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Oct 20, 2009, 12:58:56 PM10/20/09
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Nate Otto <otto...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ignite Corvallis 2 Lineup Selected
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:50:06 -0700
To: Jason <prot...@gmail.com>


Jason,

That is disappointing to hear. I was hoping that my proposal would provide a good contrast to the usual Ignite topics. People don't often cover economics. If you choose to offer me a guaranteed position if somebody drops out, I would accept, but I do not want to put together a presentation that might not be given. I have a lot to do this fall, between studying for the GRE, applying to grad schools, and finding a new job. As I will be in grad school next year, I will not be available for Ignite Corvallis 3. Best of luck preparing your event.

Nate

Jason wrote:
Nate,

The Ignite Corvallis 2 selection committee met last night to select the final lineup for the November 5th event and I sorry to say your proposal wasn't selected for the final 14.  The decision was difficult and we really appreciate you taking the time to submit a proposal.

However, there's a chance that you still may make it into the final line-up.  We need alternates in case someone cannot present due to unforeseen reasons.  We have already had one finalist let us know they cannot present.

Are you interested in being an alternate?  Clearly we already have one spot potentially available and more may open up.  Also, we may review your slide deck and make a last minute addition if we like what we see.  However, this may mean that you make an Ignite slide deck that isn't seen at Ignite Corvallis 2.  Slide decks are due November 2nd.

We definitely encourage you to try again and resubmit your proposal for Ignite Corvallis 3 next year!

Please let us know if you are interested in being an alternate in the next couple of days.

If you have any questions, concerns, or comment please feel free to send an email.


Thanks,
Ignite Corvallis Selection Team


Jason

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Oct 20, 2009, 1:25:16 PM10/20/09
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Nate Otto <otto...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ignite Corvallis 2 Lineup Selected
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:24:05 -0700
To: Jason <prot...@gmail.com>


Jason,

I will finish working up a few diagrams tonight to further explain my purpose and show how this preso might be delivered. Most people do not think about the fundamental structure of our money (as debt), even when they make criticisms of "inflationary" policies. I aim to show the implications of money as debt, which is a structure that provides the opportunity for governments to run deficits but has the effect of forcing the economy to grow in order to cover existing obligations. Almost every country in the world has adopted this structure, and I think understanding this structure is the necessary first step to contemplating what kind of arrangement might be better and more sustainable.

Arguments that follow from this understanding push for "relocalization" of economic activity, and alternate currency structures that are not subject to the growth imperative.

Thanks for your consideration, and I will follow up with a few diagrams tonight.
-Nate

Jason wrote:
Nate,

We were interested in your presentation because it was different.  Any chance you could provide some more details about content or delivery that could give us some more context?  Feel free to sell it as much as you want.


Thanks,
Jason

Jason

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Oct 20, 2009, 11:13:47 PM10/20/09
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-------- Original Message --------
From: lem...@proaxis.com
Subject: Re: Ignite Corvallis 2 Lineup Selected
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
To: Jason <prot...@gmail.com>


Hi, Jason. Thank you for your nice note below. I would be happy to serve
as an alternate if you so chose.

I am in Boston attending this conference:

http://www.connected-health.org/events/symposium-2009.aspx

and do not have access at the moment to the PowerPoint of my proposed talk
on Open Science that I prepared in case I was chosen for Ignite. I will
get back to Corvallis on Friday and could send it to you in the late
evening.

Here is an example, though, of the talk I gave last month at Medicine 2.0
on ScanGrants (which is in the running for the Willamette Innovators award
this year):

http://www.slideshare.net/hjl7/medicine-20-presentation-abour-scangrants

and an account of that talk:

http://medicine20congress.blogspot.com/2009/09/scangrants.html

And here is a blog entry I wrote on the subject of Open Science:

http://blog.nextbio.com/2009/06/22/the-four-musketeers/

Also, my project, Creation of an Open Source Electronic Medical Record
System for Small Medical Practices, was chosen by the really exciting
year-long class project for Dr. Mike Bailey's OSU course:

Career Preparation and Software Engineering Capstone Projects, 2009-2010

http://eecs.oregonstate.edu/capstone/projlist.html

The project is just getting underway.

Anyway, if I am not chosen as an alternate, I will still enjoy hearing the
talks. I heard talks like them when I attended the Web 2.0 Expo in San
Francisco in April of this year, which I covered as a blogger.

Thank you for all you trouble.

Hope




> Hope,
>
> The Ignite Corvallis 2 selection committee met last night to select the
> final lineup for the November 5th event and I sorry to say your proposal
> wasn't selected for the final 14.  The decision was difficult and we
> really appreciate you taking the time to submit a proposal.
>
> However, there's a chance that you still may make it into the final
> line-up.  We need alternates in case someone cannot present due to
> unforeseen reasons.  We have already had one finalist let us know they
> cannot present.
>
> Are you interested in being an alternate?  Clearly we already have one
> spot potentially available and more may open up.  Also, we may review
> your slide deck and make a last minute addition if we like what we see.
> However, this may mean that you make an Ignite slide deck that isn't
> seen at Ignite Corvallis 2.  Slide decks are due November 2nd.
>
> We definitely encourage you to try again and resubmit your proposal for
> Ignite Corvallis 3 next year!
>
> Please let us know if you are interested in being an alternate in the
> next couple of days.
>
> If you have any questions, concerns, or comment please feel free to send
> an email.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ignite Corvallis Selection Team
>
>


Jason

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Oct 22, 2009, 6:53:27 PM10/22/09
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-------- Original Message --------
From: Nate Otto <otto...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ignite Corvallis 2 Lineup Selected
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:08:51 -0700
To: Jason <prot...@gmail.com>


Here's a couple draft slides to begin the proposed presentation with:

<slide 1>:

<slide2: text> "Does this make sense? Is it really this simple?"

<slide3>:

<slide4: text> "Can this be right?"

I will then go on to explain how the central banks of most countries give bankers the credit to put money into one's account. The central bank charges a little interest on this loan, and the bank charges you a little more interest. This is how credit works. Essentially all of the money in circulation exists in between the steps in this process.

The problem with this structure, is that the banks don't create the interest along with the principle, so whenever a loan is paid off, it reduces the amount available for others to pay off their loans.

The main point is that in order for everybody to be able to pay off their loans, there must be a continual supply of new loans into the system (and corresponding growth of economic activity for people to earn the interest), expanding the available money supply. Without this growth, people go under and the economy suffers. I believe this system prevents the development of a sustainable economy.



Let me know if you think this concept appeals to your group for a five minute presentation at Ignite Corvallis 2 if an available slot arises.

-Nate


Jason wrote:
No problem.  If you can get them to us this week that would be cool.

J

Nate Otto wrote:
Sorry to say I wasn't able to finish up those diagrams explaining money as debt last night. I will work on them some more tonight and email them to you in the morning if you are still interested.
-Nate

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Nate Otto <otto...@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason,

I will finish working up a few diagrams tonight to further explain my purpose and show how this preso might be delivered. Most people do not think about the fundamental structure of our money (as debt), even when they make criticisms of "inflationary" policies. I aim to show the implications of money as debt, which is a structure that provides the opportunity for governments to run deficits but has the effect of forcing the economy to grow in order to cover existing obligations. Almost every country in the world has adopted this structure, and I think understanding this structure is the necessary first step to contemplating what kind of arrangement might be better and more sustainable.

Arguments that follow from this understanding push for "relocalization" of economic activity, and alternate currency structures that are not subject to the growth imperative.

Thanks for your consideration, and I will follow up with a few diagrams tonight.
-Nate


Jason wrote:
Nate,

We were interested in your presentation because it was different.  Any chance you could provide some more details about content or delivery that could give us some more context?  Feel free to sell it as much as you want.


Thanks,
Jason


Nate Otto wrote:
Jason,

That is disappointing to hear. I was hoping that my proposal would provide a good contrast to the usual Ignite topics. People don't often cover economics. If you choose to offer me a guaranteed position if somebody drops out, I would accept, but I do not want to put together a presentation that might not be given. I have a lot to do this fall, between studying for the GRE, applying to grad schools, and finding a new job. As I will be in grad school next year, I will not be available for Ignite Corvallis 3. Best of luck preparing your event.

Nate

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