Re; AOH OATH (was Orange oath)
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
In the presence of Almighty go, and this my brother, I do swear that I
will suffer my right hand to be cut off from my body and laid at the
goal door before I will waylay or betray a brother, and I will not hear
the moans or groans of infancy or old age, and that I will wade knee
deep in orangemanen's blood as King James did.
I further swear not to owe any allegiance to any protestant or heretic
Sovereign, Ruler, Prince or Potentate, and that I will not regardany
oath delivered to me by them or other subject, be they Judge, Magistrate
or else, as binding, and I swear to aid as best I can any brother who
may be on trial for any act of expression of theirs before Magistrate,
Judge, Jury or else, and may be ready at all times to aid by every means
in my power to assist in preserving his or their liberation, and if
myself as witness to disregard any oath delivered to me on such
occasions by Judge, Magistrate, Councel, Lawyer, Official or else, and
that I will not regard such an oath as binding.
"by virtue of the oath I have taken a will aid and assist with all my
might and strength when called upon to Massacre Protestants, cut away
heretics, burn Protestant Churches, Abolish protestant Kings, queens,
Princes and all others, except the church of Rome and this system, and
by virtue of this Oath I have taken I will think it no sin to kill and
Massacre a Protestant when an opportunity serves.
******************
Now to be fair we needed to see the other side's OATHs
and then take that in context;
It is completely clear that this Oath is not just bigoted but pure
sectarian and murderous.
these oath's do not discriminate Like the OO does but actually swears to
KILL and massacre the protestant and the ruler's of the country.
Not just this country, but any country not of the "mother church"
Take it which ever way you like
If your Comparing one.... then compare Like with like !!
Stop showing your own bigoted'ness by turning a blind eye to the rest
of the oaths of this land !!
This way you see why and realise that past history has dictated these
things and it also enlightens as why such a great divide in Ireland
JimmyMcKay
real bigots are.
Jimmy McKay
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
Do you wish to prove that theses are not the real oaths?
If you could have proved otherwise you would have.
so go on do so !!
like wise you say post the REAL Orange Order oath"
Well I say.. go on then , if you have any proof then do it!!!
As the current in Phrase on this newsgroup goes;...
Put up or shut up! Fool !
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
Your beliefs have always discriminated against the chicken,
Why do you continue to kill their young babies ?
I notice no denial, that you beat their babies up, boil them. fry them
poach them and to top your barbaric act you have been known to eat then
There should be a law against the beating of eggs!
I believe it orig'd from the Barbaric French !
Contact your local branch of FABE (Families Against Beaten Eggs)
As the Telly Tubbies say "uuh ooo", here comes the egg jokes
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>The Holy Oath of the Omelette Order of the Republic of Unki:
>
>We the Loyal Servants of the Fallen Goddess Kate, heretical but
>ladylike seducer of Man U fans, do herein and hereby promise to dig,
>dig, dig, until the Dundalk to Derry Canal is completed.
>
>--
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>abardubh at enteract dot com
>Tá m'aerbhád lán d'eascanna
Brendan Heading
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com writes
>Now to be fair we needed to see the other side's OATHs
The AOH are a band of bigots but at present they are not involved in any
civil disturbance or other marching related issue in the North. You can
hardly really say they are part of "the other side".
>If your Comparing one.... then compare Like with like !!
It's not really like with like is it ? The OO has tens of thousands of
members up there, the AOH has less than a hundred.
--
Brendan Heading, Belfast, Northern Ireland
[Temporarily in Dublin until 23/07/2000]
Tús maith leath na hoibre...
Paddy
"Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin" <Ger@r.d> wrote in message
news:tki1nsop1mqhujcsu...@4ax.com...
> JimmyMcKay wrote:
>
> >You are a fool. Try posting the REAL Orange Order oath and we'll see who
the
> >real bigots are.
> >
> >Jimmy McKay
> >
> >
>
>
> The Holy Oath of the Omelette Order of the Republic of Unki:
>
> We the Loyal Servants of the Fallen Goddess Kate, heretical but
> ladylike seducer of Man U fans, do herein and hereby promise to dig,
> dig, dig, until the Dundalk to Derry Canal is completed.
>
Which part of Derry do you mean to float off?
East of the Foyle, West, or the whole lot?
--
Paddy.
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
Brendan Heading <b.he...@dnet.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <396e33f1...@news.enterprise.net>,
>Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com writes
>
>>Now to be fair we needed to see the other side's OATHs
>
>The AOH are a band of bigots but at present they are not involved in any
>civil disturbance or other marching related issue in the North. You can
>hardly really say they are part of "the other side".
They are however as you quite rightly point out another group of bigots
Which substantiated my claim that both sides are sectarian and bigoted
Whether currently involved or just recent history.
I made no claim as to whether one was more bigoted than the other
Just that they both are.
>>If your Comparing one.... then compare Like with like !!
>
>It's not really like with like is it ? The OO has tens of thousands of
>members up there, the AOH has less than a hundred.
What difference does it make what size they are ? look at what the
so-called "Real Ira" do, and they number even less, and do much more
damage,
Your claim that they number less than 100 is way out , their clubs alone
would number that, Most large towns have one, there are many across the
water too ! Their supporters number thousands,
Their Clubs draw many thousand, Even my Daughter frequents one.
Does not mean she supports or even agrees with their ideas.
I fucking hope not !!!
But all in all, they are on the same footing and the same origination of
the OO, a sectarian group, so therefore we can indeed compare the two
on the principles of their existance and or oaths etc.
All these so called groups do at heart, try to serve their communities
With everyday functions,dances, and social affairs.
So thank you once again for bringing out and confirming my orig point
and with that I see no reason to as you said "to be running" further
with this.
antispam ENTER not EXIT in address.
ooops forgot to put sig back on
it is the good ship enterprise
Oisín Kelly
organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
The AOH and the Orange order are organisations that should be left in the
past. They are fascist groups that are not in anyway christian.
We shold build a country where all are welcome regardless of religion, race,
political believes, or anything else. We should build unity amoungst all the
people on this basis. The AOH and the OO are completely repugnant to most
people in this country.
Build Unity not Hate and Division.
Joseph Meehan
Any organisation that mixes nationalism, religion and politics is a
organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
No. You need to look at the description of bigot
big·ot (bąg".t) n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion,
race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Read the last part. Both organizations, by their nature would, I
believe, meet the first half. Neither "organization" meets the second,
although I am sure you can find many members of both groups who meet both
parts.
--
Dia's Muire duit
Joe M
Oisín Kelly
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote in message ...
>Oisín Kelly wrote:
>
>>Any organisation that mixes nationalism, religion and politics is a
>>organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
>
>
The GAA is a sporting organisation. It does not have a political or
religious agenda.
West Finglas Celtic FC Fan Club? Blackrock
>College RFC?
Again these are organisations that do not mix up nationalism, religion or
politics with sport!
B.Vernier
Thank you...
Oisín Kelly wrote:
> Any organisation that mixes nationalism, religion and politics is a
> organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
>
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
>Oisín Kelly wrote:
>>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote in message ...
>>>Oisín Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>>>Any organisation that mixes nationalism, religion and politics is a
>>>>organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
>>>
>>>
>>>How about the GAA?
>>
>>The GAA is a sporting organisation. It does not have a political or
>>religious agenda.
>
>That'll come as news to the GAA. The GAA, by its own lights, has a
>political/cultural agenda. It has policies in favour of promoting not
>only Irish games, but also the Irish language, Irish culture in
>general, and a particular Irish political identity. It even has a
>rule barring British Army personnel & RUC members. To most people,
>most of the time, it may be simply a sporting organization, but it is
>not, and never has been, simply about scheduling football & hurling
>games..
Does this make the GAA.... Racist or sectarian or both?
B.Vernier
answers..
Go and play football, you may be less good at it at first, but you may
learn perhaps...
(...)
Aengus
<397a4df4...@news.enterprise.net>:
> Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>
>> It even has a
>>rule barring British Army personnel & RUC members. To most people,
>>most of the time, it may be simply a sporting organization, but it is
>>not, and never has been, simply about scheduling football & hurling
>>games..
>
>Does this make the GAA.... Racist or sectarian or both?
Banning members of the RUC and or the BA from membership of the GAA would
only be Racist of Sectarian if membership of the RUC and the BA was
restricted to members of a particular Race or Sect. And I'm sure you'll
confirm for us that the BA and the RUC aren't racist or sectarian, so
therefore the GAA aren't either.
(And for your information, the president of the GAA in the mid-90's was
Jack Boothman, a Wicklow man and lifelong GAA member who just happened to
be protestant).
Aengus
Derek Bell
: Any organisation that mixes nationalism, religion and politics is a
: organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
It's very likely to be.
: The AOH and the Orange order are organisations that should be left in the
: past. They are fascist groups that are not in anyway christian.
Isn't the AOH predominantly American?
Derek
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Derek Bell
: Oisín Kelly wrote:
:>Any organisation that mixes nationalism, religion and politics is a
:>organisation that, to say the least, is Bigoted.
: College RFC?
I suppose if they really want to be...
Don't get me started about the Grab Anything Association, though!
Derek Bell
Kind of Fianna Fail at play?
Timothy Murphy
> Isn't the AOH predominantly American?
I think you have to be an American citizen to be a member.
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Mark Devlin
t...@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) wrote:
> Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> writes:
>
> > Isn't the AOH predominantly American?
Apparently this depends on which AOH one is talking about. The one
Timothy refers to is entirely American.
> I think you have to be an American citizen to be a member.
I pulled this from an American AOH site:
"Membership in the Ancient Order of Hibernians, Inc. is confined to
men 16 years and older who are practicing Roman Catholics of Irish
birth or descent and who are citizens of United States of America or
who have declared their intentions to become citizens of the United
States of America."
I think they mean "restricted" rather than "confined", but never mind;
it is a rather apt solecism.
However, another page on the site explains:
"The Order can trace its roots back to a parent organization, of the
same name, which has existed in Ireland for over 300 years. However,
while the organizations share a common thread, the North American A.O.H.
is a separate and much larger organization."
A mite arrogant of them to style themselves the "North American AOH", I
must say, as their rule bars Canadian and Mexican Roman Catholics of
Irish birth or descent, unless they are willing to become US citizens.
--
Mark Devlin
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t...@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) wrote:
> Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> writes:
>
> > Isn't the AOH predominantly American?
>
>
Don't they teach you anything these days in the 26 Counties or are you
just more ignorant than most?
The AOH were a *huge* organization in Ireland and West Belfast was once
rock solid with AOHers hitting shinners with sticks. There are AOH
halls all over the place throughout Ireland.
Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
membership throughout Ireland. It was involved in community and
fraternal finance and savings at the start of the century.
--
Poussière des rêves
Brian Scanlan
>> I think you have to be an American citizen to be a member.
>
>Don't they teach you anything these days in the 26 Counties or are you
>just more ignorant than most?
The point just made is correct, according to a post I just read, and the
details on www.aoh.com.
>The AOH were a *huge* organization in Ireland and West Belfast was once
>rock solid with AOHers hitting shinners with sticks. There are AOH
>halls all over the place throughout Ireland.
I'm really sorry, but I'm utterly unaware of the history of this "huge"
organisation. Could you please point me to any history book/document which
details any of this?
>Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
>membership throughout Ireland.
I've never heard of it as being anything other than a organisation for Irish
abroad, usually the sorts who fund the terrorists over here.
--
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Canvas the town and brush the backdrop.
Are you sleeping?
Mark Devlin
sin...@RedBrick.DCU.IE (Brian Scanlan) wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:17:00 GMT, <huma...@my-deja.com> wrote:
[...]
> >The AOH were a *huge* organization in Ireland and West Belfast was
> >once rock solid with AOHers hitting shinners with sticks. There are
> >AOH halls all over the place throughout Ireland.
>
> I'm really sorry, but I'm utterly unaware of the history of this
> "huge" organisation. Could you please point me to any history
> book/document which details any of this?
>
> >Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
> >membership throughout Ireland.
>
> I've never heard of it as being anything other than a organisation for
> Irish abroad, usually the sorts who fund the terrorists over here.
It is a matter of several different organisations using the same name.
In America the AOH (whose ties to the "old" AOH are, em, more spiritual
than anything else) ensures that St Patrick's day is commemorated with
colourful, gay-free parades. I've not heard of them directly funding
terrorists; it is more a "cultural" group. However, the abominable
Congressman King, the Provo's Friend, makes much of his AOH membership,
and one suspects there'd be a good measure of membership overlap with
Noraid. That said, I'm sure many of its members do nothing more wicked
than slap green bowlers on their heads once a year for a festive (and
entirely heterosexual) march down Fifth Avenue.
The AOH in Ireland was more or less a catholic Orange Order. It had
become moribund when it was revived by an unlovely namesake of mine and
turned (as Greig noted) into a powerful votes-and-patronage machine in
the catholic community. Greig goes too far, I think, in painting a
picture of an earlier Ireland chock-a-block with Hibernian lodges. Like
the OO the AOH was, I think, primarily an Ulster phenomenon. It was
something to be reckoned with in Joe Devlin's West Belfast; its presence
in Wicklow might well have been more faintly perceived. I think Greig's
also right that there would have been little love lost between them and
the shinners; the AOH was Green Tory nationalism in funny regalia.
Nowadays it's reverted to being nothing more than an RC version of
orangeism, and looks to be moribund once more. For all I know the few
remaining Hibernians *are* shinners these days.
--
Mark Devlin
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Brian Scanlan
[Snippage]
>For all I know the few remaining Hibernians *are* shinners these days.
Wow, intresting. :)
Thanks.
us.* hierarchy committee
"Mark Devlin" <mde...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8lmg7q$b3c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <slrn8nt903...@Enigma.RedBrick.DCU.IE>,
> sin...@RedBrick.DCU.IE (Brian Scanlan) wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:17:00 GMT, <huma...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > >The AOH were a *huge* organization in Ireland and West Belfast was
> > >once rock solid with AOHers hitting shinners with sticks. There are
> > >AOH halls all over the place throughout Ireland.
> >
> > I'm really sorry, but I'm utterly unaware of the history of this
> > "huge" organisation. Could you please point me to any history
> > book/document which details any of this?
> >
> > >Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
> > >membership throughout Ireland.
> >
> > I've never heard of it as being anything other than a organisation for
> > Irish abroad, usually the sorts who fund the terrorists over here.
>
> It is a matter of several different organisations using the same name.
> In America the AOH (whose ties to the "old" AOH are, em, more spiritual
> than anything else) ensures that St Patrick's day is commemorated with
> colourful, gay-free parades.
I hardly think you are the expert in this Mark. The AOH has a long history
in a variety of geographies.
"After several attacks on Irish and Church property, the Irish immigrant
resorted to a familiar tactic. Those, who had been members of the AOH in
Ireland, banded together in this new land, and in 1836, formed an American
branch of their Order"
http://www.aoh.com/default.htm
>
> The AOH in Ireland was more or less a catholic Orange Order.
Complete rubbish. The OO was a vicious and murderous fraternity and it acted
out it's real role in a horrendous series of genocidal attacks. I really
take exception to your attack on the AOH. The OO are more akin to a virulent
version of the KKK.
The AOH is and was completely different. There is no similarity between the
one and the other. One was founded for genocide and never changed it's
ethos and objectives. The OO was created to kill and burn and rape as a
primary activity.
Gregory
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
>In article <8lkdcm$10b$1...@boole.maths.tcd.ie>,
> t...@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) wrote:
>> Derek Bell <db...@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> writes:
>>
>> > Isn't the AOH predominantly American?
>>
>> I think you have to be an American citizen to be a member.
>>
>
>Don't they teach you anything these days in the 26 Counties or are you
>just more ignorant than most?
>
>The AOH were a *huge* organization in Ireland and West Belfast was once
>rock solid with AOHers hitting shinners with sticks. There are AOH
>halls all over the place throughout Ireland.
>
>Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
>membership throughout Ireland. It was involved in community and
>fraternal finance and savings at the start of the century.
Although I do agree with you , but we are completely wrong Greig,
'OUR' Brendan (Heading) say's so;
Quote
> the AOH has less than a hundred.
UnQuote
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
>I hardly think you are the expert in this Mark. The AOH has a long history
>in a variety of geographies.
>
>"After several attacks on Irish and Church property, the Irish immigrant
>resorted to a familiar tactic. Those, who had been members of the AOH in
>Ireland, banded together in this new land, and in 1836, formed an American
>branch of their Order"
>
>http://www.aoh.com/default.htm
>
>
>>
>> The AOH in Ireland was more or less a catholic Orange Order.
>
............It is.........
>Complete rubbish
............that.........
>The OO was a vicious and murderous fraternity and it acted
>out it's real role in a horrendous series of genocidal attacks. I really
>take exception to your attack on the AOH. The OO are more akin to a virulent
>version of the KKK.
>The AOH is and was completely different.
No! It is not..... they are the same !! both concieved out of
frustration for the safety of its own people, and the failure of the
rulers of the day to protect, the same.
You always paint the picture that Ireland and the "Irish" are innocent
beings that have been invaded for thousands of years,
Well we are not !!
Don't forget it was the "Irish" who invaded Britain, and stole British
Woman& children, to sell as slaves, when they returned to Ireland
Indeed "They started it" as Geraldó would say :-)
>There is no similarity between the
>one and the other. One was founded for genocide and never changed it's
>ethos and objectives.
>The OO was created to kill and burn and rape as a
>primary activity.
come, come now, Greg, your getting carried away again,
Never was"created" that way, in all it's history the OO was created to
defend and protect the Non-Catholic population. that does not mean OO
alone, that means ALL and ANY "non-Papish" faiths.
Where has the OO claimed any killings ?
You do so like to mix, the scum (terrorist (ALL)) with anything
Protestant/British/N.I. You cannot wrap them all together
because it suits you, just as wolfie says the IRA are not SF nor are
SF the AOH etc. etc.
Mind you, It is good that you look at it this way, as you can apply
the same logic to the Protestant way of thinking =
All IRA/INLA/RIRA/OIRA and SF SDLP etc etc. are the same
Telmey
Mark Devlin
> Or at least, entirely closeted...
What, the whole parade closeted? A staggering concept - good heavens man how
could I not have seen it?!
Should the assembled thousands of marchers one day collectively throw off the
shackles imposed by homophobic patriarchalism, coming 'out' en masse to the
skirling of the NYPD Homicide & Aggravated Assault Division Pipe & Drum
Corps, I dearly hope I might be on hand to see it. Nothing short of that, I
think, could get me anywhere near Fifth Avenue of a 17th March.
--
Mark Devlin
<ma...@TURN.ocixot.SMALL_LETTERS.ed.ROUND>
B.Vernier
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Paddy
"us.* hierarchy committee" <usa...@email.com> wrote in message
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>
acted
> out it's real role in a horrendous series of genocidal attacks. I really
> take exception to your attack on the AOH. The OO are more akin to a
virulent
> version of the KKK.
>
the
> one and the other. One was founded for genocide and never changed it's
> ethos and objectives. The OO was created to kill and burn and rape as a
> primary activity.
>
>
>
So, everyone agrees then. The AOH, being "founded for genocide" and
never having "changed it's ethos and objectives" is as despicable as the
OO.
--
Paddy.
Falcon
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:"us.* hierarchy committee" <usa...@email.com> wrote in message
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:> The AOH is and was completely different. There is no similarity
between
:the
:> one and the other. One was founded for genocide and never changed
it's
:> ethos and objectives. The OO was created to kill and burn and
rape as a
:> primary activity.
: So, everyone agrees then. The AOH, being "founded for genocide"
and
:never having "changed it's ethos and objectives" is as despicable
as the
:OO.
;-)
Falcon.
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Brendan Heading
deja.com> writes
>"The Order can trace its roots back to a parent organization, of the
>same name, which has existed in Ireland for over 300 years. However,
>while the organizations share a common thread, the North American A.O.H.
>is a separate and much larger organization."
I wonder sometimes if they are talking to the same wee organization that
marches the odd time somewhere round here. But perhaps they should refer
to themselves as the "American Order of Hibernians" for geographical
accuracy's sake.
--
Brendan Heading, Belfast, Northern Ireland
[Temporarily in Dublin until 23/07/2000]
Tús maith leath na hoibre...
Brendan Heading
plc.com writes
>>Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
>>membership throughout Ireland. It was involved in community and
>>fraternal finance and savings at the start of the century.
>
> Although I do agree with you , but we are completely wrong Greig,
>'OUR' Brendan (Heading) say's so;
Actually what Greig is saying here sounds right to me. Obviously though
he is talking about the turn of the century whereas I am talking about
now, and it looks as though he has studied the subject (I haven't).
>> the AOH has less than a hundred.
This was very much a guesstimate; the membership could be larger (but
not significantly so). My point was that they hardly really exist as a
serious organization in Ireland anymore.
g&e
"Brendan Heading" <b.he...@dnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:x4yFAGBC...@dnet.co.uk...
>
> This was very much a guesstimate; the membership could be larger
(but
> not significantly so). My point was that they hardly really exist as
a
> serious organization in Ireland anymore.
>
>
> --
> Brendan Heading, Belfast, Northern Ireland
nervous and covered up the statue of Winston Churchill believing it
would be painted green or blown up. Here they are mostly lawyers and
judges whose politics appear to be singing Broadway Irish songs and
drinking green beer on St Pat's day. There is a sinister/naive element
apparently giving money to prisoner organizations but nothing
officially condoned by the organization. On the whole it appears to be
a social organization. My son stepdanced for some of their dinners
when he was in an Irish dance troupe and his only complaint was they
didn't feed the kids!!
Geoff
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
>In article <397f098...@news.enterprise.net>, Tel...@work.exitprise-
>plc.com writes
>>>Mutuality helped build it into an election machine with a huge
>>>membership throughout Ireland. It was involved in community and
>>>fraternal finance and savings at the start of the century.
>>
>> Although I do agree with you , but we are completely wrong Greig,
>>'OUR' Brendan (Heading) say's so;
>
>Actually what Greig is saying here sounds right to me. Obviously though
>he is talking about the turn of the century whereas I am talking about
>now, and it looks as though he has studied the subject (I haven't).
>
>>> the AOH has less than a hundred.
>
>This was very much a guesstimate; the membership could be larger (but
>not significantly so). My point was that they hardly really exist as a
>serious organization in Ireland anymore.
Nicely snipped to suit your needs, present tense;-
'There are AOH halls all over the place throughout Ireland.'
Maybe you would like to 'guesstimate' again on just how many halls there
are in Ireland? or even to re-'guesstimate' it's membership, As I said
even my daughter goes to one here in lisburn, remember lisburn is
supposed to be a 'loyalist' town, bearing that in mind, the lisburn AOH
hall has *hundreds* of members alone! (she will ask for me just how
many members)
Next thing we will be told they don't exist at all.
Alan Smaill
> Will you or will you not read a well-known and recognized history book?!
> (...)
>
Which book ??
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Edinburgh University
Hugh Ferrin
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I can honestly say that I know no-one in the AOH. I don't know of any AOH halls
and I've never witness an AOH parade in my 37 years. They are of no interest to
me or anyone I know but then I have no time for any ritualised secret societies
of any description. Bunch of wabs the lot of 'em.
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Regards,
Shug
'You guys are so unhip it's a wonder your bums don't fall off!'
Timothy Murphy
>the lisburn AOH hall has *hundreds* of members alone!
I find that very hard to believe.
What exactly do they do?
>Next thing we will be told they don't exist at all.
They don't seem to have a web-site,
which is surprising for an organisation
which according to you must have thousands of members.
Gregory
>As I said
> even my daughter goes to one here in lisburn, remember lisburn is
> supposed to be a 'loyalist' town, bearing that in mind, the lisburn AOH
> hall has *hundreds* of members alone! (she will ask for me just how
> many members)
>
> Next thing we will be told they don't exist at all.
>
>
Lisburn was officially cleared of Catholics by Unionist pogroms and never
recovered. It looked like a burnt out city from France by the time they
were finished.
--
Gregory
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>Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com writes:
>>the lisburn AOH hall has *hundreds* of members alone!
>I find that very hard to believe.
>What exactly do they do?
They do the Usual crap, and yes there are hundreds Who go there
Just in case you want to go yourself, it is on Longstone st. Lisburn
Others that I *personally* have also been in;- Derry/L\derry is on Foyle
st. Newry is down on the Mall, etc. Also in Belfast, Tyrone, Armagh
Maybe your thinking of the Irish National Forresters, which is no way
as near as big, the only one I know of and have been in, is the one
Rostrevour. on a Second thought; you may know of them only as the
'Hibs' Next thing you will be telling us that you have not heard of
the prods objecting to their marches in Kilkeel?
I see an .ie email addy from you where are you? maybe you are near
Jocelyn st, Dundalk, you could call into that one
>>Next thing we will be told they don't exist at all.
>
>They don't seem to have a web-site,
>which is surprising for an organisation
>which according to you must have thousands of members.
------Start yankie accent----------
Well gee....Mr. cyber-man...... if it is not a virtual reality......
..then it just don't exist!
Do you realise you have solved the WHOLE N.I. problem.....
By removing the OO/UFF/SF/IRA sites from cyber space
End result.. the don't exist...peace at last !
If you think they don't exist... do what I do, go find out for yourself
Get off yer bum and get down there search for the truth, it is simple
enough, don't sit back and believe all your told on these ng's,
The truth has no time limit!
Tel...@work.exitprise-plc.com
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>>As I said
>> even my daughter goes to one here in lisburn, remember lisburn is
>> supposed to be a 'loyalist' town, bearing that in mind, the lisburn AOH
>> hall has *hundreds* of members alone! (she will ask for me just how
>> many members)
>>
>> Next thing we will be told they don't exist at all.
>>
>
>Lisburn was officially cleared of Catholics by Unionist pogroms and never
>recovered. It looked like a burnt out city from France by the time they
>were finished.
Yes! Gregory, FYI That is how it got it's name - Lis'burn'
it was lisnagarvey prior to that.
With that ref, I take it your not too keen on France either :-(