New 1130 sighting in the wild

[Bob Flanders]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shivaramrajgopal/2022/10/04/why-do-non-rd-companies-tell-us-next-to-nothing-about-technology-spending/?sh=5f6a1baf7078

Bob

[Al Kossow]

On 10/18/22 11:47 AM, Bob Flanders wrote:
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/shivaramrajgopal/2022/10/04/why-do-non-rd-companies-tell-us-next-to-nothing-about-technology-spending/?sh=5f6a1baf7078

weird... what does that Getty Images picture have to do with Home Depot?

[Bob Flanders]

No clue. I was surprised as well...

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[Doug Wegscheid]

Don't know, don't care, but nice pic...

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[Gabriel Zapata]

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El mar, 18 oct 2022 a la(s) 13:47, Bob Flanders (bob.fl...@gmail.com) escribió:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shivaramrajgopal/2022/10/04/why-do-non-rd-companies-tell-us-next-to-nothing-about-technology-spending/?sh=5f6a1baf7078

Bob

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[Bob Flanders]

Here's a bunch....

[Gabriel Zapata]

TKS, Bob...

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[Bob Flanders]

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[Jeff Jonas]

A small IBM 1130 from the facebook group "At The Controls"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/779220482206901/posts/5343266589135578/

Nuclear physicist at Argonne National Laboratory
operating an IBM 1130 Computing System, introduced in 1965.

This ARCADE system is being used to control a diffraction experiment
designed to determine crystal lattice structures.

The 1130 was IBM's least expensive computer
and therefore popular in small labs,
the weird cryptic keyboard is because the array based scientific language APL\1130
is used for number crunching the crystallographic data.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language)


Ummm, the kybd is a modified 029 keypunch keyboard,
complete with 12 bit card-code output
and mechanical permutation-bar instead of ROM.

-- jeff jonas

[John Doty]

On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Jeff Jonas <je...@panix.com> wrote:

 the weird cryptic keyboard is because the array based scientific language APL\1130
   is used for number crunching the crystallographic data.

Wow! APL\1130 was sooo sloooow, I can’t imagine crunching numbers with it. On a bigger machine, APL isn’t bad (I did light curve fits for my 1978 Ph.D. thesis using Multics APL) but core on the 1130 was just too small. APL\1130 therefore constantly thrashed the 1130’s slow disk.

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.

j...@noqsi.com

[dave....@gmail.com]

I tried to use APL under MTS on a 360/67 for my undergraduate project.

Very slow, and I often got killed for using too much Virtual Memory.

There is a modified version on APL/360 for VM/370 under Hercules.

 

Dave

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[John Doty]

On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:45 AM, <dave....@gmail.com> <dave....@gmail.com> wrote:

I tried to use APL under MTS on a 360/67 for my undergraduate project.

Very slow, and I often got killed for using too much Virtual Memory.

Hmm. At MIT, APL\360 running on a VM under CP/67 worked ok. One thing I did with it was a toy word processor that, to my astonishment, was adopted by the campus Libertarian newspaper (they were a daft bunch).

There is a modified version on APL/360 for VM/370 under Hercules.

 

Dave

 

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Subject: Re: [IBM1130] New 1130 sighting in the wild

 

 

On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:20 AM, Jeff Jonas <je...@panix.com> wrote:

 

 the weird cryptic keyboard is because the array based scientific language APL\1130
   is used for number crunching the crystallographic data.

 

Wow! APL\1130 was sooo sloooow, I can’t imagine crunching numbers with it. On a bigger machine, APL isn’t bad (I did light curve fits for my 1978 Ph.D. thesis using Multics APL) but core on the 1130 was just too small. APL\1130 therefore constantly thrashed the 1130’s slow disk.

 

John Doty              Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.

j...@noqsi.com

 

 

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On Dec 4, 2022, at 8:45 AM, <dave....@gmail.com> <dave....@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

I tried to use APL under MTS on a 360/67 for my undergraduate project.

Very slow, and I often got killed for using too much Virtual Memory.

 

Hmm. At MIT, APL\360 running on a VM under CP/67 worked ok. One thing I did with it was a toy word processor that, to my astonishment, was adopted by the campus Libertarian newspaper (they were a daft bunch).

 

I think MITs 360/67 was bigger than the one at Newcastle Upon and Tyne, and the Newcastle machine was shared between Newcastle University, Newcastle Poly & Durham University.

I also feel it would be more usable under VM…. Although CP/67 was a long time ago….

I also seem to think I was doing this as the 360 was being replaced by a 370 which had reliability problems.

I must try running it on one of my MicroVaxs, apparently its OK on those.

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[Paul Anagnostopoulos]

We had APL running on Brown University's /67 under CP/CMS. I recall people saying it was better to wait until late in the evening to use it.

~~ Paul

[Lee Ivy]

APL was part of the first year software class at Rice in the mid 1970's. We had special "golf balls" for our IBM Selectric terminals that supported its weird character set. We were running on an IBM 370/155. You could write some amazingly complicated logic in a single line of APL, but of course it was next to impossible for others to understand.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17873885/in-apl-are-one-liners-preferred-to-more-traditional-variable-heavy-code

[Robert Lerche]

That photograph makes vivid that those machines were hand built. No robotic assembly, no VLSI. Every wire placed manually!

Same thing on System/360. Think of the model 91 console. As far as I know that thing was window dressing -- maybe CEs occasionally used those lights and switches, but for customers it just took up space. Of course they didn't make many of them.

Then there's core memory. No wonder computers were expensive.

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[John Pierce]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 6:57 AM Lee Ivy <leei...@gmail.com> wrote:

APL was part of the first year software class at Rice in the mid 1970's. We had special "golf balls" for our IBM Selectric terminals that supported its weird character set. We were running on an IBM 370/155. You could write some amazingly complicated logic in a single line of APL, but of course it was next to impossible for others to understand.

indeed, I remember implementing john Conway's "Life" cellular automata as a one liner on APL/1130.on the 1130 at my college, circa 1973 or 74.

[Bob Flanders]

Hi John,

Where did you go to school?

Regards,

Bob

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[John Pierce]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:11 AM Bob Flanders <bob.fl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi John,

Where did you go to school?

that was at the College of Marin, in Kentfield, Marin County, California.      just north of San Francisco...  Computer Science had an 1130, and Data Processing had a 370/135

[Bob Flanders]

https://youtu.be/ukyHECjKDoQ?t=542 -- not quite an 1130 ... but it's big sister. :D

and of course, a you have to take the little brother ... https://youtu.be/ukyHECjKDoQ?t=516

Bob

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:47:13 PM UTC-4 Bob Flanders wrote:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shivaramrajgopal/2022/10/04/why-do-non-rd-companies-tell-us-next-to-nothing-about-technology-spending/?sh=5f6a1baf7078

Bob

[Peter Vaughan]

Actually Bob, did you miss the 1130 with 1442 card reader and 1132 printer just before your first link @08:24 :)

Peter

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[Peter Vaughan]

Ah, should have watched the 2nd link... Oops

[Bob Flanders]

Hi Peter,

I did notice! The "little brother" link is to that part of the same video.

But I noticed them out of order. I scanned through the video and saw the 1800 .. then went back and saw the 1130.. 

That 1130's configuration was the same one we had in high school. 

Whoa! a flashback! :D

Bob

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[Gabriel Zapata]

TKS, Bob...

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[dave....@gmail.com]

Oddly looking at old 370 videos on youtube I spotted an 1130 lurking…

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLnvvOoWnzU

 

around 7:40….

 

Dave

 

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[Gabriel Zapata]

Tks, Dave...

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[Bob Flanders]

Very cool. 

Did ya know that IBM used 1130's to do certain build activities on mainframes? We went to to the White Plains facility in 1980 or so where they were building 303x computers. There was an 1130 running (as I remember) a wire-wrap device so humans didn't have to. It was a pretty cool computer.

Thanks, Dave.

Bob

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[dave....@gmail.com]

Bob,

I am sure that nearly every factory floor shot from IBM after the 1130 was announced includes at least one 1130. IBM used them in the same way that everyone else used PDP8 and PDP11’s although I know NERC where I worked had an IBM 113 in a container that was taken to sea but I can only find a picture of the container…

 

https://twitter.com/edwardbcooper69/status/1507117762010882055

 

.. and of course that was replaced by several PDP11’s

 

Dave

 

 

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[kev...@gmail.com]

“Wire wrap” reminds me of when I was traveling from SJ to RTP every 2 weeks during BSC development of SCAT and BTAM and had to help engineer in SJ debug the communications adapter by wrapping wires from pin to pin. Can still remember his name, Art Athens.

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