Fwd: [BATA] 葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣

[Taitzer Wang]

Allen,

「葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣」的問題，我前天在 NATPA 論壇上看到，私下和 Ed Huang 有如下 PO 文。銅幣上 1582 的問題，還未有進一步的理解。有請 Garrit 解釋：

Hi Ed,

The photo of the coin gives an interesting history of Portugal - Taiwan connection.  However, unlike the Dutch and Spain, Portugal did not have jurisdiction over Formosa (Taiwan).

The year of Portugal’s discovery of Taiwan was given in literature as in 1542 or 1544, which is 40 years before 1582 shown on the coin.  Jerome’s book gives an indefinite 1540s (The Mapping of Taiwan, p 18).  I have been using the year of 1544 in my OLLI class of Taiwan history (one less numeral, easy to remember 😄).  The Hanji were shown on the coin simply because the coin was issued in 1996, when Formosa has been replaced by 台灣.

Let’s wait to see what Gerrit has to say about the year 1582 relating to Ilha Formosa.

Taitzer  4/6

On Apr 6, 2018, at 7:48 PM, 'Ed Huang' via NATPA Forum <natpa...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Gerrit:

A friend, Alan Chen, sent me this information about a special coin.   Have you seen a coin like this (pictures attached) ?

It was issued by the Portuguese in 1996.  The coin, dated 1582, implies they have discovered Taiwan in 1582.

Just wonder, are you aware of this?

Ed Huang

 

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Allen Kuo" <alle...@timebyte.com>

Subject: [BATA] 葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣

Date: April 8, 2018 at 10:54:49 AM EDT

To: "'bay-area-taiwanese-american'" <bay-area-taiw...@googlegroups.com>

這是葡萄牙在加入歐元區之前，於 1996 年發行的一枚200盾銅幣，特別以1582年葡萄牙人發現台灣作為主題。幣面鑄有Formosa 及漢字台灣 ，意在凸顯葡萄牙的歷史榮光。台灣也因此被帶進歐洲的錢幣歷史紀錄中。美麗之島的美名從1582年運行至今436 年，多麼詩情畫意，祝願台灣永遠生生不息，不再終日擾嚷不休。

不過此枚銅幣設計上最大的敗筆, 是上端的梅花圖形。 梅花是外來政權, 中華民國的國花。它在已有436年的台灣史上根本不具有任何代表性。

Allen Kuo

 

[Koh Sebo]

Here is the info for this coin from a numismatic (coin-collection) website description. 

The word “formosa” in Portuguese means “beautiful”, but it became the Western name of the island after that proclamation by, I believe, a Dutch pilot on that Portuguese ship in 1542 or 1544. But the ship didn’t stop at the island. In 1582, after a shipwreck, Portugese sailors were stranded on the island, later went back to Macau on rafts. 

Sebo Koh

200 Escudos Taiwan; Silver

 

© jsantos

Features

Country	Portugal
Type	Non circulating coin
Year	1996
Value	200 Escudos (200 PTE)
Metal	Silver (.925)
Weight	26.5 g
Diameter	36 mm
Shape	Round
Orientation	Coin alignment ↑↓
Demonetized	02-28-2002
References	KM# 692a

Commemorative issue

VII Portuguese Discoveries Series - Taiwan

Obverse

Portuguese coat of arms next to a flowered plum tree branch. Value and date below.

Lettering: 
200 ESC 
1996
REPUBLICA PORTUGUESA

Reverse

Ship sailing, map of the island of Formosa which will become Taiwan. The date 1582 is the first stay on the island of Portuguese sailors after a shipwreck for 2 months. The discovery by a passing boat dates from 1542 or 1544. Country name in Chinese and Latin characters.

Lettering: 
1582 
I. formosa
台湾·TAIWAN
ISABEL C.-F.BRANCO INCM

[Taitzer Wang]

Thanks Sebo for filling the gap for me; for a few hours over the last two days I could not find any combinations of “Ilha Formosa /… /… etc / timeline of history of Portugal” on line which would have anything to do with the year of 1582.  Nice to know that “numismatic (coin-collection) website description” is the key to this problem.

It’s of interest to note that the coin is deprived of its monetary value on 2/28/2002 as shown in the features box.  Why 228?

Demonetized	02-28-2002

Taitzer 4/8

On Apr 8, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Koh Sebo <koh....@mac.com> wrote:

Here is the info for this coin from a numismatic (coin-collection) website description. 

The word “formosa” in Portuguese means “beautiful”, but it became the Western name of the island after that proclamation by, I believe, a Dutch pilot on that Portuguese ship in 1542 or 1544. But the ship didn’t stop at the island. In 1582, after a shipwreck, Portugese sailors were stranded on the island, later went back to Macau on rafts. 

Sebo Koh

200 Escudos Taiwan; Silver

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© jsantos

[Taitzer Wang]

I went through all these coins and others online.  One coin relating to China has Taiwan map on it.  Just couldn’t find anything related to 1582, but Sebo has helped.

I am glad that I’ll have something more interesting to say about “Ilha Formosa” next OLLI quarter — a wreck of Portuguese ship 40 some years later (I’ll show the slide of the coin with 1582).

Why would the Portuguese be more interested in Macau than Formosa those days?  And soon after Perry’s Black Ship event in Japan, the US Congress was not interested in Formosa, either.  Stupid them!

Taitzer  4/8

Begin forwarded message:

From: Koh Sebo <koh....@mac.com>

Subject: Re: [NATPA Forum] Fwd: [BATA] 葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣

Date: April 8, 2018 at 1:20:04 PM EDT

To: NATPA-Forum forum <natpa...@googlegroups.com>

The coins were also issued in gold and platinum.

Sebo

 

 

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[Koh Sebo]

These coins were original Portuguese “escudo”. Like “dollar” is a unit of American money, “escudo” was a unit of Portuguese money. But in Jan. 1999, Portugal joined EU’s “euro” and all, not just the "Discoveries Series - Taiwan", escudos were demonetized and removal from circulation on Feb. 28, 2002. The date has nothing to do with “228”, just coincidence. 

In countries that use euro now, all their original country specific moneys were demonetized, you can’t use them anymore in these countries. 

Sebo 

[Koh Sebo]

I am not a Taiwan coin collector but noticed that 50c and 10c New Taiwan Dollar 新台幣 coins has image of the map of Taiwan in the reverse, though the obverse side says “Republic of China” along with the image of Sun Yet-sen. Interestingly, the newer coins, since the 1960’s, do not show any map anymore. I guess they don’t want to show only Taiwan to represent ROC and don’t really know what map to show for ROC, so they just scrapped the map altogether. 

But if there’s anyone who collect Taiwan coins, please let us know if I am wrong. 

Sebo 

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[Taitzer Wang]

My “coincidental 228" point is our “associating thinking”, and we all have “preconceived notion”.  In 2013 I used the following example to make my point giving a talk on the subject at Taipei University of Education.

The road sign  <— Freedom Road / Route 228 —> in Cranberry Township, PA, would only for the Taiwanese to relate 228 to freedom for obvious reason.  I never thought that the photo would one day become part of my talk.

Taitzer  4/8

[Taitzer Wang]

Hi All,

Nice to hear from Gerrit.  Here is his mail to Ed Huang of two days ago about 1582 on the Portuguese coin.  The story is basically the same as Sebo’s, posted this morning.

On a side point, interestingly, I have been thinking that it was on the way to Japan from Macau, instead of “on the way back from Japan “ as Gerrit stated, when the Portuguese sailors saw an island and shouted “Ilha Formosa!!!”

Taitzer 4/8

On Apr 8, 2018, at 3:34 PM, Gerrit van der Wees @ TC <taiwan.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Taitzer,

 

I did respond (see below) but somehow my email didn’t get through to NATPA. Perhaps you could post it there.  Thanks.

 

Best regards,  Gerrit

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On Apr 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Gerrit van der Wees @ TC <taiwan.c...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ed,

 

Thanks for the email.  Yes, I have seen the coin, and I do actually have two copies of it. You can buy it the old Chu Chen bookstore in downtown Tainan.

 

It was indeed a special commemorative coin issued in 1996.  In almost all history books I have seen they state that in 1544, a small group of Portuguese ships on the way back from Japan passed by the island, and named it “Ilha Formosa.”  The Portuguese had reached Japan just two years earlier in 1542.

 

The 1582 on the other side of the coin probably refers to the shipwreck of a Portuguese galleon from Macao, that was on the way to Japan, but was hit by bad weather.  The survivors landed somewhere on the Taiwan coast, but the aborigines kept attacking them.  The 290 survivors were able to build a smaller boat and escape back to Macao after a stay on the island of three months. It took them seven days to cross the Taiwan Strait back to Macao.  Several Spanish Jesuit priests on board wrote down their account of the harrowing experience.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Best regards,  Gerrit van der Wees

 

 

 

From: Taitzer Wang [mailto:tai...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 11:25 AM
To: BATA
Cc: taiwan.c...@gmail.com; Forum NATPA; I Love Taiwan
Subject: Fwd: [BATA] 葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣

 

 

Allen,

 

「葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣」的問題，我前天在 NATPA 論壇上看到，私下和 Ed Huang 有如下 PO 文。銅幣上1582 的問題，還未有進一步的理解。有請 Garrit 解釋：

 

Hi Ed,

 

The photo of the coin gives an interesting history of Portugal - Taiwan connection.  However, unlike the Dutch and Spain, Portugal did not have jurisdiction over Formosa (Taiwan).

 

The year of Portugal’s discovery of Taiwan was given in literature as in 1542 or 1544, which is 40 years before 1582 shown on the coin.  Jerome’s book gives an indefinite 1540s (The Mapping of Taiwan, p 18).  I have been using the year of 1544 in my OLLI class of Taiwan history (one less numeral, easy to remember 😄).  The Hanji were shown on the coin simply because the coin was issued in 1996, when Formosa has been replaced by 台灣.

 

Let’s wait to see what Gerrit has to say about the year 1582 relating to Ilha Formosa.

Taitzer  4/6

 

 

On Apr 6, 2018, at 7:48 PM, 'Ed Huang' via NATPA Forum <natpa...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 

Gerrit:

 

A friend, Alan Chen, sent me this information about a special coin.   Have you seen a coin like this (pictures attached) ?

 

It was issued by the Portuguese in 1996.  The coin, dated 1582, implies they have discovered Taiwan in 1582.

 

Just wonder, are you aware of this?

 

Ed Huang

 

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Begin forwarded message:

 

From: "Allen Kuo" <alle...@timebyte.com>

Subject: [BATA] 葡萄牙發行的200盾台灣銅幣

Date: April 8, 2018 at 10:54:49 AM EDT

To: "'bay-area-taiwanese-american'" <bay-area-taiw...@googlegroups.com>

 

這是葡萄牙在加入歐元區之前，於 1996 年發行的一枚200盾銅幣，特別以1582年葡萄牙人發現台灣作為主題。幣面鑄有Formosa 及漢字台灣 ，意在凸顯葡萄牙的歷史榮光。台灣也因此被帶進歐洲的錢幣歷史紀錄中。美麗之島的美名從1582年運行至今436 年，多麼詩情畫意，祝願台灣永遠生生不息，不再終日擾嚷不休。

不過此枚銅幣設計上最大的敗筆, 是上端的梅花圖形。 梅花是外來政權, 中華民國的國花。它在已有436年的台灣史上根本不具有任何代表性。

Allen Kuo

 

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[Ed Huang]

Hi,

By simply raising a question 2 days ago on the Portuguese coins, I learned a lot from the NATPA Forum.

Thank Gerrit, Taitzer and Sebo, etc, for contributing so much information on the coins, and give us a good lesson on Taiwanese history.

Ed Huang

Sent from my iPad

[Taitzer Wang]

Hi Ed,

Thank you for the opportunity.

Opportunity favors prepared mind — so, allow me to take this opportunity to promote to NATPA retirees and those who are interested a wonderful senior program (age > 50) called OLLI, Osher Lifelong Learning Institutes.  I started moderating a Taiwanese History course at OLLI at University of Cincinnati in 2011, when I knew little about Taiwanese history, and enjoyed every minute of it.  It’s good for us to communicate with the American public.  

Check it out: 

OLLI

Osher Lifelong Learning Institute  Since 2001

Philanthropist Bernard Osher Foundation

OLLI programs at:

          Over 120 universities / colleges

          In 49 states and the District of Columbia

Noncredit courses

No assignments or grades

For “seasoned” adults over age 50

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osher_Lifelong_Learning_Institutes

I use many slides in my class like this:

Taitzer  4/9