Recogito and IIIF
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James Heald
Nov 17, 2018, 9:56:22 AM11/17/18
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Hi all,
A number of you will be familiar with Recogito, a platform very widely
in the digital humanities community and beyond for creating linked-data
annotations to text, manuscript, and map images, originally particularly
strong for the classical world, but now being used even more widely:
https://recogito.pelagios.org/
Recogito has recently added IIIF as a service that images can be sourced
from:
https://twitter.com/aboutgeo/status/1053211988006977536
What would close the loop would be to be able to output the details of
the image plus the annotations recorded in Recogito an a new IIIF manifest.
According to part of an email from lead developer Rainer Simon (
https://twitter.com/aboutgeo ) that I saw recently:
> I think it wouldn't be a huge implementation task either, since Recogito already exposes the annotations as JSON-LD, in WebAnno format - which is the core of how annotations are published in IIIF.
>
> It's the "somehow" part though that has been proving complicated so far ;-) I don't know what *exactly* the export/API response would need to look like, so that it's a valid IIIF annotation list. If someone can spend some time to look into the IIIF standard, compare that with the current Recogito JSON-LD output, and get me an example of what we'd need to change/add on our end, I think I could implement it very quickly. But digging through the specs myself, and understanding all the moving parts of the IIIF presentation ecosystem... that's currently beyond the time I have at hand I'm afraid.
>
> Whenever I got the request, I've subtly tried to hint that doing that kind of digging and producing an example would be a *fantastic* way to contribute to Recogito development and incredibly useful & appreciated :-) Alas... the reaction then has so far been kind-of "oh, I don't have time for that either, just thought you should do it", which (even though I 100% agree that we should do) has frankly been a bit disappointing, too.
which pretty much matches what also he told me on Twitter a couple of
weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/heald_j/status/1055508484471578624
Could anyone quickly create a quick before-and-after comparison, to
compare the WebAnno JSON-LD that Recognito can produce at the moment
with a comparable IIIF manifest?
It would be great to see this moving forwards.
Best regards,
James.
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A number of you will be familiar with Recogito, a platform very widely
in the digital humanities community and beyond for creating linked-data
annotations to text, manuscript, and map images, originally particularly
strong for the classical world, but now being used even more widely:
https://recogito.pelagios.org/
Recogito has recently added IIIF as a service that images can be sourced
from:
https://twitter.com/aboutgeo/status/1053211988006977536
What would close the loop would be to be able to output the details of
the image plus the annotations recorded in Recogito an a new IIIF manifest.
According to part of an email from lead developer Rainer Simon (
https://twitter.com/aboutgeo ) that I saw recently:
> I think it wouldn't be a huge implementation task either, since Recogito already exposes the annotations as JSON-LD, in WebAnno format - which is the core of how annotations are published in IIIF.
>
> It's the "somehow" part though that has been proving complicated so far ;-) I don't know what *exactly* the export/API response would need to look like, so that it's a valid IIIF annotation list. If someone can spend some time to look into the IIIF standard, compare that with the current Recogito JSON-LD output, and get me an example of what we'd need to change/add on our end, I think I could implement it very quickly. But digging through the specs myself, and understanding all the moving parts of the IIIF presentation ecosystem... that's currently beyond the time I have at hand I'm afraid.
>
> Whenever I got the request, I've subtly tried to hint that doing that kind of digging and producing an example would be a *fantastic* way to contribute to Recogito development and incredibly useful & appreciated :-) Alas... the reaction then has so far been kind-of "oh, I don't have time for that either, just thought you should do it", which (even though I 100% agree that we should do) has frankly been a bit disappointing, too.
which pretty much matches what also he told me on Twitter a couple of
weeks ago:
https://twitter.com/heald_j/status/1055508484471578624
Could anyone quickly create a quick before-and-after comparison, to
compare the WebAnno JSON-LD that Recognito can produce at the moment
with a comparable IIIF manifest?
It would be great to see this moving forwards.
Best regards,
James.
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Ben Brumfield
Nov 18, 2018, 10:10:05 AM11/18/18
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Hi James,
We've done something similar in FromThePage, which can both ingest IIIF images for transcription and expose transcripts as annotations on derivative[*] IIIF manifests. That might be useful as a model for forming Recogito output into IIIF+WebAnnotations.
See the manifest for this bit of correspondence, sourced from UCD's IIIF repository, transcribed on FromThePage and re-presented there: https://fromthepage.com/iiif/918/manifest
Documentation on our IIIF implementation and associated APIs is at https://github.com/benwbrum/fromthepage/wiki/FromThePage-Support-for-the-IIIF-Presentation-API-and-Web-Annotations
We've been very pleased with IIIF as the foundation for our integration with digital library systems and other IIIF clients. At this point, the items we'd like to add are mainly canvas-level annotation layers to support Mirador's side panel and exposure of URIs for entities mentioned within a text, separately from the text transcript. (We'll probably look to Recogito for a model when we get to that.)
[*] Note that derivative manifest generation is a discouraged pattern, but at the moment it may be the best stopgap for reuse until widespread adoption notification services like Rerum Inbox for system A announcing annotations on system B's manifests.
Ben
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Glen Robson
Nov 19, 2018, 5:24:04 AM11/19/18
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Hi James,
Your message comes at a fortuitous time! I asked Rainer last week to do a demo of Recogito on this weeks community call and he is agreed. I will send out the agenda for the call now.
Cheers
Glen Robson
IIIF Technical Coordinator
International Image Interoperability Framework (IIIF) Consortium
http://iiif.io
International Image Interoperability Framework (IIIF) Consortium
http://iiif.io
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