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
"Favourites" include:
1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
2. The Formula 1 driver: "I'm a P-plater, have a V8, am a brilliant
driver and can handle going 140Km/h weaving in and out of traffic
without indicating in my old bomb thankyouverymuch!"
3. The Lane changer: "I think I'll go in this lane, the traffic seems
to be a little faster here. Oh wait, no... I'll change back. Umm...
no... lemme try and go far left. No... no good either. Back to the
original lane"
4. The glowing red menace: "I have a Hyundai with a very bright red
tail fog light in the rear-bumper and I'll use it every time I'm on
the freeway at night or switch it on and off to make the cars behind
me slow down."
5. The sand blaster. "I'm a truck *full* of sand that's not covered up
and spewing tonnes of the stuff onto the cars behind me."
6. The accident voyeur: "Oh look, there's been an accident on the
*other* side of the freeway. Let's slow down to 60"
7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
8. The cutter-inner:" I know you're just 1m behind me and in the lane
next to me, but I'll squeeze in anyway, thankyou!" That happend twice
on the way home today!
9. The side swiper: the name also says it all: "I want your lane,
buddy!"
10. "Lane Ends. Please merge left" = stuff you buddy, I'm going to
accelerate in my 4WD, overtake you and squeeze in anyway.
Bloody hell...
JK
Change .xx to .au to reply via e-mail
Stephen in Perth
Here's a few pointers that these idiot drivers learnt at driving
school :-
Indication: Used when either half way around a corner or half way thru
a lane change
Acceleration: Used when pulling out in from of traffic, unfortunately
doesn't apply once in front of the traffic (see deacceleration)
Continuous White Line: Cross as often as possibly or at least more
than a dashed white line.
Regards
Stephen
Mark Haselden
> Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
> on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
> with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
> "Favourites" include:
> 1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
> even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
> found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
[snip]
and never to forget, the "Yeah, I know it's two lanes compulsory exit
at JamesSt, but I'm buggered if I'm going to stick in the two right
lanes, I'm just going to accelerate down the exit lanes and swing right
into the side of someone else's car at 120km/hr at the very last
minute"..
Sorry bout that, just had to vent..
pdt
>
> Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
> on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
> with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
...... its a sad sad world we live in mr. JK - no hard feelings - cause
im never coming back !
cheers, pdt
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David Bradford
"Mark Haselden" <lev...@minerva.dhs.org> wrote in message
news:38a2ac5a$0$19...@motown.iinet.net.au...
> JK <j...@iinet.net.xx> wrote:
> > Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
> > on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
> > with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
>
> > 1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
> > even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
> > found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
>
> [snip]
>
> and never to forget, the "Yeah, I know it's two lanes compulsory exit
> at JamesSt, but I'm buggered if I'm going to stick in the two right
> lanes, I'm just going to accelerate down the exit lanes and swing right
> into the side of someone else's car at 120km/hr at the very last
> minute"..
>
>
> Sorry bout that, just had to vent..
>
...exactly...and then these people complain that "Perth drivers never let
anyone in"(referring to changing lanes).
Why the fuck should I let some punk in when he's been an arsehole and can't
wait like everyone else in the two right hand lanes??
Its the same travelling northbound on the narrows bridge...many people stay
in the left or the middle lane and then decide to change at the last moment
to the right lane so they can get onto the Mitchell freeway. They then
proceed to honk their horns and give me the finger when they realise I'm not
letting them in....like I care 'bout that.
Absolute fucking madness.
drb
Sandgroper
JK wrote in message <38a2761...@news.m.iinet.net.au>...
>Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
>on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
>with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
Simple solution , catch a BUS !.
Sandgroper
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Paul Raj Khangure
: Simple solution , catch a BUS !.
But please, let the bus driver go - they have fragile minds, and don't
survive long in captivity.
Paul Raj Khangure
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Sandgroper
Paul Raj Khangure wrote in message
<87ug2q$3c$1...@she-bitch.digitaljunkie.net>...
>In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Sandgroper wrote:
>
>: Simple solution , catch a BUS !.
>
>But please, let the bus driver go - they have fragile minds, and don't
>survive long in captivity.
>
Yeah , just as fragile as IT tech support staff ?.
:)
Mike Price
>Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
>on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
>with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
Amen brother!
>"Favourites" include:
>
>1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
>even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
>found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
>
God yes.
>2. The Formula 1 driver: "I'm a P-plater, have a V8, am a brilliant
>driver and can handle going 140Km/h weaving in and out of traffic
>without indicating in my old bomb thankyouverymuch!"
It, is fun accellerating for a bit up to a few other cars doing the
speed limit and blocking the F1 driver off and watching him spew at
you.
>3. The Lane changer: "I think I'll go in this lane, the traffic seems
>to be a little faster here. Oh wait, no... I'll change back. Umm...
>no... lemme try and go far left. No... no good either. Back to the
>original lane"
The number 1 cause of traffic jams IMO. Mass lane changing.
>
>4. The glowing red menace: "I have a Hyundai with a very bright red
>tail fog light in the rear-bumper and I'll use it every time I'm on
>the freeway at night or switch it on and off to make the cars behind
>me slow down."
>
>5. The sand blaster. "I'm a truck *full* of sand that's not covered up
>and spewing tonnes of the stuff onto the cars behind me."
>
>6. The accident voyeur: "Oh look, there's been an accident on the
>*other* side of the freeway. Let's slow down to 60"
>
If someone so much as falls of their bike on the footpath next to the
river there is gridlock all the way to mount Henry Bridge.
>7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
>
I get great satisfaction in refusing to speed up or move aside for
them and then speeding and blocking them off so they cant tear past me
at 150kmh. (I am doing the speed limit)
>8. The cutter-inner:" I know you're just 1m behind me and in the lane
>next to me, but I'll squeeze in anyway, thankyou!" That happend twice
>on the way home today!
>
I had that last week. I cant believe the guy didnt hit me.
>9. The side swiper: the name also says it all: "I want your lane,
>buddy!"
>
>10. "Lane Ends. Please merge left" = stuff you buddy, I'm going to
>accelerate in my 4WD, overtake you and squeeze in anyway.
Oh god yes, this is one of my absolute pet hates. People just cant be
ONE car further back.
Jeff B
David Bradford wrote in message <38a2b7c7$0$19...@motown.iinet.net.au>...
<snip useless drivers>
>Its the same travelling northbound on the narrows bridge...many people stay
>in the left or the middle lane and then decide to change at the last moment
>to the right lane so they can get onto the Mitchell freeway. They then
>proceed to honk their horns and give me the finger when they realise I'm
not
>letting them in....like I care 'bout that.
>
>Absolute fucking madness.
>
>
>drb
>
mmm so its the freeway designers as well !!
designer 1: We got to connect the kwinana freeway to the mitchell freeway.
designer 2: Aaaaa 1 lane should do it.
designer 2: She'll be right mate.
JB
Billy Shields
: <SNIP>
: City driving is so much more hectic than country driving :)
: My pet hate is ignorant drivers who decide that because you are not
: doing Warp Factor 4 in the righthand lane(just the speed limit) that
: you shoul get out of it, even though you only just pulled into it and
: need to turn right in about 2 minutes.
: My other pet hate is idiots (usually in Commodores or Mazdas:)) that
: come roaring up behind you on Old Coast road doing about 150km/hour
: when you're only doing 110, flahsing their lights, honking and then
: overtaking you on a double line corner because they can't wait 3
: minutes for the next overtaking lane. (THis happened to me today while
: I was driving up).
: The roads would be a lot safer place if people just calmed down,
: obeyed the road rules (simple things like indicating, staying in the
: speed limit, using roundabouts correctly and courteous driving).
: I'm amazed at the amount of people who just simply don't know their
: road rules.
My favourite is idiot car drivers who don't know the road rules
when it comes to pedestrians.
Most commonly, if they are turning left or right and theres no
traffic light, the pedestrian has right of way. Its amazing the
number of ignorant morons who glare at you because you don't
happen to completely defer to them.
Oh I have another favourite: arseholes who go through on a green
light even though they can't make it through the intersection.
Often this results in a light change that then blocks traffic
the other way. I was walking to work the other day and passed
the Milligan St and St Georges Tce intersection. Some moron had
gone north up Milligan but not quite made it out of the
intersection yet. He ended up blocking all 3 eastbound lanes on
St Georges Tce for the entire light change. All because he
couldn't wait two minutes to get through.
You see the same thing on that street that goes onto Riverside
drive (Victoria Ave?). Theres an intersection before it hits
Riverside Drive which is a shocker. My sister and I were driving
to Busselton once and we were at the front of the line waiting
to go through. For 3 light changes we couldn't because some
arsehole coming the other way turned into the intersection (when
they clearly couldn't get through) and blocked it.
Personally I think this all falls into what I call the "but this is
me" syndrome (eg "I know the speed limit is 100 here but this is
ME! I know better. The rules don't apply to me. Only to everyone
else.").
Zac Charlesworth
City driving is so much more hectic than country driving :)
My pet hate is ignorant drivers who decide that because you are not
doing Warp Factor 4 in the righthand lane(just the speed limit) that
you shoul get out of it, even though you only just pulled into it and
need to turn right in about 2 minutes.
My other pet hate is idiots (usually in Commodores or Mazdas:)) that
come roaring up behind you on Old Coast road doing about 150km/hour
when you're only doing 110, flahsing their lights, honking and then
overtaking you on a double line corner because they can't wait 3
minutes for the next overtaking lane. (THis happened to me today while
I was driving up).
The roads would be a lot safer place if people just calmed down,
obeyed the road rules (simple things like indicating, staying in the
speed limit, using roundabouts correctly and courteous driving).
I'm amazed at the amount of people who just simply don't know their
road rules.
Zac
jocko
"the fucking saint"?
JK <j...@iinet.net.xx> wrote in message
news:38a2761...@news.m.iinet.net.au...
> Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
> on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
> with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
> "Favourites" include:
>
> 1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
> even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
> found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
>
> 2. The Formula 1 driver: "I'm a P-plater, have a V8, am a brilliant
> driver and can handle going 140Km/h weaving in and out of traffic
> without indicating in my old bomb thankyouverymuch!"
>
> 3. The Lane changer: "I think I'll go in this lane, the traffic seems
> to be a little faster here. Oh wait, no... I'll change back. Umm...
> no... lemme try and go far left. No... no good either. Back to the
> original lane"
>
> 4. The glowing red menace: "I have a Hyundai with a very bright red
> tail fog light in the rear-bumper and I'll use it every time I'm on
> the freeway at night or switch it on and off to make the cars behind
> me slow down."
>
> 5. The sand blaster. "I'm a truck *full* of sand that's not covered up
> and spewing tonnes of the stuff onto the cars behind me."
>
> 6. The accident voyeur: "Oh look, there's been an accident on the
> *other* side of the freeway. Let's slow down to 60"
>
> 7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
>
> 8. The cutter-inner:" I know you're just 1m behind me and in the lane
> next to me, but I'll squeeze in anyway, thankyou!" That happend twice
> on the way home today!
>
> 9. The side swiper: the name also says it all: "I want your lane,
> buddy!"
>
> 10. "Lane Ends. Please merge left" = stuff you buddy, I'm going to
> accelerate in my 4WD, overtake you and squeeze in anyway.
>
Paul Raj Khangure
: My pet hate is ignorant drivers who decide that because you are not
: doing Warp Factor 4 in the righthand lane(just the speed limit) that
: you shoul get out of it, even though you only just pulled into it and
: need to turn right in about 2 minutes.
I'm one of those.
Although I don't mind people who pull right to turn right.
Unless they pull right 20 km before the turn, and sit there toodling
along in the right hand lane.
If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
Jason Norris
thang.digitaljunkie.net says...
> In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Zac Charlesworth wrote:
>
> Unless they pull right 20 km before the turn, and sit there toodling
> along in the right hand lane.
>
> If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
> signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
> out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
>
However if your one of those "this is the right lane, the speed limit
doesnt apply here people", then I expect you to slow the fuck down and
not tailgate my arse when I'm doing the speed limit in front of you (also
generic speak :)
--
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possibility that we aren't is equally so
Helly-Bear
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> <SNIP>
>
> City driving is so much more hectic than country driving :)
>
Warp Factor 4 in the righthand lane(just the speed limit) that you shoul get
out of it, even though you only just pulled into it and need to turn right
in about 2 minutes.
<snip>
Isnt there a Keep Left rule? 2 minutes in the right hand lane at 100kmh is
a fair distance :)
§:Ş
Helen
P.S You should be doing Warp Factor 8 in the frigging right hand lane
anyway!!!!!! If not, and you see a dark blue car flash past you and the
person has her finger out of the window.. wave to me :)
Adam Ashley
Adam Ashley
Mike Price <mi...@nospamiinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:kcj5ascbrf6oeh09p...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 08:42:15 GMT, j...@iinet.net.xx (JK) wrote:
>
> >Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
> >on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
> >with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
> >
>
> Amen brother!
>
> >"Favourites" include:
> >
> >1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
> >even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
> >found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
> >
> God yes.
>
> >2. The Formula 1 driver: "I'm a P-plater, have a V8, am a brilliant
> >driver and can handle going 140Km/h weaving in and out of traffic
> >without indicating in my old bomb thankyouverymuch!"
>
> It, is fun accellerating for a bit up to a few other cars doing the
> speed limit and blocking the F1 driver off and watching him spew at
> you.
>
> >3. The Lane changer: "I think I'll go in this lane, the traffic seems
> >to be a little faster here. Oh wait, no... I'll change back. Umm...
> >no... lemme try and go far left. No... no good either. Back to the
> >original lane"
>
> The number 1 cause of traffic jams IMO. Mass lane changing.
> >
> >4. The glowing red menace: "I have a Hyundai with a very bright red
> >tail fog light in the rear-bumper and I'll use it every time I'm on
> >the freeway at night or switch it on and off to make the cars behind
> >me slow down."
> >
> >5. The sand blaster. "I'm a truck *full* of sand that's not covered up
> >and spewing tonnes of the stuff onto the cars behind me."
> >
> >6. The accident voyeur: "Oh look, there's been an accident on the
> >*other* side of the freeway. Let's slow down to 60"
> >
> If someone so much as falls of their bike on the footpath next to the
> river there is gridlock all the way to mount Henry Bridge.
>
> >7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
> >
>
> I get great satisfaction in refusing to speed up or move aside for
> them and then speeding and blocking them off so they cant tear past me
> at 150kmh. (I am doing the speed limit)
>
> >8. The cutter-inner:" I know you're just 1m behind me and in the lane
> >next to me, but I'll squeeze in anyway, thankyou!" That happend twice
> >on the way home today!
> >
>
> I had that last week. I cant believe the guy didnt hit me.
>
> >9. The side swiper: the name also says it all: "I want your lane,
> >buddy!"
> >
> >10. "Lane Ends. Please merge left" = stuff you buddy, I'm going to
> >accelerate in my 4WD, overtake you and squeeze in anyway.
>
> Oh god yes, this is one of my absolute pet hates. People just cant be
> ONE car further back.
> >
Mic Cullen
appears to have written:
[snips]
> man i agree with you totally, i do pretty much all these things as well :)
Not surprising, seeing as even simple things like editing appear to be
beyond you...
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Zac Charlesworth
Khangure <p...@sweet-thang.digitaljunkie.net> road into town with the
following important news
>Unless they pull right 20 km before the turn, and sit there toodling
>along in the right hand lane.
True, that's what the keep left rule is for. But sometimes us people
not from Perth don't know the exits very well. There's been many times
I've kept left because I didn't want to upset the Warp Drivers in the
righthand lane, only to miss my street because I'm not familiar. It
can sometimes be difficult to get into the righthand lane in Perth
with only 2 km time.
Zac
pdt
>
> <SNIP>
>
> I'm amazed at the amount of people who just simply don't know their
> road rules.
>
gunna have 2 disagree with u here zac - they in fact DO KNOW THE RULES
- its just that they
BLATANTLY DISREGARD THE RULES!
ok ok sorry 4 shouting! cheers, pdt
Dave
>
> <SNIP>
>
> My other pet hate is idiots (usually in Commodores or Mazdas:))
Seen on the rear window of a Falcon the other day:
"Holdens were built to keep Dickheads outa Fords"
Dave
(wishing I'd hung onto at least one of the MGAs I had during my
'younger' period ....)
Phil L
> Amen Brother.
> Idiots that sit in the Right hand lane, when I am moving to over take
> really piss
> me off to.
> I often find tail gaiting is a good ploy :-)
> <here fishy fishy fishy>
So are some 130 watt high beams and a pair of 110 watt spotlights..... (tho it
usually helps if it's dark first... :-)
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David Bradford
"Jeff B" <jb...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:38a2df59$0$11...@motown.iinet.net.au...
I agree with this too. It seems all that the designers of our freeways only
made 'easy' designs. The fact that the design is absolutely ridiculous seems
to of escaped them(..as proven by the fact that their is only ONE lane
between our two major freeways..)
drb
David Bradford
them and then speeding and blocking them off so they cant tear past me
at 150kmh. (I am doing the speed limit)"
Hear Hear!!
drb
Martin Livings
: "Holdens were built to keep Dickheads outa Fords"
Pity it didn't work...
yt MJL00 (sure, I'll keep left and avoid a small fine, as long as you
don't speed and avoid a larger one)
JK
>and what are you?
>"the fucking saint"?
Far from it, but I sure as hell don't do that crap I listed...
Cheers,
Billy Shields
: Paul Raj Khangure wrote:
: <snip>
:> If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
:> signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
:> out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
: Amen Brother.
: Idiots that sit in the Right hand lane, when I am moving to over take
: really piss
: me off to.
: I often find tail gaiting is a good ploy :-)
Tail gaters are easy to get rid of. Just tap your brakes a few
times til they back off (after all, they are at fault if they
hit you).
I fucking hate tailgaters.
Jonathon Bates
<snip>
> If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
> signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
> out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
Amen Brother.
Idiots that sit in the Right hand lane, when I am moving to over take
really piss
me off to.
I often find tail gaiting is a good ploy :-)
<here fishy fishy fishy>
batesy
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Mic Cullen
appears to have written:
[snips]
> I fucking hate tailgaters.
ME TOO!!
BYE!!
Ian Peters
news:38a420d1$0$18...@motown.iinet.net.au...
> I agree with this too. It seems all that the designers of our freeways
only
> made 'easy' designs. The fact that the design is absolutely ridiculous
seems
> to of escaped them(..as proven by the fact that their is only ONE lane
> between our two major freeways..)
erno. You can stop lying now and tell the truth if you like ... oh but it
doesn't suit your case, what a shame.
Whatever the case, you won't have to put up with the current situation much
longer as once the 2nd Narrows bridge is finished the geometry of the whole
interchange will need alterations.
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Ian Peters
news:88061p$fmc$2...@she-bitch.digitaljunkie.net...
> Unless they pull right 20 km before the turn, and sit there toodling
> along in the right hand lane.
I'll do that but always at +5km over the speed limit so in a 60 zone in even
light traffic I'll happily sit in the right lane doing 65. Same on the
freeway, in the 100 and 80 zones, +5 km an hour is adequately fast enough,
if you want to go faster find somewhere to do it legally.
> If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
> signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
> out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
Or do just over the speed limit. I'll never purposefully do below the speed
limit in the right lane, but I'm buggered if I'll sit in the left lane with
people doing 10km/h below when I can sit in the right lane knowing I'm
impeding the rush of Z3s and ASVs and VL Calais'.
Paul Raj Khangure
: I'll do that but always at +5km over the speed limit so in a 60 zone in even
: light traffic I'll happily sit in the right lane doing 65. Same on the
: freeway, in the 100 and 80 zones, +5 km an hour is adequately fast enough,
: if you want to go faster find somewhere to do it legally.
Ah, so you're one of those cocky arrogant bastards who thinks that the
speed you decide to do on a certain road is the speed you should limit
everyone else to also.
Tell you what. You do whatever speed you think is appropriate, and let
other people travel at whatever speed they think is appropriate. And if
you're in the right hand lane, and someone wants to overtake, let them.
(Unless you're turning right shortly).
Helly-Bear
news:38a49948$0$18...@motown.iinet.net.au...
> Tail gaters are easy to get rid of. Just tap your brakes a few times til
they back off (after all, they are at fault if they
> hit you).
>
> I fucking hate tailgaters.
I used to drive a 350 Statesman. Oh the power :) Tailgaters used to get a
suprise and a half.. I'd hit the brakes and slam it back to first (turbo
400) and hit the accelerator - I was going forward again really quickly,
while they'd just realised I'd hit the brake and we're still skidding to a
stop :)
Muhahahahah
(Yes.. "Women Drivers"!)
§:Ş
Helen
Ian Peters
> Ah, so you're one of those cocky arrogant bastards who thinks that the
> speed you decide to do on a certain road is the speed you should limit
> everyone else to also.
There is no need to speed, and if I can do my part to stop speeding then I
will, and that's something you'll have to live with.
Jason Cornelius
news:38a54228$0$23...@motown.iinet.net.au...
>
> There is no need to speed, and if I can do my part to stop speeding then I
> will, and that's something you'll have to live with.
Let's not worry about blocking the road when the person in a hurry might be
having an emergency.
You're the type of driver I enjoy putting my full beam on.
Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
sole purpose of overtaking.
If you wanna move slower than the flow of traffic; if you don't wanna
overtake anyone; then stay the hell left.
Jason.
Mic Cullen
to have written:
[snips]
> Let's not worry about blocking the road when the person in a hurry might be
> having an emergency.
Yup.
> You're the type of driver I enjoy putting my full beam on.
> Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
> sole purpose of overtaking.
The self-righteous fully believe that only others break the law.
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
Ideas are great provided they don't degenerate into work.
Jonathon Bates
> I'll do that but always at +5km over the speed limit so in a 60 zone in even
> light traffic I'll happily sit in the right lane doing 65. Same on the
> freeway, in the 100 and 80 zones, +5 km an hour is adequately fast enough,
> if you want to go faster find somewhere to do it legally.
On the freeway I sit on 110-115 depending on the situation. However if
it is raining
ill slow right down. But I hate people that sit in the right hand lane,
I will
if I get the chance just glare at them, and smirk.
> > If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
> > signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
> > out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
>
> Or do just over the speed limit. I'll never purposefully do below the speed
> limit in the right lane, but I'm buggered if I'll sit in the left lane with
> people doing 10km/h below when I can sit in the right lane knowing I'm
> impeding the rush of Z3s and ASVs and VL Calais'.
That is arrogance at its worse, your not a policeman. You are breaking
the law by sitting
in the right hand lane and not overtaking...
Cheers
Batesy
Billy Shields
: Ian Peters wrote:
:> I'll do that but always at +5km over the speed limit so in a 60 zone in even
:> light traffic I'll happily sit in the right lane doing 65. Same on the
:> freeway, in the 100 and 80 zones, +5 km an hour is adequately fast enough,
:> if you want to go faster find somewhere to do it legally.
: On the freeway I sit on 110-115 depending on the situation. However if
: it is raining
: ill slow right down. But I hate people that sit in the right hand lane,
: I will
: if I get the chance just glare at them, and smirk.
:
:> > If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
:> > signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
:> > out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
:>
:> Or do just over the speed limit. I'll never purposefully do below the speed
:> limit in the right lane, but I'm buggered if I'll sit in the left lane with
:> people doing 10km/h below when I can sit in the right lane knowing I'm
:> impeding the rush of Z3s and ASVs and VL Calais'.
: That is arrogance at its worse, your not a policeman. You are breaking
: the law by sitting
: in the right hand lane and not overtaking...
I love this argument: by breaking the law you're preventing me from
breaking the law. What a crime.
Zac Charlesworth
>Tell you what. You do whatever speed you think is appropriate, and let
>other people travel at whatever speed they think is appropriate. And if
>you're in the right hand lane, and someone wants to overtake, let them.
>(Unless you're turning right shortly).
I think we've had this discussion before. We need a limit to cope with
the less skillfully among us(and those who think they're Dick
Johnson). We need to decide eon a limit, and that's what applies.
Zac
Steve
<col...@remove.iinet.net.au> wrote:
>In article <88061p$fmc$2...@she-bitch.digitaljunkie.net>, prk@sweet-
>thang.digitaljunkie.net says...
>> In an Age long past, an Age yet to come, Zac Charlesworth wrote:
>>
>> Unless they pull right 20 km before the turn, and sit there toodling
>> along in the right hand lane.
>>
>> If you're in the right lane, and I come up behind you, I expect you to
>> signal right, and turn off the road within a km or two, or move the fuck
>> out of the lane and let me pass. (generic you, not specific).
>>
>
>However if your one of those "this is the right lane, the speed limit
>doesnt apply here people", then I expect you to slow the fuck down and
>not tailgate my arse when I'm doing the speed limit in front of you (also
>generic speak :)
Hear hear! Don't know if I would have used quite the same terminology
there but I agree with the gist of what you said.
Steve O'Neil
http://www.oneil.com.au/steve/
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Steve
>Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
>on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
>with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
>"Favourites" include:
>
>1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
>even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
>found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
And you think thst the one on the right would at least drop back or
speed up a little.
>2. The Formula 1 driver: "I'm a P-plater, have a V8, am a brilliant
>driver and can handle going 140Km/h weaving in and out of traffic
>without indicating in my old bomb thankyouverymuch!"
Mostly young guys but I've noticed that young girls are often just as
bad. Going at breakneck speed in their little japanese hatch-backs
when most of them really aren't that skilled at driving.
>7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
Grrr! Hate hate!
>8. The cutter-inner:" I know you're just 1m behind me and in the lane
>next to me, but I'll squeeze in anyway, thankyou!" That happend twice
>on the way home today!
The thing that annoys me the most about this is that you try and do
the right thing by leaving a reasonable gap between you and the car in
front, and some clown thinks that you're inviting them to fill the
gap.
>9. The side swiper: the name also says it all: "I want your lane,
>buddy!"
>
>10. "Lane Ends. Please merge left" = stuff you buddy, I'm going to
>accelerate in my 4WD, overtake you and squeeze in anyway.
These two seem to go together. The worst example I've seen of this was
where the roadworks are happening on East Parade for the new
bridge/tunnel. For about a year it was down to one lane which meant
merging traffic. Every day, there'd be several cars who would try to
skip the traffic by ducking down a few backstreets and then expecting
everyone else to let them in when they appeared again.
I think most of the reason there were the constant traffic jms there
every morning was because people just wouldn't merge lanes properly.
Every morning without fail, the same thing. You'd get to the spot
where traffic is meant to merge and cars would literally not merge
until they were almost scraping each other. You'd be almost a full car
lenth ahead of someone in the next lane yet they'd still keep coming.
No way they'd drop back for you until you were nearly touching them.
Every morning! I'm so glad that work's finished. Not that the roadwork
was bad but just the idiots on the road.
I'll add one more big gripe to the list
11. Motorcyclists
Now I'm sure there's good riders out there but they seem to be few and
far between. A few observations about the majority of motorcyclists.
They're a law unto themselves. Rules don't apply to them. They can
speed and weave in and out of traffic. Lane markings don't mean
anything to them since they can just ride between the lanes (I've seen
a pedestrian hit by a motorcyclist doing this and I nearly hit a bike
doing this when I was changing lanes - they all seem to do it though).
Never mind the fact that they're the most vulnerable drivers on the
road. No protection but that's ok. They're invincible.
Some motorcyclists have tried to tell me that it's only a few that
ride that way but I have to disagree. Many times I've actually looked
and I've found that of all the bikes I see, most speed. Most change
lanes at really stupid times - really cutting it fine. Most seem to
think it's ok to ride between the lanes in slower moving traffic.
Hate to say it but I really loathe motorbikes.
Steve
<NOS...@zcs.net.au> wrote:
>Hear Ye, Hear Ye on the 11 Feb 2000 05:17:45 GMT Squire Paul Raj
>Khangure <p...@sweet-thang.digitaljunkie.net> road into town with the
>following important news
>
>>Unless they pull right 20 km before the turn, and sit there toodling
>>along in the right hand lane.
>
>True, that's what the keep left rule is for. But sometimes us people
>not from Perth don't know the exits very well. There's been many times
>I've kept left because I didn't want to upset the Warp Drivers in the
>righthand lane, only to miss my street because I'm not familiar. It
>can sometimes be difficult to get into the righthand lane in Perth
>with only 2 km time.
My wife comes down your way Zac and she had the same trouble on moving
to Perth, especially on the freeway. Whe'd often find that she'd
accidently end up on offramps etc so she just played it safe by
staying out of the left lane. I used to tell her to keep left but that
still doesn't change the fact that the right lane is not indended for
speeding as some people think. I feel absolutely no guilt about
driving in the right lane for a while if I'm doing the limit. If some
jerk thinks I should move over so he/she can speed then they can go
jump.
Steve
<sk...@takeoutwantree.com.au> wrote:
>I used to drive a 350 Statesman. Oh the power :) Tailgaters used to get a
>suprise and a half.. I'd hit the brakes and slam it back to first (turbo
>400) and hit the accelerator - I was going forward again really quickly,
>while they'd just realised I'd hit the brake and we're still skidding to a
>stop :)
>
>Muhahahahah
>
>(Yes.. "Women Drivers"!)
I do occasionally whinge about women drivers but I like the way you
think.
Steve
<ko...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>"Ian Peters" <con...@wantree.com.au> wrote in message
>news:38a54228$0$23...@motown.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> There is no need to speed, and if I can do my part to stop speeding then I
>> will, and that's something you'll have to live with.
>
>Let's not worry about blocking the road when the person in a hurry might be
>having an emergency.
Any car that is allowed to break the speed limit in an emergency is
fitted with a siren and flashing lights. They're easy enough to spot
and therefore easy enough to make room for.
>You're the type of driver I enjoy putting my full beam on.
>Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
>sole purpose of overtaking.
I believe that law only applies on freeways. Besides, speeding is a
much more serious and dangerous offence.
>If you wanna move slower than the flow of traffic; if you don't wanna
>overtake anyone; then stay the hell left.
He wasn't talking about moving slower than the flow of traffic. He was
talking about staying right to avoid slow traffic while not bowing to
those who think they're above the law.
Steve
<gu...@swami.pcguru.com.au> wrote:
>Zac Charlesworth wrote:
>>
>> Paul Raj Khangure <p...@sweet-thang.digitaljunkie.net> sneered:
>>
>> >Tell you what. You do whatever speed you think is appropriate, and let
>> >other people travel at whatever speed they think is appropriate. And if
>> >you're in the right hand lane, and someone wants to overtake, let them.
>>
>> I think we've had this discussion before. We need a limit to cope with
>> the less skillfully among us(and those who think they're Dick
>> Johnson). We need to decide eon a limit, and that's what applies.
>
>Which is just dandy.
>
>'Cept *you* don't why I'm speeding.
>
>And seeing as though you're not a Poe-Leese Officer, you should cease
>blocking my passage.
>
>After all, whut if I were rushing my dawg to the vet? Or pre-haps, my
>child who has somehow managed to place themselves in need of urgent
>medical attention?
>
>Limits are certainly necessary, but we don't need Road Vigilantes
>judging the behaviour of others and executing their idea of punishment.
The comment on road vigilantes is valid but it applies just as well to
people who tailgate slow drivers. Personally I think that tailgating a
slower (and probably less competent) driver is much more dangerous
than preventing some poor soul from getting to their destination 20
seconds earlier. Honestly, how many of those speedsters do you really
think have an emergency to worry about?
Steve
>7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
I recently saw a bumper sticker that said something like, "If you can
read this I can slam on my breaks and sue you." Loved it.
<Note that I was pulled up behind them at lights when I was close
enough to read it>
Billy Shields
: "Zac Charlesworth" <NOS...@zcs.net.au> wrote in message
: news:744baskabqmujnath...@4ax.com...
:>
:> You really should have called the ambulance! :)
: You're driving in the car, and your family member next to you suddenly has a
: heart attack.
: You want us to get out and call an ambulance or continue to drive him to the
: hospital?
:> But your example is the exception rather than the rule, and in a
: And it only takes one exception to cause a person to die because some Volvo
: driver blocked his passage.
Now you're contriving an example to justify your desire to speed.
Lets look at the flaws in that argument:
1. One driver in the right hand lane ain't gonna make a huge
difference. If you can't get by in an emergency by going left
then theres going to be a bunch of drivers in the right hand
lane.
2. If people only sped for emergencies then we wouldn't have a
problem because if someone saw someone else speeding they'd
realise there was a reason. Unfortunately 99.98% of the time
someone is speeding because they're an impatient arsehole who
wants to be one car ahead of you at the next lights instead of
the car behind.
3. Speeding in such a scenario isn't going to make a huge difference
when you factor in traffic lights and the other cars in the road.
4. If you want to get someone to a hospital you probably want to
get off the freeway, not stay on it. That usually means you
should be in the left lane doesn't it? Or are you going to argue
that you should be allowed to cut in at the last minute because
it "might" be an emergency?
People have no problem with rules--as long as they only apply to
other people. Many people think they know better or the particular
rule doesn't apply to them. Its another facet of what I call the
"but this is ME" syndrome.
Learn some fucking patience. So what if a 25 minute journey takes
half an hour instead? Big deal. Show some consideration.
Ian Peters
news:38A55D22...@iinet.net.au...
> On the freeway I sit on 110-115 depending on the situation. However if
> it is raining
> ill slow right down. But I hate people that sit in the right hand lane,
> I will
> if I get the chance just glare at them, and smirk.
And I'll sit on 105 watching them get all frustrated because they can't beat
me.
> That is arrogance at its worse, your not a policeman. You are breaking
> the law by sitting
> in the right hand lane and not overtaking...
You are breaking the law by speeding. If you want to make me get out of the
right hand lane on Canning Hwy during rush hour because I'm not going at 70
km/h tough luck. Dual/triple carriageway roads are built by MRWA with
intent of optimum capacity, not to provide overtaking for those with a need
to 'beat' the others to their intended destination. The law will be
repealed before long anyhow, as Charlton 'MRWA does what I want, how I want
it, when I want it' is no longer minister.
Ian Peters
news:38a54847$0$23...@motown.iinet.net.au...
> Let's not worry about blocking the road when the person in a hurry might
be
> having an emergency.
I certainly won't worry. Emergency - another word devalued in meaning by
the deadbeats of this world.
> You're the type of driver I enjoy putting my full beam on.
> Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
> sole purpose of overtaking.
I think you're looking for incidentally? Oh by the way, incidentally,
you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane and above the speed
limit. My fracturing of the law is a little more gray as heavy traffic (and
who can define heavy traffic?) always warrants a usage of the right lane for
a purpose other than overtaking.
> If you wanna move slower than the flow of traffic; if you don't wanna
> overtake anyone; then stay the hell left.
I don't want to move slower than the flow of traffic, I want to maintain a
reasonable speed and overtake all those doing less than a reasonable speed
and if this warrants my being in the right lane for lengthy periods, so be
it. Those behind me will have to do what I deem a reasonable speed - +5
km/h over the speed limit.
Zac Charlesworth
D. Jordan" <gu...@swami.pcguru.com.au> road into town with the
following important news
>And seeing as though you're not a Poe-Leese Officer, you should cease
>blocking my passage.
I'm not blocking your passage on purpose, I'm just doing the speed
limit. The right lane isn't the only one there, and in all reality in
an emergency doing 120 over 110 is going to make little difference to
when you get to the hospital, taking into account traffic congestion
and the fact that there will always be cars in the right lane.
You really should have called the ambulance! :)
But your example is the exception rather than the rule, and in a
society of order we need limits in place to prevent anarchistic
behaviour.
Zac
Jason Cornelius
You're driving in the car, and your family member next to you suddenly has a
heart attack.
You want us to get out and call an ambulance or continue to drive him to the
hospital?
> But your example is the exception rather than the rule, and in a
And it only takes one exception to cause a person to die because some Volvo
driver blocked his passage.
Jason.
Zac Charlesworth
Cornelius" <ko...@iinet.net.au> road into town with the following
important news
>You want us to get out and call an ambulance or continue to drive him to the
>hospital?
There are a million what if's.. The bottom line is that there is a
speed limit in place, it can be exceeded in an emergency (well, you
usually wont get a ticket :)) however it's not happening so often that
you need exclusive use of the right lane just in case.
>And it only takes one exception to cause a person to die because some Volvo
>driver blocked his passage.
Go into the left lane then, roaor into the bus lane on the freeway or
flash and honk wildly.
Zac
Mic Cullen
to have written:
[snips]
> > Let's not worry about blocking the road when the person in a hurry might
> be
> > having an emergency.
>
> I certainly won't worry. Emergency - another word devalued in meaning by
> the deadbeats of this world.
Is there an award for selfishness that you're trying to win? You 're
doing a good job of it.
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off now.
Paul Raj Khangure
: And I'll sit on 105 watching them get all frustrated because they can't beat
: me.
Then, one day, someone like me is going to get extremely frustrated,
pull out a pistol from the glove box, and try and shoot you out of the
way.
Or they'll tail end you, get out of the car with a baseball bat, and
beat the shit out of you.
I just hope I get to watch.
maybeso
in mind crayon:
>I recently saw a bumper sticker that said something like, "If you can
>read this I can slam on my breaks and sue you." Loved it.
Or the "Caution. The driver of this vehicle brakes for illusions.:
Cheers
Jon "Be glad you don't have to drive in Sydney"
Ian Peters
news:731cas0j7onk926h2...@4ax.com...
> > I certainly won't worry. Emergency - another word devalued in meaning
by
> > the deadbeats of this world.
>
> Is there an award for selfishness that you're trying to win? You 're
> doing a good job of it.
Get off your pedestal fool.
Gene
JK <j...@iinet.net.xx> wrote in message
news:38a2761...@news.m.iinet.net.au...
> Why, oh why are most Perth motorists so incapable of driving correctly
> on the freeway ? I'm getting sick of all the crap I have to put up
> with in the mornings and afternoons on the Kwinana Fwy.
>
> "Favourites" include:
>
> 1. The snail driver:"I know it's a 100Km/h zone, but I'll go 85 anyway
> even though there's no traffic in front of me". These are usually
> found in pairs (or threes!) side by side. Grrrr!!!!
I had that the other day... was great fun driving on the freeway with about
a zillion ppl driving behind these 3 cars doing about 80km/h all next to
each
other with absolutely no one in front... I can't figure that one out....
> 2. The Formula 1 driver: "I'm a P-plater, have a V8, am a brilliant
> driver and can handle going 140Km/h weaving in and out of traffic
> without indicating in my old bomb thankyouverymuch!"
Hehehe... i think it's called "I am King of the Road Syndrom".....
> 3. The Lane changer: "I think I'll go in this lane, the traffic seems
> to be a little faster here. Oh wait, no... I'll change back. Umm...
> no... lemme try and go far left. No... no good either. Back to the
> original lane"
What about the ones that half changes lanes... takes up 2 lanes on the
freeway where there is only 2 lanes... then sits there and thinks about
which lane he/she should stay on.
> 4. The glowing red menace: "I have a Hyundai with a very bright red
> tail fog light in the rear-bumper and I'll use it every time I'm on
> the freeway at night or switch it on and off to make the cars behind
> me slow down."
Actually... lots of cars has these fog lites now... they are absolutely
a pain in the arse when u leave them on. I have a little Hyundai... I only
put it on when it's rainning super heavily or when it's foggy... which
hardly
ever happens anyway....
> 5. The sand blaster. "I'm a truck *full* of sand that's not covered up
> and spewing tonnes of the stuff onto the cars behind me."
This one I am not familiar with....
> 6. The accident voyeur: "Oh look, there's been an accident on the
> *other* side of the freeway. Let's slow down to 60"
Hehehehehe.... major cause of untimely traffic jams on the freeway as
well as the cause of accidents...
> 7. The tail gater: the name says it all...
Hahahaha... these ppl are bastards.... can't stand them... they don't
know anything about breaking distance.... my friends do have fast enough
cars to return the favour as they did last month.... this dickhead decided
to tail gate my friend at about 110km/h on the freeway.. so my friend let
him
pass and tailgated him for a while instead... i think the guy's balls
shrivelled
and he might have pee-ed in his pants after a while.... i can't do this.. my
little Hyunday too slow... hehehe
> 8. The cutter-inner:" I know you're just 1m behind me and in the lane
> next to me, but I'll squeeze in anyway, thankyou!" That happend twice
> on the way home today!
That's downrite dangerous.... but in Singapore and Malaysia... it's an
art...
u can't get anywhere there without doing it... Over here, not exactly
something that needs to be done or learnt....
> 9. The side swiper: the name also says it all: "I want your lane,
> buddy!"
> 10. "Lane Ends. Please merge left" = stuff you buddy, I'm going to
> accelerate in my 4WD, overtake you and squeeze in anyway.
Yeah... not only 4WD... pretty much anything... even old bombs because
they don't give a damn..
Anyway.. with all the crap about speeding and right laners... i think (only
what
i think) if someone comes up behind you and you can change lanes.. just be
courteous and let them pass if possible... it's not exactly that hard... and
if you are
the car behind wanting to pass... just give them a signal that you want to
do so...
just give them a "high beam" after a while... don't fucking tailgate... so
fucking
dangerous... (but take it easy on the "high beam"... u don't want to blind
the person)
:))
That's my two cents... (probably more)
Gene
Mic Cullen
to have written:
[snips]
> > Is there an award for selfishness that you're trying to win? You 're
> > doing a good job of it.
>
> Get off your pedestal fool.
I'm sorry, was that supposed to hurt me in some way?
You need a bit of real world experience, and to grow up. It's a worry
when the people I go to uni with, (most of them are straight from
school), have got a *far* better grasp on "real life" than you have.
Selfishness isn't the answer to all of the world's problems.
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
You are always doing something marginal when the boss drops by your desk.
John Blahusiak
> Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
> sole purpose of overtaking.
I hadn't read that regulation. Maybe it falls into the driving with your
dick in your hand category.
ps. You're also breaking the law if you speed; even while overtaking.
What's your point?
j
ay-ee-go
smile
John Blahusiak
> I think by my age I'm beginning to understand "real life". Yet I find
> myself agreeing with Ian far more often than with say, Zac.
Actually at your age dementia is starting to slowly degrade your
already fragile hold on reality. :)
> I don't think Ian is being "selfish", rather I think he believes in
> himself enough to see that the Nanny/Welfare State mentality is a
> complete crock of shit.
The problem with taking the silver wrapping off things, and exposing
things for what they really are, is that you often end up making
people disagree with you who otherwise wouldn't. Because the first
step usually involves terms and arguments which are neccessarily
"extreme"; and although many people would agree with some parts
of the argument, the most simplistic position is the one people
end up rejecting out of hand.
There is a need for a safety net; there is a risk of dependency.
How do you weigh these two sides of a coin? I don't want to see
an I'm-alright-Jack Australia; but I recognise that you only have to
walk into Centrelink Milligan St to see that something is
fundamentally depressing about the whole situation. Depressing
because you get an inkling of an idea that there are people
being helped by support, who would be hurt by its removal; and
there are those who are not being helped by support, who
would be hurt by its removal.
Probably the most depressing thing about it though isn't that
the most urgent need of people is being addressed by welfare;
but that the 'welfare state mentality' to borrow a phrase
is making its way into government where the objective isn't
welfare. But then you're not asking why the welfare state
mentality is such a complete crock of shit when you see
the people it damages; but are instead asking what the
business of government is, and then you start to forget the
people that it damages.
j
ay-ee-go
smile
John Blahusiak
As an english major I hope that government support for some things
continues; support for the arts, and my education, being two of them.
Particularly that second one, come to think of it.
So whilst I recognise that the paradox of increasing reliance on
government = increasing need for revenue = increasing tax =
increasing reliance of government... I can't help but feel
that things are going to go a little pear shaped in the
meantime, especially in my future field, which it's difficult
to get paid for anywhere :) As such, my goal is to concern myself
more with the little pictures than the big one this year; it helps
avoid the conflicts of interest and thought :P (two concurrent
conversations on the left and right hemispheres made for a
dangerously neurotic second year, let me tell you :)
> Jason "Green Stamps for Tequila?" Jordan
Where do I sign up? :)
j
ay-ee-go
smile
Anthony Shipley
>"I get great satisfaction in refusing to speed up or move aside for
>them and then speeding and blocking them off so they cant tear past me
>at 150kmh. (I am doing the speed limit)"
>
>Hear Hear!!
Mic, I think this one deserves some savagery.
-
anthony shipley
xpct th nxpctd
Ian Peters
> You need a bit of real world experience, and to grow up. It's a worry
> when the people I go to uni with, (most of them are straight from
> school), have got a *far* better grasp on "real life" than you have.
These people you go to uni with are probably similar in mind to yourself,
hence have similar thoughts and perspectives that you have and you judge
them as being more learned people as they concur with your ideals. Those
such as myself with whom you have little in common, you thus degrade as of a
lower intellectual and wisened state as my thoughts and opinions are not
what you consider on a par with yours.
Anthony Shipley
>Tell you what. You do whatever speed you think is appropriate, and let
>other people travel at whatever speed they think is appropriate. And if
>you're in the right hand lane, and someone wants to overtake, let them.
Does this attitude extend to hackers too?
Ian Peters
news:885c0c$7op$1...@enyo.uwa.edu.au...
> The problem with taking the silver wrapping off things, and exposing
> things for what they really are, is that you often end up making
> people disagree with you who otherwise wouldn't.
The art of politics is one I'm not keen to study :P
> There is a need for a safety net; there is a risk of dependency.
> How do you weigh these two sides of a coin? I don't want to see
> an I'm-alright-Jack Australia; but I recognise that you only have to
> walk into Centrelink Milligan St to see that something is
> fundamentally depressing about the whole situation. Depressing
> because you get an inkling of an idea that there are people
> being helped by support, who would be hurt by its removal; and
> there are those who are not being helped by support, who
> would be hurt by its removal.
Welfare safety nets are economically sensible to a point, and it makes
better economic sense for the community as a whole to spend on welfare
rather than the costs of letting the lesser citizens of society run amok,
which does happen in countries with little welfare. However on the other
hand, the propensity to overspend on welfare is *very* easy, and finding the
correct balance of maintaining law and order while at the same time not
creating a welfare state is a balance that is always debated. Then again
notions like this don't gel with the general population - community as a
whole tends only to think in terms of feasts and famines. I have no opinion
of the situation in Australia, I'll let a socio-economic analyst do that.
Anthony Shipley
>Funny how it's always successful people who are pasted with the
>"Selfish" Label.
I kinda thought that was a cue for you to enter, stage right.
>Seems some people have a problem with taking the wraps off things that
>have always been held sacred and exposing them for what they really are.
You seem to have less dislike for sacred cows than a like for self.
Anthony Shipley
>Of course there is no argument when it comes to the disabled, although I
>know a number of disabled folk who are making a real go of it!
Presumably you opt for a very narrow definition of disablement such as,
let's say, _visible_ impairment.
Mic Cullen
to have written:
[snips]
> > You need a bit of real world experience, and to grow up. It's a worry
> > when the people I go to uni with, (most of them are straight from
> > school), have got a *far* better grasp on "real life" than you have.
>
> These people you go to uni with are probably similar in mind to yourself,
Unlikely, given that I'm about double their age, and that wee discuss
things from different POV's quite often.
> hence have similar thoughts and perspectives that you have and you judge
> them as being more learned people as they concur with your ideals. Those
The ability use big words in a sentence doesn't mean the sentence means
any more than if you express yourself plainly & clearly.
> such as myself with whom you have little in common, you thus degrade as of a
> lower intellectual and wisened state as my thoughts and opinions are not
> what you consider on a par with yours.
I said you were selfish and immature, not stupid. Your attempt to
impress with big words does nothing to change my opinion. (It simply
brings the term "psuedo-intellectual" to mind.)
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY.
(RCT - 1999)
Mic Cullen
to have written:
[snips]
> Mic, I think this one deserves some savagery.
Why do you tell *me*?
:-)
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
Rap is to music what the Etch-a-Sketch is to art.
Mark Fletcher
> ast...@iinet.net.au (Anthony Shipley), far, far away from here, appears
> to have written:
>
> [snips]
>
> > Mic, I think this one deserves some savagery.
>
> Why do you tell *me*?
>
> :-)
>
Fletch
Anthony Shipley
>Why do you tell *me*?
You do it so well.
Not only does the halfwit not snip a single line, he actually copies and
pastes the paragraph he's responding to at the top of his response
diligently enclosed in quotes.
I don't think I could restrain myself.
Anthony Shipley
>You Dickhead,
>
>Jason "*sigh*" Jordan
A personal insight into yourself for which all present are very
grateful.
Jason Cornelius
>
> I hadn't read that regulation. Maybe it falls into the driving with your
> dick in your hand category.
Fuck off John.. I partake in debates with my dick in my hand.
I drive while looking in a mirror.
Jason.
Billy Shields
: "Ian Peters" <con...@wantree.com.au>, far, far away from here, appears
: to have written:
: [snips]
:> > You need a bit of real world experience, and to grow up. It's a worry
:> > when the people I go to uni with, (most of them are straight from
:> > school), have got a *far* better grasp on "real life" than you have.
:>
:> These people you go to uni with are probably similar in mind to yourself,
: Unlikely, given that I'm about double their age, and that wee discuss
: things from different POV's quite often.
Actually Ian has a point (to a point). Think of the uni students you
know. Many of them fall into one or more of the following categories:
1) Triple J is cool
2) Label themselves as "alternative" (how can EVERYONE be alternative?)
3) The Liberals are evil
4) The ALP is a lesser evil
5) The Democrats (pre-GST) are cool
6) Anything "mainstream" is bad
Etc
Now this doesn't preclude other points of view or opinions but in
my experience the above are *extremely* common for uni students.
Interestingly a lot of it dies out in the years after they leave
uni.
:> hence have similar thoughts and perspectives that you have and you judge
:> them as being more learned people as they concur with your ideals. Those
: The ability use big words in a sentence doesn't mean the sentence means
: any more than if you express yourself plainly & clearly.
True enough.
:> such as myself with whom you have little in common, you thus degrade as of a
:> lower intellectual and wisened state as my thoughts and opinions are not
:> what you consider on a par with yours.
: I said you were selfish and immature, not stupid. Your attempt to
: impress with big words does nothing to change my opinion. (It simply
: brings the term "psuedo-intellectual" to mind.)
Which brings up the point of your original "selfish" comment. I find
it really amusing. People want to selfishly break the law (remember:
"but this is ME!") yet they're quite happy to point the finger and
label anyone who gets in their way as selfish. I believe its a
definite case of the pot calling the kettle black.
: ---
: Cheers,
: Mic [Return address works]
: INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY.
: (RCT - 1999)
Ian Peters
> Unlikely, given that I'm about double their age, and that wee discuss
> things from different POV's quite often.
I'm glad you associate with such informed individuals. Meanwhile in this
caveman land of mine ...
> > hence have similar thoughts and perspectives that you have and you judge
> > them as being more learned people as they concur with your ideals.
Those
>
> The ability use big words in a sentence doesn't mean the sentence means
> any more than if you express yourself plainly & clearly.
Yes, A-grade English Literature wasn't it ... I prefer the scientific 'plain
& clear' 'black & white' 'right & wrong' approach, but I thought I might be
talking a jargon you would appreciate.
> I said you were selfish and immature, not stupid. Your attempt to
> impress with big words does nothing to change my opinion. (It simply
> brings the term "psuedo-intellectual" to mind.)
What is pseudo-intellectual?
Billy Shields
:>
:> The Gooroo said:
:> >Limits are certainly necessary, but we don't need Road Vigilantes
:> >judging the behaviour of others and executing their idea of punishment.
:>
:> The comment on road vigilantes is valid but it applies just as well to
:> people who tailgate slow drivers. Personally I think that tailgating a
:> slower (and probably less competent) driver is much more dangerous
:> than preventing some poor soul from getting to their destination 20
:> seconds earlier. Honestly, how many of those speedsters do you really
:> think have an emergency to worry about?
: Exactly my point.
: I don't know how many speedsters have a perfectly valid reason to be
: passing me.
: But that's not my place to judge.
This is indicative of the rise of individualism in Western society.
How far do you take not getting involved? If you see a guy beating
up a guy on your way home from the pub do you intervene? What if
hes using a baseball bat? What if several guys are beating him?
What if its a woman? How far do you go?
Archetyal individualism signals a basic breakdown in society.
Throughout history societies (or communities if you prefer) have
relied on self-policing. The city is a big anonymous place where
many people don't even know their neighbours' names. There are
no social consequences. Arguably this results in a lot of
anti-social behaviour.
Where would we be if people hadn't taken a stand? Would slavery
have ended? What would've happened to the civil rights movement?
Theres an old saying that goes something like "for evil to succeed
good men just need to do nothing". At what point do you put your
hand up to be counted?
: Either they'll be pulled over by the Poe-Leese further up the road or
: I'll find them embedded in the front end of a Semi in 20 minutes time.
And what if they kill someone else in the process? Is it still
nothing to do with you? A friend and I were driving in Mt Lawley
Thursday a week ago when we came to a slow spot on Beaufort St.
I heard on the news later than a 6 year old boy had been killed
there. Now I don't know why or how this happened but I have to
wonder: how many things like this happen because people decide
they know better (eg speeding) or they simply allow it to happen?
: Bottom Line:
: You do as you like as long as you don't interfere with the same right
: that others have.
You have a right to privacy but where your actions have consequences
I would argue that you not only have a right but a duty to intervene.
: Plus - if someone is exhibiting road behaviour that you find
: "distasteful", let them go.
: Then you can carry on driving in your happy, zacca, hat-wearing,
: volvo-driving, headlights-on, listening-to-air-supply, I'll use any lane
: I like, way. And you won't upset anyone.
Would you feel the same way if you got out of the way for a speeding
maniac and they ended up killing someone?
: See, there's room for everyone.
: Gee. I should be a Christian.
Nonsense. You don't have a community minded bone in your body.
David Bradford
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> David Bradford <brad...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:38a420d1$0$18...@motown.iinet.net.au...
>
> > I agree with this too. It seems all that the designers of our freeways
> only
> > made 'easy' designs. The fact that the design is absolutely ridiculous
> seems
> > to of escaped them(..as proven by the fact that their is only ONE lane
> > between our two major freeways..)
>
> erno. You can stop lying now and tell the truth if you like ... oh but it
> doesn't suit your case, what a shame.
>
> Whatever the case, you won't have to put up with the current situation
much
> longer as once the 2nd Narrows bridge is finished the geometry of the
whole
> interchange will need alterations.
>
> --
> ////// ///// ////// Ian Peters
> // // // // http://jaguar.axg.net/ian
> // // ////// Benetton Formula 1
> ////// ///// //
>
>
Hopefully that whole interchange(Kwinana/Mitchell Fwy's/Mounts Bay
Rd/Riverside Drv) will be much improved...combine this with the widening of
the Mitchell up to Hepburn and the Graham Farmer Fwy and my driving
experiences will be that much more pleasant.
Helly-Bear
news:38a62501$0$23...@motown.iinet.net.au...
> I had that the other day... was great fun driving on the freeway with
about a zillion ppl driving behind these 3 cars doing about 80km/h all next
to each other with absolutely no one in front... I can't figure that one
out....
Hahah I think I was in the same situation the other day too!! Couldnt get
around them, just a block of about 20-30 cars heading to the city, all doing
80..
<snip>
> > 4. The glowing red menace: "I have a Hyundai with a very bright red tail
fog light in the rear-bumper and I'll use it every time I'm on the freeway
at night or switch it on and off to make the cars behind me slow down."
That red light is painful. I think Hyundai drivers are desperate for
accessories and gadgets in their bog standard cars so they have to have it
on :)
<Snip>
> > 6. The accident voyeur: "Oh look, there's been an accident on the
*other* side of the freeway. Let's slow down to 60"
I hate Tow trucks! Why the heck can't they block the traffic for a couple of
minutes and sweep the glass off the freeway after an accident? Years and
years of driving home over the narrows and there would be a traffic jam,
while people crawled over the glass left by an accident.. AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
that used to drive me nuts!
If im passing cars in the right lane and someones sat behind me keeping up,
I pull into the left lane as soon as im past the cars and let the car behind
me go thru. Then as soon as my lane's congested, I pull back into the right
lane, go forward until there's a big enough gap in the left lane for me to
continue in. Its an easy process often spoilt by people who don't want you
in the left or right lane :)
§:Ş
Helen
John Blahusiak
> Actually Ian has a point (to a point). Think of the uni students you
> know. Many of them fall into one or more of the following categories:
> 1) Triple J is cool
> 2) Label themselves as "alternative" (how can EVERYONE be alternative?)
> 3) The Liberals are evil
> 4) The ALP is a lesser evil
> 5) The Democrats (pre-GST) are cool
> 6) Anything "mainstream" is bad
> Etc
God this is knobletty. The overwhelming majority of uni students
couldn't be fucked labelling themselves as anything, let alone
forming deeply held political beliefs. The stereotype you have
described above might have been true for the Young Ones,
but trust me, it's a very small proportion of people that you'd
recognise according to these criteria on any campus.
Most people are happy enough to work their part time job,
fill up with piss on the weekend at the subsidised shows,
and leave the socio-political alternativism to the same
thirty odd people who turn up to each of the organised rallies.
j
ay-ee-go
smile
John Blahusiak
> Fuck off John.. I partake in debates with my dick in my hand.
> I drive while looking in a mirror.
Hmm.. smiley evidently neccessary in hindsight. You used
the word 'indecently' .. I guess for incidentally :P
j
ay-ee-go
smile
Jason Cornelius
>
> Hmm.. smiley evidently neccessary in hindsight. You used
> the word 'indecently' .. I guess for incidentally :P
*snort*
You know, that's the second time that's been pointed out to me, but I still
refuse to admit I made that error in any form of sober state
:)
Actually, I think this is a good example of why you shouldn't have 100%
faith in the spell checker.
It picked up the spelling mistake and offered what it thought I was trying
to say.
I've grown so used to just blindly letting it fix my errors, that I let that
one pass without noticing.
This is also why when referring to Zac in many of my posts, I end up talking
to a Sac.
As for you.. Fricken English majors!
Jason.
Paul Raj Khangure
How far do you want to take the analogy?
My personal opinion is that unless you know what you're doing, you don't
mess too much with the script kiddies. Just log whatever they're doing,
and forward it to the sysadmins to deal with.
And even then, that's if a cracker is affecting you directly, or you
know of someone who's cracking. In the case of a freeway, the guy doing
120 in the right hand lane doesn't care about your existance, unless
you're doing less than 120 in the right hand lane.
Paul Raj Khangure
--
I stayed up all last night playing poker with tarot cards.
I got a full house and four people died. - Stephen Wright.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Mic Cullen
appears to have written:
[snips]
> :> These people you go to uni with are probably similar in mind to yourself,
>
> : Unlikely, given that I'm about double their age, and that wee discuss
> : things from different POV's quite often.
>
> Actually Ian has a point (to a point).
Maybe it's the course I'm in, but a less homogeneous group at uni would
be hard to find.
> Think of the uni students you
> know. Many of them fall into one or more of the following categories:
>
> 1) Triple J is cool
Yeah, that's almost all of them.
> 2) Label themselves as "alternative" (how can EVERYONE be alternative?)
Nope.
> 3) The Liberals are evil
Some of them. (More lecturers than students though.)
> 4) The ALP is a lesser evil
Some of them.
> 5) The Democrats (pre-GST) are cool
VERY few of them.
> 6) Anything "mainstream" is bad
Nope.
> Etc
>
> Now this doesn't preclude other points of view or opinions but in
> my experience the above are *extremely* common for uni students.
Not so in my course, for some reason.
> Interestingly a lot of it dies out in the years after they leave
> uni.
Well, it would have to.
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
Mic Cullen
appears to have written:
[snips]
> this is knobletty.
I just like the word...
> Most people are happy enough to work their part time job,
> fill up with piss on the weekend at the subsidised shows,
> and leave the socio-political alternativism to the same
> thirty odd people who turn up to each of the organised rallies.
Yeah, we *report* the news, we don't *make* it, man!
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
Gaffa tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side,
and it holds the universe together....
Mic Cullen
to have written:
[snips]
> Actually, I think this is a good example of why you shouldn't have 100%
> faith in the spell checker.
An extremely dangerous way to do things...
---
Cheers,
Mic [Return address works]
"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
Dan Quayle, Former US Vice President
John Blahusiak
> As for you.. Fricken English majors!
Your spell checker seems to have confused majors with wankers. Is
that the American version you're using? :)
j
ay-ee-go
smile
JT
<jay...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
>In lutulent reality, Jason Cornelius we imagined wrote:
>> Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
>> sole purpose of overtaking.
>
>I hadn't read that regulation. Maybe it falls into the driving with your
>dick in your hand category.
>
>ps. You're also breaking the law if you speed; even while overtaking.
>What's your point?
The point is you are more likely to get booked for not keeping left
and since this ruling only came in a little while back some people may
not be aware of it. I think the regulation has been around for many
many years in other states of australia.
JT
Jeff B
Steve wrote in message <38a599c8...@news.m.iinet.net.au>...
>I recently saw a bumper sticker that said something like, "If you can
>read this I can slam on my breaks and sue you." Loved it.
I loved the one that reads:
"Unless your a hemoroid get of my ass"
I got no spell checker so if the spellings wrong shit happens.
JB
Helly-Bear
news:38a834a7$0$32...@motown.iinet.net.au...
And its apparently painful when u do shit :)
If you need a dictionary, www.dictionary.com
..if you can't spell haemm.. hemar.. hemaroid.. hemorrhoids then search on
"Piles" instead LOL :)
My favourite bumper sticker says "If you can read this, i've lost my
caravan" :)
§:Ş
Helen
Phil L
> My favourite bumper sticker says "If you can read this, i've lost my
> caravan" :)
>
Or the back of a bikers shirt.....
"If you can read this, the bitch fell off" :-)
>
> §:Ş
>
> Helen
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Paul Saccani
<ko...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>You're the type of driver I enjoy putting my full beam on.
>Indecently, you're breaking the law if you're in the fast lane without the
>sole purpose of overtaking.
Evidently, you are not in any way familiar with the law.
There are a number of lawful reasons for traveling in the right lane.
1st on in the legislation relates to traffic congestion.
It is NOT designated as an overtaking lane.
It IS an offence to drive in a manner calculated to intimidate, and it
is an offence to use your main beam in the manner you indicate.
I presume you mean incidently, rather than indecently.
Cheers,
Paul Saccani
Hulu Langat,
Selangor,
Malaysia
Paul Saccani
>Any car that is allowed to break the speed limit in an emergency is
>fitted with a siren and flashing lights. They're easy enough to spot
>and therefore easy enough to make room for.
MRD vehicles are allowed to exceed posted speed limits for speed
zoning purposes. They are not required to use flashing lights or
sirens. In practice, four amber strobes are fitted and used when
exceeding the speed limit.
In WA, as in most states, zoning is based on tests rather than
arbitary formulae.
Paul Saccani
<ko...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>You're driving in the car, and your family member next to you suddenly has a
>heart attack.
>You want us to get out and call an ambulance or continue to drive him to the
>hospital?
You might give them a better chance if you stopped and administred
CPR. Or simply proceeded normally. An analysis of records WRT to
exceeding the speed limits for the purpose of life saving, where
emergency vehicles were used, showed that exceeding the speed limits
caused roughly 6 deaths for every life that was saved by getting to
the hospital earlier.
Paul Saccani
<bat...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>That is arrogance at its worse, your not a policeman. You are breaking
>the law by sitting
>in the right hand lane and not overtaking...
No, there is NO such law. Traffic congestion is specifically allowed
as a reason for travelling in the right lane.
Paul Saccani
<brad...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>I agree with this too. It seems all that the designers of our freeways only
>made 'easy' designs. The fact that the design is absolutely ridiculous seems
>to of escaped them(..as proven by the fact that their is only ONE lane
>between our two major freeways..)
Actaully, there are two. There is one designated lane, but the "Hay
St West" lane returns to the Mitchell Fwy.
Paul Saccani
>11. Motorcyclists
>Now I'm sure there's good riders out there but they seem to be few and
>far between. A few observations about the majority of motorcyclists.
>They're a law unto themselves. Rules don't apply to them. They can
>speed and weave in and out of traffic. Lane markings don't mean
>anything to them since they can just ride between the lanes (I've seen
>a pedestrian hit by a motorcyclist doing this and I nearly hit a bike
>doing this when I was changing lanes - they all seem to do it though).
A speeding motorcyclist, or one travelling very slowly will be seen by
more motorists during his journey. One travelling at pace speed will
be observed with the lowest frequency. Thus your observations are
unintentionally biased.
>Never mind the fact that they're the most vulnerable drivers on the
>road. No protection but that's ok. They're invincible.
Roughly 15% of deaths at the moment, aren't they? Funny thing is, the
accident rate for motorcycles is much lower than for cars. The
consequences are worse for each accident though.
>Some motorcyclists have tried to tell me that it's only a few that
>ride that way but I have to disagree. Many times I've actually looked
>and I've found that of all the bikes I see, most speed.
For your observation to have any validity, you would have to do it
from a fixed point, preferably with a speed measuring device. I've
done this a few times (using a laser speed gun), and found that
motorcycles travel slower than unimpeded four wheelers, but somewhat
faster in congested conditions.
>Most change
>lanes at really stupid times - really cutting it fine.
That is not a smart thing to do.
>Most seem to
>think it's ok to ride between the lanes in slower moving traffic.
It is lawful, and research shows that this (riding between lanes, not
necessarily overtaking) is the safest course of action for
motorcyclists. The lowest accident rate is achieved with this lane
position and travelling 5 kmj faster than the 85th percentile speed of
the traffic stream.
This is thought to be because the chance of collision is reduced, as
motorcyclists can more accurately judge or perceive the limits of
their vehicle when overtaking, whilst car drivers have more difficulty
in defining or perceiving the edge of their vehicles. However, a
convincing experiment to test this hypothesis is yet to be done.
Paul Saccani
<con...@wantree.com.au> wrote:
>Paul Saccani <sac...@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
>
>> I presume you mean incidently, rather than indecently.
>
>Wrong again. Incidentally.
Thanks.
Paul Saccani
>Because he thinks that everybody thinks clearly in an emergency and could
>give a fuck what the stats might say?
You are quite right. If you can't think clearly now, you are unlikely
to be able to think clearly in an emergency. So your argument is that
because you can not think clearly, people who think clearly damn well
ought to get out of your way. Which hardly supports your argument
that people in your way are in any way reducing yourself or your
patient. In fact, they are hindering you in your misguided efforts to
kill yourself and others by intemperate acts.
>bah!
>Just another know it all that knows nothing about how the real world works.
I've meet around 700 people like you, on the slab. They think they
know it all, and end up killing themselves and others. The way the
real world works, smart arses think they know everything about
driving. They find out they don't by killing someone. Many are too
stupid to realise their ignorance even then.
Stangely, their brains usually weigh the same as sensible peoples
brains. I sincerely hope that no one is ever in the position of
weighing your brain, and that you die of old age.
Paul Saccani
<ko...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>Rubbish. As someone that's speaking from experience, if yer old man is
>having a heart attack in the car, then you do NOT take your time in getting
>him to a hospital.
I remember one case I did here some years ago, were 5 people were
killed by someone in a flap driving stupidly. A few minutes makes
very little difference to someones survival chances if they have an
MI.
>And as for that other dick's post, you can't perform CPR on a guy that still
>has a heartbeat and is still breathing.
Sure you can, it's just not very good for them. In your case, you can
drive wisely, get all 3 of you to the hospital alive, not kill anyone
on the way, and if neccessary, administer CPR.
>And even if it was a sudden, complete coronary, maybe yer brother travelling
>in the back seat could administer the CPR while you rush him to the
>hospital.
I doubt it very much. It is very hard to get enough compression if
there is any give to the surface the patient is on. You probably
won't be able to fit him in a position which leaves the airway clear
either.
>Or is having more than two people in the car something you conveniently
>overlooked to aid your stats - sorry argument?
Considering I was talking about ambulances and the like, anyone of
moderate intelligence might deduce that there is more than two
occupants. If an ambulance, with a siren and lights and a well
trained crew kills 6 people for everyone they save if they speed, do
you seriously believe that anyone in a flap can do better? There is a
reason that ambulances generally drive slower nowadays. WA Police
used to drive transplant surgens and organs at high speed from the
airport to the hospital, but after looking at the reality (that you
seem to think you know about), they found it to be counterproductive.
They now travel at the speed limit, with priority being given to them
at intersections as needed. And that was for a case were they were
able to contol all intersections and not worry about conflicting
traffic. The risks for a panicing driver in a private car are,
needless to say, somewhat greater.
Diogenes
This is the group of drivers I see every night trying to cut across two
lanes to continue their journey North. Add to this the people in the Charles
St exit trying to beat a few cars and changing lanes at the last minute, and
it gets pretty hairy at some times. I disagree with one of your earlier
posts Paul regarding car drivers knowing their car boundaries. Some of these
people can make their car fit into a space with only centimetres to spare on
either side. Obviously the work of an experienced driver ;-P