Ordering by alphabetic sort in AtoM

[Clara Rosales]

Good Morning,
This is a question to users who are using AtoM in languages whose alphabets use different accents marks.
When ordering alphabetically in AtoM, for example the Places taxonomy, we see that it orders alphabetically by A, B, C, D ... X, Y and Z, and at the end the places that begin with an accent mark appear, like Á, É... For example:






Did anyone know how to resolve this issue? Thank you very much!

[Clara Rosales]

A very curious thing is that seeing in the treeview. This order perfectly these words although the first letter contains a diacritic. An example:

[cro...@artefactual.com]

Hi Clara,

The sort in AtoM is "ASCIIbetical" - it sorts on the ASCII table. This means that capitalization, puncutation, accents, and other special characters affect the sort order. So, double quotes appear beofre letters, numbers appear after puncutation but before letters, spaces affect the sort order, capital letters appear before lower case letters, etc.

Example: Zanzibar will appear before aardvark; é will appear after e; 'test' will appear before "test"; numbers will sort as 1, 10, 101, 2, etc.

The sort function based on ASCII characters is necessary particularly when the sort may include many different languages.

I hope that's helpful!

Corinne

Systems Analyst

Artefactual Systems

ASCIIbetical – that is, it sorts based on the ASCII table. This means that: capitalization, punctuation, accents, and other special characters all affect the sort order.

ASCIIbetical – that is, it sorts based on the ASCII table. This means that: capitalization, punctuation, accents, and other special characters all affect the sort order.

ASCIIbetical – that is, it sorts based on the ASCII table. This means that: capitalization, punctuation, accents, and other special characters all affect the sort order.

[Dan Gillean]

Hi Clara, 

To supplement Corinne's answer with a link or two: 

This is a known issue, resulting from the challenges of creating a true natural sort (as it is called) that works across all cultures in a multi-lingual environment. This is in fact a very difficult issue in development in general. 

I've previously talked about this in the following post: 

• https://groups.google.com/d/msg/ica-atom-users/dEN2PKYO7Vg/o8uIfUMSAAAJ

And you can see this mentioned in our documentation here (in the "important" note): 

• https://www.accesstomemory.org/docs/latest/user-manual/access-content/navigate/#sort-button
  

There are better sorting solutions that we could explore, but they will require analysis, development, and testing for us to be able to implement. If your institution is interested in potentially sponsoring such work, please feel free to contact me off-list and we can discuss next steps. 

Regards, 

Dan Gillean, MAS, MLIS
AtoM Program Manager
Artefactual Systems, Inc.
604-527-2056

@accesstomemory

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[Clara Rosales]

Thank you very much Corinne e Dan for your quick response.
I had already seen the post to which Dan refers and my question was in case some colleague of Portuguese or spanish language (or another language that use accents and diacritics) came up with some possible solution.
We are going to study all the possibilities.
Once again, thank you very much for your reply.
Cheers!

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