Jörg Haider: Accident, Murder or Assassination???
StarDust
July 4, 2009
Investigative reporter offers murder theory over death of Jörg Haider
Jörg Haider feeds a brown bear in his home state of Carinthia. A new
book
questions whether he died accidentally
Roger Boyes in Berlin
When Jörg Haider died in a car crash last year, many Austrians
mourned
the
complex, fast-living populist. He may have been an admirer of
Hitler’s
employment policies, but he seemed to many rightwingers, frustrated
with the
Vienna Establishment, to hold the key to a new Austria.
Now pressure is growing to reopen the investigation into his death,
and at
least one investigative reporter is asking whether the 58-year-old
politician
was murdered.
“There are too many open questions,” said Gerhard Wisnewski, the
author of the
book Jörg Haider: Accident, Murder or Assassination? that has been
selling
quickly in Austria since it was launched last Tuesday. “After eight
months of
research I am convinced that it is highly probable that Haider was
the
victim
of a politically motivated assassination.”
Neither the Haider family nor his political associates go quite that
far, but
they have been appealing this week for a more thorough look at the
events of
the night of October 10 last year.
“This case has to be reopened with an independent prosecutor . . .
and
with
the involvement of international experts,” said Stefan Petzner, the
former
spokesman for Mr Haider and a leading figure in the right-wing BZOe
party, the
Alliance for the Future of Austria. He is threatening to mobilise a
referendum
on the issue unless the Justice Minister complies.
Mr Haider’s wife, Claudia, has also joined in the critical chorus,
questioning
the narrative provided by the police investigation team in the week
after the
crash. The police version, much of it leaked to the press before the
official
report, was that Mr Haider had visited various bars, including a
reputedly gay
hangout, on the night of Saturday October 10, in the town of
Klagenfurt. He
had drunk the equivalent of a bottle of vodka, according to blood
sampling,
and had driven at 142 kilometres per hour.
The car, a Phaeton limousine, had ricocheted from a fire hydrant into
a
noise-protection wall, against a tree and then bounced back on to the
road
about 100 metres farther along. Claudia has always denied rumours
that
her
mercurial husband, the father of her two daughters, was gay and
doubts
many of
the other details.
“The stretch of road was too short to have been able to accelerate to
140
kilometres per hour,” she told Bunte magazine. “And tell me please
how
a man
is supposed to have drunk so much alcohol in barely an hour.”
On the night of Mr Haider’s death, he was out and about, celebrating
the
launch of a new magazine in the town of Velden from about 22.00 to at
least
23.15, when he gave an interview to the radio station Antenne
Kaernten.
Mr Haider was the Governor of Carinthia and a few days earlier he had
brokered
a peace between two nationalist parties, his BZOe and the Freedom
party, which
could have signified a comeback for the far Right in Austria; he was
therefore
newsworthy and closely observed. No one saw him take more than a few
sips of
sparkling wine.
Mr Haider was fit, a skier and a fan of extreme sports, and preferred
to drink
spritzer — white wine mixed with sparkling mineral water. That,
according to
the barman at the Stadtkraemer in Klagenfurt, is what he drank there,
but
barely touched his glass. At no time did he disappear from view. The
autopsy
established that despite the very high concentration of alcohol in
his
blood,
there was almost no alcohol in his stomach.
Mr Haider then started the drive to his home, through mountain
passes,
to his
family estate in the so-called Bear Valley. The politician’s Phaeton,
a
2.5-tonne limousine, was Volkswagen’s top-of-the range vehicle.
Somehow the
powerful car was an almost complete write-off after the crash.
The two offside doors flew off and were found behind the wreck. Bits
of the
vehicle were found on a tree top. And according to Mr Wisnewski, who
infiltrated the police garage where the wreck is held, the car has
suspicious
holes, as if it had been deliberately crushed by something resembling
a digger
truck off road, and then hoisted back on to the thoroughfare.
Mr Wisnewski senses a plot, but the case for murder is not plausibly
presented.
The questions are, however, becoming an embarrassment for the
Austrian
authorities. They were closing ranks yesterday. “Everyone who
believes
they
are in possession of new facts is cordially invited to present them
to
us,”
said a spokesman for the Klagenfurt prosecutor’s office.
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The Powers That Be in the EU are terrified of a rise in Nationalism
in
Europe
since that would mean an end to their dreams of an EU superstate.
Anyone who
stands in their way will be got rid of one way or another, smear
tactics and
propaganda are preferred and obviously less risky.
BILL, bradford,
Of course, a full-scale inquiry into Haider's death would be most
welcome.But
one in the so-called suicide of Arthur Koestler-------and his
wife-------------is certainly more urgent,the more so as it is
horribly long
overdue.And Koestler was such a brave intellectual.
Sooriamoorthy, Port Louis , Mauritius
Well, then, I suppose he didn't have the usual tricks in that Phaeton
of his.
I always try to be prepared myself.
The real issue here is, a shadow world gov't that becomes more
arrogant with
each passing day. I s'pose I'll have to save the world again someday.
All in a
day's work for England!
James Bond, London, England
No blood on the driver's seat - but a perfectly round 4-6" hole in
the
roof
just where his head would have been........they clearly think we're
all fools.
I agree that this was an assassination, and that the notorious Mossad
is by
far the most likely culprit.
James, Crimora, Virginia, U.S.
There is no doubt that there are questions. The fact that the MSM put
the
"gay"meme out there but did not question the strange incident of his
death
shows that they are following orders. Typical of them.
chris simpson, narrogin, wa
Definitely murdered,, mossad probably.
A Phaeton is an 180 mph tank..
Rick, Newcastle, UK
This was a set up from the very beginning! When they came out with
him
being a
homosexual DIRECTLY and that he had a bottle of vodka in his blood
and
none in
his stomach! This raised questions TAINT HIM.But then look at the
mangled
wreck this was a VW Pheaton not a Ford Anglia 142kph is nothing!
tur...@shaw.ca
wrote:
>(...)
>Mr Wisnewski senses a plot, but the case for murder is not plausibly
>presented.
fluszralt homogyerek nem kapta meg a homoba'rba mit keresett,
mire beivott, oszt rosszul ment be a kanyarba
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/alcohol-was-the-cause-in-joerg-haider-s-accident-1556.html
Rootski
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6632971.ece
>
> Rick, Newcastle, UK
>
>
> This was a set up from the very beginning! When they came
> out with him being a homosexual DIRECTLY and that he had
> a bottle of vodka in his blood and none in his stomach!
> This raised questions TAINT HIM.But then look at the
> mangled wreck this was a VW Pheaton not a Ford Anglia
> 142kph is nothing!
Gondolom tobben voltak mar itt olyan alapotba es meghozza
tobszor is ami megengedi megerositeni azt hogy egy uveg
vodkat nem lehetetlen lehuzni. De az is biztos hogy aki ezt
vegrehajtja az meg ki se fogja tudni nyitni valaki mas
kocsijanak az ajtojat.
StarDust
Nem is tudtam ezek a gazdag Osztrakok enyire szeretik a Vodkat, hogy
uvegszamra isszak?
Ameg a tudatlan Ruszkiknak is nagy teljesitmeny!
Utoljara a fritzikne votam, inkabb tobbnyire soroztek!
JS
StarDust
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:26:15 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <g...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >(...)
> >Mr Wisnewski senses a plot, but the case for murder is not plausibly
> >presented.
>
> fluszralt homogyerek nem kapta meg a homoba'rba mit keresett,
> mire beivott, oszt rosszul ment be a kanyarba
>
Ja! A Moszad meg jo besegitett, minta Princes Diana soferjenek.
JS
tur...@shaw.ca
wrote:
>On Jul 4, 10:12�pm, Rootski <nom...@postreply-inst.ead> wrote:
mind 1 mit ivott bozmeg, 4x a limit felett volt,
vagy a moszat megvette a rendorseget is?
asszondod?
bibibibi
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6632971.ece
>
Mindenesetre nem vigyazott magara, fejebe szallt a siker.
Ez lehet into jel is nehany magyar "politikusnak".
Udv, b.i.
StarDust
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 23:18:03 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <g...@yahoo.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Azt mondom, az alcoholt be is lehet inyekciozni vagy mas modszeral
beadatni.
Senki se latta, hogy 1 uveg Vodkat megivott, plusz hol az uveg?
Autoban?
Kocsmaros szerint, egy pohar pezsgot szopogatot, de azt se igen itta.
Akkor honnan jott enyi alkohol a verebe?
Ez megim ollan talalmany, mint a Diana soferje, akiben szinten sok
alcohol volt, de senki nem latta vagy tudna bizonyitani, hogy itta
meg, hogy kerult a verebe?
JS
StarDust
Nem hiszem!
Ezek eleg fegyelmezett pacakok.
Szerintem Diana gyilkossaga megismetlodott. Mossad vagy az MI5
tokeletesitette ezt az autobaleset, alkohol modszeru merenyletet.
Diana eseteben is volt egy mistikus feher Unio auto amit kesobb
talaltak meg, egy fotografere volt, akit kesobb meghalva talaltak az
ut mellet a kocsijaban, el volt egve.
Nincs szemtanu!
JS
bibibibi
> On Jul 5, 1:04 am, bibibibi <bar...@yahoo.om> wrote:
>> StarDust wrote:
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6632971.ece
>> Mindenesetre nem vigyazott magara, fejebe szallt a siker.
>> Ez lehet into jel is nehany magyar "politikusnak".
>>
>> Udv, b.i.
>
> Nem hiszem!
> Ezek eleg fegyelmezett pacakok.
Minek hajtott egyedul?! Ereznie kellett volna, hogy vad�sznak r�.
Ha valaki n�ciszimpatiz�ns akkor ennyit tudnia kellene.
nev
news:cedb0131-e391-4d93...@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>
> Nem hiszem!
> Ezek eleg fegyelmezett pacakok.
> Szerintem Diana gyilkossaga megismetlodott. Mossad vagy az MI5
> tokeletesitette ezt az autobaleset, alkohol modszeru merenyletet.
Ha ugy van akkor kuldok egy rekesz koser palinkat a moszados kollegaknak,
szep munka.
> Diana eseteben is volt egy mistikus feher Unio auto amit kesobb
> talaltak meg, egy fotografere volt, akit kesobb meghalva talaltak az
> ut mellet a kocsijaban, el volt egve.
> Nincs szemtanu!
Jujj de mistikus. Diana meg utoljara adott egy hatalmas sztorit a Blikk
magazinnak.
Rootski
Jo kerdes az is. Hany hordo sor kell ahhoz hogy ugyanyannyi
legyen benne? Ebbe az iranyba kevesebb gyakorlati
hozzajarulast tudok nyujtani.
Rootski
Erdekes hogy mind a ket esetbe nem kell mas mind egy
tele-teljesgaz hack olyan kocsiba ami mar ugyis tele van
drotokkal. A jo pillanatba ez kenyszeriti a hajtot
mindefele bravuroskodasra mielott fekre gondolna (ha meg van).
Be is lehetne elore mondtatni
"On-Star, tiz masodperc mulva hivjuk a koporsokat".
Ezzel az a baj hogy halalos balesetet nehez garantalni
hacsak nincs 120 meteres szakadek pont elotte. A Diana is
elt meg egy idejig. Tul nagy siker, tul sok onbizalom, tul
sok hejehujazas, tobbet is mar elintezett.
bibibibi
Tul nagy siker, tul sok onbizalom, tul
> sok hejehujazas, tobbet is mar elintezett.
>
Ez Hajderre is igaz lehet.
tur...@shaw.ca
<nom...@postreply-inst.ead> wrote:
>StarDust wrote:
>> On Jul 4, 7:42 pm, tur...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:26:15 -0700 (PDT), StarDust <g...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (...)
>>>> Mr Wisnewski senses a plot, but the case for murder is not plausibly
>>>> presented.
>>> fluszralt homogyerek nem kapta meg a homoba'rba mit keresett,
>>> mire beivott, oszt rosszul ment be a kanyarba
>>>
>>> http://www.autoevolution.com/news/alcohol-was-the-cause-in-joerg-haid...
>>
>> Ja! A Moszad meg jo besegitett, minta Princes Diana soferjenek.
>
>Erdekes hogy mind a ket esetbe nem kell mas mind egy
>tele-teljesgaz hack olyan kocsiba ami mar ugyis tele van
>drotokkal. A jo pillanatba ez kenyszeriti a hajtot
>mindefele bravuroskodasra mielott fekre gondolna (ha meg van).
>
>Be is lehetne elore mondtatni
>
>"On-Star, tiz masodperc mulva hivjuk a koporsokat".
monyuk kar, hogy vw megvizsgalta az autot es nem tanalt semmi
problemat vagy beleturkalast vele
StarDust
>
> - Show quoted text -
Vagy nem akart talalni.
$1-2 millio csuszo penz is besegit!
JS
tur...@shaw.ca
wrote:
>$1-2 millio csuszo penz is besegit!
of course
teged is mar iou-ba fizetnek, vagy mmi?
stogies
Hogyne egy quasi politikus aki tul van a sikerein egy olyan orszagban
ami ha akarna se tudna artani izraelnek,b.i. ez tenyleg te vagy ?
Mar ennyire elmentel tolunk?
bibibibi
> Hogyne egy quasi politikus aki tul van a sikerein egy olyan orszagban
> ami ha akarna se tudna artani izraelnek,b.i. ez tenyleg te vagy ?
> Mar ennyire elmentel tolunk?
Nem mentem sehova. Nem csak "baloldali" embernek szallhat a fejebe a
siker. Sajnalom, hogy Hajder meghalt, de mielott meghalt, sztarolva
lett, es nem vigyazott. Aki vigyaz az nem autokazik egyedul. Nem tul jo
az osszehasonlitas, de nezd meg, hogy Orbant hany gorilla kiseri ma is.
Udv, b.i.
tur...@shaw.ca
>stogies wrote:
>
>> Hogyne egy quasi politikus aki tul van a sikerein egy olyan orszagban
>> ami ha akarna se tudna artani izraelnek,b.i. ez tenyleg te vagy ?
>> Mar ennyire elmentel tolunk?
>
>Nem mentem sehova. Nem csak "baloldali" embernek szallhat a fejebe a
>siker. Sajnalom, hogy Hajder meghalt, de mielott meghalt, sztarolva
>lett, es nem vigyazott.
ja, bele' utott a hajder menyko
>Aki vigyaz az nem autokazik egyedul. Nem tul jo
>az osszehasonlitas, de nezd meg, hogy Orbant hany gorilla kiseri ma is.
hajder nem vihette a gorillakat a homobarba, kivancsi vajon utodjanak
a cicafijunak lesznek e majd
amugy mit sajnalsz rajt?
Rootski
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:25:00 +0200, bibibibi <bar...@yahoo.om> wrote:
>
>> stogies wrote:
>>
>>> Hogyne egy quasi politikus aki tul van a sikerein egy olyan orszagban
>>> ami ha akarna se tudna artani izraelnek,b.i. ez tenyleg te vagy ?
>>> Mar ennyire elmentel tolunk?
>> Nem mentem sehova. Nem csak "baloldali" embernek szallhat a fejebe a
>> siker. Sajnalom, hogy Hajder meghalt, de mielott meghalt, sztarolva
>> lett, es nem vigyazott.
>
> ja, bele' utott a hajder menyko
>
>> Aki vigyaz az nem autokazik egyedul. Nem tul jo
>> az osszehasonlitas, de nezd meg, hogy Orbant hany gorilla kiseri ma is.
>
> hajder nem vihette a gorillakat a homobarba,
Me ne? Obama kenyszeritve van hogy a mamar 16 eve
elhatorozott buzitonaknak praktikus lehetoseget adjon a
szolgalatra. Nem lepne meg ha o is azt fogja csinalni mit a
gorokok, teljessen buzi eggyuletek letrehozasaval. Aztan
majd rohannak a talibantottak ket kezzel a faruk mogott.
Nem mindha nem volna eleg buzi Ausztriaba egy 5 kocsis
convoyt 'ossze-allitani' akik meg jobban vigyaznanak a
tatajukra mit akarki mas.
bibibibi
>>> Aki vigyaz az nem autokazik egyedul. Nem tul jo
>>> az osszehasonlitas, de nezd meg, hogy Orbant hany gorilla kiseri ma is.
>> hajder nem vihette a gorillakat a homobarba,
>
> Me ne?
Ha abbol indulunk ki, hogy Hajdert eltettek lab alol, akkor latnivalo,
hogy gondatlan volt, nemcsak maga szemelyesen, de a partja is.
Vagy pedig nem tettek el lab alol, es akkor meg azert volt hule mert
reszegen maga vezetett. De a haverjai is hulek voltak, hogy hagytak.
Persze vannak eroszakos es bekepzelt buzik is, akik senkire sem
hallgatnak, de meg verekedni is szeretnek.
Raadasul az sem 100%, hogy buzi volt. Valamiert csak a halala utan
derult ez ki egy olyan emberrol akit mindenaron meg akarat "allitani"
Europa. Ez is rohej. Azt is tudtak rola, hogy van e pattanas a feneken.
Udv, b.i.
tur...@shaw.ca
>Raadasul az sem 100%, hogy buzi volt.
csak 90, mert a nejit is gyugta
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/23/jorge
> Valamiert csak a halala utan
>derult ez ki egy olyan emberrol akit mindenaron meg akarat "allitani"
>Europa. Ez is rohej.
>Azt is tudtak rola, hogy van e pattanas a feneken.
"Gay rights groups and Austrian intellectuals rowed for years over
whether to out Haidar. One argument in favour was that it would damage
him politically. Against it was the fear that it would increase
homophobia in an already staunchly conservative country.
Answering his own question, Misik says: "Of course it has a bearing on
who Haider the public person was." And it goes some way to help
explain his magnetism. "He had a personal charm that clearly had a
particular effect on men in their early 20s, who he gathered around
him and hoisted into the highest offices at a very young age."
His homoerotic lure was clear. I remember his 50th birthday
celebrations up a mountain near Villach. It was a most typical Haider
affair. He was surrounded the entire day by an entourage of
well-dressed, perma-tanned male supporters who looked like Haider
clones. It is they who gave Haider's BZ�, and before that, his Freedom
party (FP�), the euphemistic nickname of the "buberl partei" - the
party of little boys. It is the undying loyalty of such figures, often
referred to as the "briefcase carriers", that helped Haider succeed
for so long."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/24/haider-austria
te vagy egy nagy rohej :-)>
tur...@shaw.ca
<nom...@postreply-inst.ead> wrote:
>Nem mindha nem volna eleg buzi Ausztriaba egy 5 kocsis
>convoyt 'ossze-allitani' akik meg jobban vigyaznanak a
>tatajukra mit akarki mas.
az bisztos van eleg, de egy 5 kocsis konvojba szinte mindannyian
befernek,y.i. ez a koma sokkal kisebb tata, mint a tietek, csak a
homo'knal volt nagy
a megyei osszlakossag szama bp. egynegyedenek felel meg, es azokbol is
uszke 10-15e. szloven, kikbol csak ennyi maratt meg a betolakodok
elleniben
tur...@shaw.ca
>akit mindenaron meg akarat "allitani"
>Europa. Ez is rohej.
valojaban nem
inkabb az eszak-balkan a rohej
az hogy milyeneket kuldenek europaba meg egyenesen sirni valo
ezek nem hiaba kulturnep, ezeknel meg a papistak is mutattyak, hogy
europaba tartoznak
"Catholic lay groups in the country have been more outspoken, sending
an open letter to European Union ambassadors denouncing the Freedom
Party but urging Austria�s European partners to wait on imposing
sanctions until they see what programs the new government will adopt.
...
We appeal to you in full awareness that the cause of the current
crisis lies in ourselves. We regard a cross-party effort to build a
new political culture, in which no social group need feel angst or
defamation, as absolutely essential. This is true not just of Austria,
but across Europe wherever there are problems with extreme-right
movements. These problems cannot be solved, however, by placing one
state in the docks and isolating it. It requires a common European
exertion.
Dear ambassadors � we plead with you to make your influence felt so
that a sophisticated image of Austria is not displaced by an overall
rejection. ... Geographically, Austria lies at the heart of Europe; we
ask you to work so that politically it is not placed on the margin."
(National Catholic Reporter, February 18, 2000)
tur...@shaw.ca
>Azt is tudtak rola, hogy van e pattanas a feneken.
neked meg a nyakodon egy jo nagy :-)>
MedvE
> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:20:31 +0200, bibibibi <bar...@yahoo.om> wrote:
> >Raadasul az sem 100%, hogy buzi volt.
>
> csak 90, mert a nejit is gyugta
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/23/jorge
>
> > Valamiert csak a halala utan
> >derult ez ki egy olyan emberrol akit mindenaron meg akarat "allitani"
> >Europa. Ez is rohej.
> >Azt is tudtak rola, hogy van e pattanas a feneken.
>
> "Gay rights groups and Austrian intellectuals rowed for years over
> whether to out Haidar. One argument in favour was that it would damage
> him politically. Against it was the fear that it would increase
> homophobia in an already staunchly conservative country.
>
> Answering his own question, Misik says: "Of course it has a bearing on
> who Haider the public person was." And it goes some way to help
> explain his magnetism. "He had a personal charm that clearly had a
> particular effect on men in their early 20s, who he gathered around
> him and hoisted into the highest offices at a very young age."
>
> His homoerotic lure was clear. I remember his 50th birthday
> celebrations up a mountain near Villach. It was a most typical Haider
> affair. He was surrounded the entire day by an entourage of
> well-dressed, perma-tanned male supporters who looked like Haider
> party (FPÖ), the euphemistic nickname of the "buberl partei" - the
> party of little boys. It is the undying loyalty of such figures, often
> referred to as the "briefcase carriers", that helped Haider succeed
> for so long."
Vagy ahogy a csaposfiu a buzibarbol mondta a temetesen:
"Nem volt egy nagy politikus, de csokolni azt nagyon tudott..."
/LaszloK
Rootski
Engem nem is nagyon erdekel hogy buzi volt vagy nem,
igyisugyis felelotlen kezeles reszeg embert hagyni egyedul
kocsit hajtani. Aztan hogy eltettek labalul vagy nem majd
kesobb derul ki, ha valaha is. Mit mondanak a haverjai,
rezeg volt vagy nem? Ok lattak utoljara.
Rootski
Epp nem regen neztem vegig egy dokumentarit arrol hogy ezt
hogy csilanjak. Erdekes. Asszem a SAS van mifele angolok
magyarazzak benne hogy kell a tatakra/mamakra vigyazni hogy
ne tudjon terrorista hozzajuk ferni utkozbe.