l'huile de vaseline

[Barbara Currier]

I have received my HG from M. Boudet. She is quite beautiful. He recommends "l'huile de vaseline" to lubricate the bearings a couple of times a year. What is that when it's at home? Is it mineral oil?

Thanks,
Barbara

[Bruno Fournier]

Petroleum gel

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[Barbara Currier]

I strongly doubt it. Petroleum jelly isn't going to flow down the hole.

Barbara

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Geoff Turner <gylda...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Petroleum jelly?
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[Michel LEMEU]

In France, we say also "oil for sewing machine".

Oil to lubricate very thin mechanisms

Michel

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[Bruno Fournier]

Hi,

 

I am french living in Canada, vaseline is petroleum jelly, but it appears that a liquified version is for sewing machines.  I will be going back home to France this summer and look this up.

 

http://www.rascol.com/mercerie/machines-a-coudre/accessoire-machine-coudre/3134.php

 

Bruno

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[Arle Lommel]

The terms of oils are quite ambiguous, even in English. Generally what you are looking for is mineral oil, as Barbara correctly noted. What you need is an oil that will not have the more volatile fractions evaporate off, leaving a gummy residue that can end up making noise in the instrument or even causing the wheel to stick in the long run.

Mineral oil (also called paraffin oil in some English-speaking countries) fits the bill. What we call vaseline or petroleum jelly in the U.S. is not suitable (aside from the difficulty of application).

So if you use mineral oil you should be safe. This is what Balázs Nagy recommends for his instruments. (We had quite a time trying to figure out the equivalent in U.S. English, so I know whereof I speak on this one subject, at least, because of my considerable effort to figure it out.)

-Arle

[cwhill]

On 08/07/2011 14:01, Bruno Fournier wrote:
> 'huile de vaseline

http://www.vmditalia.it/prodotto.php?idx=285
Not quite what we Brits would term Vaseline but a much thinner version
(so mineral oil from petroleum base).

This asks the same question (sorry, it's in French)
http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=1124529

Colin Hill

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[Barbara Currier]

Thanks, all, sewing machine oil I've got.

Barbara

[cwhill]

Funnily enough, this problem with oils is also a frequent theme on the
Northumbrian Small Pipes lists.
One of the favourites for oiling the woodwork at the moment is liquid
paraffin. You can imagine the fun we had with that. (Liquid paraffin is
used as a laxative in the UK, by the way, not for lighting lamps).
Again, a mineral oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin
The reasoning was the same as it remains liquid, doesn't evaporate and
leaves no residue. I'm not suggesting it's use here, by the way :)

Colin Hill

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[Wolodymyr Smishkewych]

Well, the laxative part makes a lot of sense--mineral oil in the US can be used for the same thing (it was recommended to us by a pediatrician as an additive to juice for a constipated kid!)
cheers,
Vlad

[Barbara Currier]

We were advised to give some to a turtle once, same problem.

Think I'll go with the sewing machine oil for my HG.

B

[Arle Lommel]

Paraffin oil (U.K.) = mineral oil (U.S.). They are the same thing, just like boot = trunk and bonnet = hood. That may be what Colin was saying (I can't tell if he means they are the same thing or if paraffin oil is a *kind* of mineral oil).

These were some of the terms we had to deal with when translating Balázs' book in 2006.

In any event, mineral/paraffin oil is what you want. I know some people will also use a light machine oil, but even light machine oils have a non-volatile fraction that will condense over time.

-Arle

[Arle]

I just found that, to complicate things, paraffin oil is ambiguous in
UK English. It can equal (US) mineral oil (which is used as a laxative
and in food preparation) or (US) kerosene/lamp oil, which is also used
as the fuel for jets. What you want is the former, not the latter,
even though they share the same name in the U.K.

Don't you just love ambiguous language?

-Arle

[cwhill]

In the UK, the "liquid" part is most important. Paraffin (used on it's
own) is a liquid for using in lamps or heaters with a wick. Paraffin in
the UK, Kerosene in the US. The suffix "oil" isn't used in the UK at all
(or wasn't, at least) when referring to the stuff that burns.
If anyone asked for paraffin oil, nobody would know what they wanted
other than an oil for applying to wooden garden furniture as a
protection so, in this case, the addition of the word "oil" changes the
actual product.
Mineral oil is also a problem in the UK. I use mineral oil in my car
10/40 viscosity (as opposed to synthetic oil).
Mineral oil doesn't have a specific type here - just an oil that is
mineral based - so needs something added - as in "mineral engine oil".
The only answer is to ask what the purpose of the stuff is (ie a
laxative or to burn in a lamp).
It can be quite a serious problem. Paraffin (as in kerosene) wouldn't do
bearings much good and neither would paraffin wax (as used in candle
making) nor would vaseline petroleum jelly.
One really needs to Google the thing and look for articles from the
country of origin to see what it's used for and then translate to your
own country.
I'm reminded that a famous contraceptive in the UK has the same name as
clear sticky tape in Australia!
Research!

Colin Hill

On 09/07/2011 14:26, Arle wrote:
>
> I just found that, to complicate things, paraffin oil is ambiguous in
> UK English. It can equal (US) mineral oil (which is used as a laxative
> and in food preparation) or (US) kerosene/lamp oil, which is also used
> as the fuel for jets. What you want is the former, not the latter,
> even though they share the same name in the U.K.
>
> Don't you just love ambiguous language?
>
> -Arle
>
> On Jul 9, 9:17 am, Arle Lommel<fene...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Paraffin oil (U.K.) = mineral oil (U.S.). They are the same thing, just like boot = trunk and bonnet = hood. That may be what Colin was saying (I can't tell if he means they are the same thing or if paraffin oil is a *kind* of mineral oil).
>>

>> These were some of the terms we had to deal with when translating Bal�zs' book in 2006.

>>
>> In any event, mineral/paraffin oil is what you want. I know some people will also use a light machine oil, but even light machine oils have a non-volatile fraction that will condense over time.
>>
>> -Arle
>

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