Re: Csdd
Bok Mull
I am currently a happy owner of the ClubSport v2.5 with the ClubSport Formula Black. and v3 Pedals. The steering wheel is not upgradeable to the QR2, so it is either put a QR1 on the new technology (not really a choice I think) or embrace the QR2 and get a new steering wheel as well. I get it sometimes things become outdated, if not obsolete.
I am planning on upgrading to the newly announced ClubSport DD and one of the Formula steering wheels. And this is where it gets confusing for me. The CSDD comes with the QR2 but the steering wheel I want to purchase you either chose the QR1 at no cost and have to revert the CSDD to QR1 or purchase the QR2 for $99.
In fact they do, however a QR2 is on the CSDD which would mean I would have to purchase a QR1 -Base to retrofit the CSDD. My point is they are mismatching items deliberately to make you purchase one or the other which seems odd to me.
for existing users will make a QR1 adapter for installation on csdd? that's an even stupider prank. offer old users an extra discount for buying 3, 4, 5 or more pieces if they need them. let's say one third of the price for one piece, reality. and they admitted that the product had a fault and they themselves said that they had learned from their mistakes over the years. yes to the mistakes that existing users have paid for.
csdd? nothing has been proven yet. only when people start driving on it and if it proves to be a reliable, solid, stable and non-perishable creation, only then could success be guaranteed. I think csdd has a future, but time will tell.
of-course they want make money, as that is about all company's in the world, without money there would be also no changes, without money you would not even could have enjoy atm this qr1 and instead have this weird looking holder, also without money you would not have right now the DD
other companies in the world do not drag users by the nose for 2 years, like those with QR2. and even if they wanted to go on the market with that product, then it is done wholesale. and not like some third-rate company from the basement that is just entering the market and has no money to market the product.
I would add that I am glad that Fanatec decided to adopt the technology used by Moza. their Slanted-pole Design is now implemented in csdd. it is good that they learn from each other's mistakes and implement what is good. however, I think that QR is still a better option with Moza and Simagic.
Slanted-pole Design used by moza is now used for the first time in R12 after R21. other bases do not have that. R5 and especially R9 were known to overheat and their sensors would reduce the voltage, thereby reducing the ffb while driving for a long time. would say that users who used more than 70% ffb had problems with it. since the last update, everyone has reported en masse that they no longer have a problem with it. so they had more of a software problem than a hardware problem.
that of course he mentions overheating, but that he had no problem driving the R12 for 2 hours. also knows nothing about that engine in the R12. with the fact that he recorded it before the new software arrived
because why I hope that csdd will also be freed from overheating and that it will really last for 2-3 hours and more and keep the same level of ffb and all the details as in the first minute. but all that needs time and testing by people who will prove it in the coming months.
I don't know why fanatec hides information about the encoder and how big the ppr is. or at least I can't find that information anywhere. let's say simagic alpha mini is 10nm, but considering the very good encoder that is built in with high ppr, that base creates one of the best ffb in the class.
it will certainly be interesting to follow in the coming months if there are comparative tests between asetek la prima, simagic alpha mini and fanatec csdd. I think that the middle class of dd wheels from those three companies will be top standard.
The Clubsport prices dropped by $50 to compensate for the QR1, but the CSL prices did not budge. Now instead of getting a CSL Hub combo, I'm just going to get a CS RS with a Metal QR2. Fanatec's evil plan has worked... apparently.
I wasn't aware of the price drop to compensate for the QR changeover prior to OP so I guess it is what it is, as they say. I think I will wait until the CSDD is being delivered to make sure it doesn't have any major issues.
I was hoping a representative could shed some light on how they plan to go forward now that a base is available (on order) that comes standard with a QR2 ,but browsing other threads I probably shouldn't hold my breath.
Lastly your comment about a thread going off the rails it reminds me of the old Tootsie Roll commercial with the wise owl who determined it took three licks to get to the center. If a thread lasts more than that before going moving on to something else is rare. :)
Good hearing from you too David. Yes, the series we raced in was a lot of fun, and a huge learning experience for me. I hardly raced online since though. Too many schedule conflicts on my end to really participate in most of the series I have come across on Discord and other sites.
With the prices lowered, adding the QR2 makes the subtotals too expensive in my opinion. The Podium Classic combo goes from a reasonable $280, to an eye popping $380. And now that I think about it... Its price went up! I remember this wheel combo being $250. Now it's $280? What gives?
Well, one good thing is with advancing technology and competition the price to consumers generally levels off. I do think from the very early things I read and videos of the Sim Show the ClubSport DD sounds like it could be a very good value for a direct drive.
I wonder if the Podium series may be the white elephant for Fanatec at some point. I have read posts that Podium owners are speculating the CSDD may be a better performing unit based on the telemetry provided so far. It will be interesting to see what Fanatec has up their sleeve in regards to putting those thoughts to rest.
The CSDD isn't even scheduled to begin shipping for about three weeks and perhaps for Black Friday a package will be put together with a QR2 wheel side for us budget minded veterans of sim racing that makes it irresistible. I'm with you and will be patient, meanwhile I listed my CSW v2.5 and Formula Black for sale to see if there is interest in what looks to be the last of the belt driven bases made. Perhaps it will be a collectors item? LOL
Just a quick question: I also have a Clubsport 2.5, and a F12020 Clubsport Limited Edition steering wheel (hardware is the formula 2.5). I'm very tempted to upgrade to the Clubsport DD, but I don't understand if:
Finally, I don't think the QR has any impact on capabilities of the base, rather just creates a more secure connection. From reading posts one of the problems with the QR1 was mating of the connectors without having issues with the pins slightly misaligned and causing damage to the pins as well as a gap that could cause issues as well.
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