Hex 17 and Duke of Chou explanation

[Andra]

Hi.
I hope this forum is still active.
I have a question about h. 17: what is the meaning of Duke of Chou statement: "The superior man in accordance with this, when it is getting towards dark, enters his house and rests" in relation to the general meaning of the hexagrram?

Any suggestion is welcomed.

[yzent...@yahoo.com]

Hi Andra,
Not sure if the forum is still functioning, but I got your message.
I don't have the book in front of me and I don't know who the Duke of Chou is, but to me the statement would indicate that one who governs wisely, benevolently, and justly can rest peacefully at home. No fear.
What do you think?
Y

 
Yoly Zentella, PhD
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[Taopage.Org]

Thanks for you reply. The issue is not linked with the leadership. It is about my friend girl who started walking the path of the Christian faith with too much fervour.

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[teo becu]

I think the meaning is quite obvious. NOt sure what your situation is yet maybe you have some resistance to listening to the message?

TEO

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[yzent...@yahoo.com]

Can it be interpreted as one who governs themselves in a way they believe appropriate can be at peace with themselves? Guess it has to do with the question you asked.

Y

 
Yoly Zentella, PhD
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Chicano Culture -- Land -- Place
El Norte de Nuevo Mexico


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Malcolm X
 

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[R.C I]

Hi. I wouldn’t pay much attention to the commentary by the Duke of Chou, I don’t think it’s right. The only thing to consider is the Image of the hexagram and maybe the changing lines.

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On 7/01/2023, at 6:49 PM, 'Andra' via I Ching Online Group <iching...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi.

I hope this forum is still active.
I have a question about h. 17: what is the meaning of Duke of Chou statement: "The superior man in accordance with this, when it is getting towards dark, enters his house and rests" in relation to the general meaning of the hexagrram?

Any suggestion is welcomed.

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[R.C I]

Here’s a little longer explanation 

The original Chinese for hexagram 17 is this -

泽中有雷。随。君子以向晦入宴息

The quote means:

"泽" refers to a marsh or swamp in ancient China, and "雷" means thunder. The phrase means that there will be thunder in a marsh or swamp.

"随" (suí): This word means "follow" or "comply with."

"君子" refers to a person with moral integrity and manners. "向晦入" means to return home and rest before it gets dark. "宴息" refers to eating dinner and resting.

Translated into English, the quote means: There will be thunder in a marsh or swamp, and a person with moral integrity and manners should obey the natural order and return home to rest before it gets dark.

The hexagram represents the idea of following and going with the flow of the natural order of things. The quote you provided, "The superior man in accordance with this, when it is getting towards dark, enters his house and rests," could be interpreted as a metaphor for the importance of following the natural order and not going against it. Just as it is natural for thunder to occur in a marsh or swamp and it is not wise to try to stop it, it is important to follow the natural order of things in life and not try to resist or go against it. Instead, it is advisable to go with the flow and do what is right and in accordance with natural principles.

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On 7/01/2023, at 6:49 PM, 'Andra' via I Ching Online Group <iching...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hi.

I hope this forum is still active.
I have a question about h. 17: what is the meaning of Duke of Chou statement: "The superior man in accordance with this, when it is getting towards dark, enters his house and rests" in relation to the general meaning of the hexagrram?

Any suggestion is welcomed.

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[Yoly Zentell]

Great description, makes much sense!

Y

 

Yoly Zentella, PhD
Researcher ~ Writer
Chicano Culture -- Land -- Place

El Norte de Nuevo Mexico

"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people  who are doing the oppressing"

Malcolm X

 

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[Taopage.Org]

Maybe your girl friend returns symbolically to mother and father childhood home to protect herself against a world of disintegration (times of darkness). Christian faith is mainly based on worship of mother and father viewed as spiritual entities. This provides her a way to escape from the dark reality.

[Taopage.Org]

Going with the flow is the subject matter of h. 17. It is also a basic of philosophical Taoism. See https://www.taopage.org/quotes.html