Rene: When will we get x2
Luke Major
Ronald Fox wrote:
Please just give me a definate answer to this question. At least a
timeline would help....Maybe I'll help you, If you have no x2 by the
end
of April, I am gone.
You tell 'em Ronald.
The fact is that IBM just isn't giving me any reasons to stay. I like
the speed I connect with, I like the ease of which I use IBM worldnet, I
also like the online help. But with the switch from unlimited hours to
100 hours and no news on x2, I am seriously considering switching.
The only question is what to switch to. Living in Newfoundland
seriously limits my choices.
Wino
>You guys must be new to this News group. That question has been
>asked a hundred times. IBM has no definite date for when it is
>going to be available because when it is going to be put on the
>gateways is not up to IBM but rather U S Robotics.
FYI: x2 has been available a few weeks ago and almost all the major
providers in the US and Canada have upgraded their modems. AOL, CS,
Prodigy, NETCOM, Mindspring, etc.. are accepting x2 connections
*already.* Netcom Canada and several local Canadian ISPs have x2
connections also.
The fact remains: IBM has no definite date, x2 is available and it is
no longer up to USR. Furthermore, IBM has not published any info
regarding x2. There was a link to x2 on their webiste a few weeks ago
but that link was to the USR site.
Rene Boer
Ronald Fox <ron...@ibm.net> wrote:
>Please just give me a definate answer to this question. At least a
>timeline would help....Maybe I'll help you, If you have no x2 by the end
>of April, I am gone.
Sorry Ronald i cannot give a fixed date. Dialin in Europe is managed by
Europe and not by the US, and X2 modems are not available jet here (i
checked in a shop yesterday). There was a test in the Chicago area in
March, i assume that if that was sucessfull X2 would be implemented soon.
The only thing i can say it will come, and the Tampa helpdesk training on
X2 is planned.
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Barry Margolius, NYC
big...@farm.com (BigPig) wrote:
>On 4 Apr 97 04:30:00 GMT, "John" <Ge...@ibm.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Ronald Fox <ron...@ibm.net> wrote in article
>><334434...@ibm.net>...
>>| Please just give me a definate answer to this question. At
>>least a
>>| timeline would help....Maybe I'll help you, If you have no x2
>>by the end
>>| of April, I am gone.
>>|
>>You guys must be new to this News group. That question has been
>>asked a hundred times. IBM has no definite date for when it is
>>going to be available because when it is going to be put on the
>>gateways is not up to IBM but rather U S Robotics.
>>
>
>Not true. Mindspring has already implemented x2 at a dozen or so POPs
>and are in the process of making all Mindspring POPs x2 capable.
>
Your reply, while accurate, is a bit misleading. Mindspring has
implemented x2 at quite a few POPs (including their 800 dailin). They are
evaluating some problems that they've had with it (increased disconnects).
The do plan on making all Mindspring owned POPs x2 capable; however,
Mindspring only owns a small percentage of the POPs it uses. This means
that x2 will only be available in the southeastern U.S. For us in the rest
of the country, we dial into Mindspring via PSI POPs which do not use USR
modems and will only be upgraded to 56K when a standard is announced.
-barry
--
Barry F Margolius, New York City (speaking for himself, not his employer)
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rtbabco wrote:
>
> Ronald Fox wrote:
> >
> > Please just give me a definate answer to this question. At least a
> > timeline would help....Maybe I'll help you, If you have no x2 by the end
> > of April, I am gone.
>
>
> they promised. I'm going also, if IBM can't give us any information. It
> makes me wonder? WHY..??
>
> Robert
> Rtb...@IBM.net
I still can not understand all the fuss over X2, since the two
major manufacturer's of X2 based systems are being bought out by 56KFLEX
vendors. I doubt if 3Com and Hayes, purchasing US Robotics and Cardinal
respectively, are going to push X2 client
modems that hard if they are selling 56KFLEX for the server end.
56KFLEX is now pretty much assured of being incorporated into the future
standard; I'm not that sure about X2.
jh...@ibm.net
In message <5i343p$1ut6$4...@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> - Rene...@IBM.Net (Rene
Boer)Fri, 04 Apr 1997 15:44:32 GMT writes:
:>
:>Ronald Fox <ron...@ibm.net> wrote:
:>
:>>Please just give me a definate answer to this question. At least a
:>>timeline would help....Maybe I'll help you, If you have no x2 by the end
:>>of April, I am gone.
:>Sorry Ronald i cannot give a fixed date. Dialin in Europe is managed by
:>Europe and not by the US, and X2 modems are not available jet here (i
:>checked in a shop yesterday). There was a test in the Chicago area in
:>March, i assume that if that was sucessfull X2 would be implemented soon.
:>
:>The only thing i can say it will come, and the Tampa helpdesk training on
:>X2 is planned.
:>----------------------------------------------------------------
Rene,
I'm sure all of us who frequent this group would like to thank you for your
efforts at keeping us informed. I imagine you are as frustrated as the rest
of us at the lack of solid information about all the upgrades that are clearly
needed at IGN. My question is this -- Does upper management at IGN/IBM know
how upset their customers are at the steadfast refusal of IGN to provide solid
information about service problems and promised upgrades? The wails of
anguish coming from this group are apparently falling on deaf ears, with the
singular exception of yours. Most of us would be perfectly happy to wait for
the upgrades if we just had some clue as to when we might actually see them.
("Real soon now" does not count as an acceptable answer.)
I am personally quite upset at the x2 situation. IBM was prominently
mentioned in all the press releases coming out of USR concerning x2, starting
with the very first announcement. IGN prominently displays an x2 logo and
link on their web page. All this led me to believe IGN would be among the
very first to adopt x2 on a system-wide basis and prompted me to purchase an
x2 modem soon after they were released. I've been patiently waiting for some
kind of concrete information from IGN about the x2 rollout, in the meantime
reading in the popular press about ISP after ISP actively adopting x2. My
patience is running out.
IGN simply can not continue ignoring their customers. Is it that difficult to
have somebody post weekly updates about where things really stand? I'm a
pretty understanding person and will put up with a good deal of inconvenience
if only I'm kept informed about the circumstances surrounding that
inconvenience. IGN has failed dismally in this regard and shows no sign of
improving.
This has been my attempt to express my opinion verbally. The next expression
of my opinion will be via my wallet.
-- Jay
Garrett Lanzy
In <01bc412f$ce8ac300$50d648a6@kyle-swave>, "Kyle Holladay" <khol...@ibm.net> writes:
>I think IBM is probably too busy raising prices to bother setting a date
>for x2.
>
>> The fact remains: IBM has no definite date, x2 is available and it is
>> no longer up to USR. Furthermore, IBM has not published any info
>> regarding x2. There was a link to x2 on their webiste a few weeks ago
>> but that link was to the USR site.
Please remember that X2 will not do any good if the underlying backbone
network is not upgraded at the same time to handle the extra demand for
bandwidth. I know a couple people who have tried X2 on other ISPs; they get
higher connect rates -- but the actual difference in throughput is sometimes
very little because the ISP just threw on X2 without any other upgrades.
(I'd suspect that the ISPs in question already were running "on the edge"
with respect to the amount of data on their backbones.)
Implementing something right may take a little longer; let's hope they've
learned from the news server debacle and do proper capacity planning this
time.
- Garrett Lanzy
Booty
It should be pointed out the Mindsping is in reality a small regional ISP.
Having ownership of only 30 pops. Any expansion out of the southeast uses
PSINet as a network.
There is nothing worse than PSINet and Mindspring is totally dependent on
PSINet for their expansion plans.
Mindspring isn't what it claims to be... the key words to be aware of are
"Mindspring pops"... which are a faction of their pop count.
Check Mindspring out very closely or you'll be in for a horrific connection
experience.
L8R
Booty
BigPig <big...@farm.com> wrote :
> On 4 Apr 97 04:30:00 GMT, "John" <Ge...@ibm.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Ronald Fox <ron...@ibm.net> wrote in article
> >| Please just give me a definate answer to this question. At
> >least a
> >| timeline would help....Maybe I'll help you, If you have no x2
> >by the end
> >| of April, I am gone.
> >|
> >You guys must be new to this News group. That question has been
> >asked a hundred times. IBM has no definite date for when it is
> >going to be available because when it is going to be put on the
> >gateways is not up to IBM but rather U S Robotics.
> >
>
> Not true. Mindspring has already implemented x2 at a dozen or so POPs
> and are in the process of making all Mindspring POPs x2 capable.
>
>
> BigPig
>
>
jh...@ibm.net
In message <slrn5kfmo...@tailor.aleim.net> - ro...@tailor.aleim.net
(root) writes:
:>Speaking of Tampa, GTE, our local telephone monopoly, recently threatened
:>to tack on a one cent per minute surcharge on internet connections. My
:>guess is that the surcharge is aimed at x2 users who rely on high speed
:>lines at the sending end connecting to low speed lines at the receiving
:>end. <<snip>>
Quite the opposite, I suspect. Pacific Bell has been whining to the utilities
commission about the increased use of the phone lines due to modems,
specifically for Internet connections. It seems the average voice call is
about 5 minutes long, the average modem call about 20 minutes long. The phone
system is designed to accomodate the voice traffic, not the modem traffic.
The system is apparently getting close to capacity due, if you believe
PacBell, to the increased use of modems.
If you assume callers with x2 modems will download the same amount of data as
before, they should be online only half as long as before, thus reducing usage
of the phone system.
I think the cable TV companies have a major opportunity here and they're fools
if they don't jump on it.
-- Jay