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                         Mumbai Carnage: The Police Story stands shattered 
                                                                                        
                                                                                            By Amaresh Misra
 
                       Today, 18th December 2008,  is a historic day. It marks the beginning of a process wherein my `theory' about the Mumbai attack might just turn out to be true. But there is no joy. There is just an emptiness, a sadness at Karkare's death and the killing of hundreds of innocents by the Hindutva-Mossad-CIA combine using factions in the ISI and International/Israeli mercenaries.  
                         
The Minorities Affairs Minister AR Antulay was once a firebrand leader. But he has been quiet for long--too long; today he spoke and questioned directly Karkare's killing in the Parliament. Antulay is a cabinet Minister; he is not known to speak out of line. Despite Abhishek Singhvi's remark distancing the Congress from what Antulay said, the latter, it seems, definitely has the sanction of the Congress High Command at some level. Anyone supposing something else is  deluding himself/herself.  
                   
Here is the text of the Times of India report:
 
                       
Maintaining that "there is more than what meets the eyes", Antulay said Karkare was investigating some cases in which "there are non-Muslims also", an apparent reference to the Malegaon blasts case in which sadhvi Pragya Thakur and a Lt-Colonel Shrikant Prasad Purohit were among the 11 persons to be arrested.
"Unfortunately his end came. It may be a separate inquiry how his (Karkare's) end came," he told reporters outside Parliament.
Antulay said "Karkare found that there are non-Muslims involved in the acts of terrorism during his investigations in some cases. Any person going to the roots of terror has always been the target, he said.
"Superficially speaking they (terrorists) had no reason to kill Karkare. Whether he (Karkare) was victim of terrorism or terrorism plus something. I do not know," he added.
When he came under attack in Lok Sabha on the issue, Antulay sought to wriggle out saying he had not talked about who killed Karkare but about "who sent him in the direction" of Cama hospital, outside which he was killed.
"Who had sent them to Cama hospital (a lane opposite which he and two other officers were killed by Pakistani terrorists on Nov 26). What were they told that made them leave for the same spot in the same vehicle.
"I repeat what I had said. I had not said who had killed them but only questioned who had sent them there (Cama Hospital) in that direction," he said in Lok Sabha where BJP and Shiv Sena members attacked him for his remarks.
Anant Geete of Shiv Sena accused him of "misleading" the house and sought Chidambaram's clarification.
Earlier in the day, describing Hemant Karkare as a very bold officer having great acumen and vision, Antulay asked "How come instead of going to Hotel Taj or Oberai or even the Nariman House, he went to such a place where there was nothing compared to what happened in the three places?"
"Why all the three (Hemant Karakre, Vijay Salaskar and Ashok Kamte) went together. It is beyond my comprehension," the minister said.
The minister's remarks came under immediate attack from BJP which asked the prime minister to clarify whether his remarks are an "individual misdemeanour or the collective wisdom of the Cabinet".
"The remarks are obnoxious and deserves a clarification from the prime minister," BJP spokesman Rajiv Pratap Rudy told reporters.
Reacting to Antulay's remarks, Congress spokesman Abhishek Manu Singhvi they should be treated his "personal views" and Congress party does not agree with them and does not support such a formulation.
To a question, he said there was no question of embarrassment to the party.
Samajwadi Party MP Amar Singh, who himself was in the centre of a controversy when he had raised doubts over the killing of a Delhi police official in an encounter recently, said a senior leader like Antulay should before issuing any statement uphold the cherished tradition of collective wisdom of the cabinet.
Not completely disapproving the remarks, Union minister Ram Vilas Paswan said Antulay must be having "more information" since he hails from Maharashtra.
The issue came up when the house was discussing two bills brought in by the government to tackle terror against the backdrop of Mumbai terror attacks.
Geete said the prime minister and several senior union ministers have gone on record to say that Karkare was killed by terrorists.
Not satisfied with Antulay's reply, Geete charged the union minister with "misleading" the house, which he "did not "expect".
 
            The basic evil/criminal intent of BJP-Shiv Sena politics along with their pathetic `soft' and `hard' supporters, stands exposed; the questions here are vital: a cabinet minister, not an Independent analyst, has questioned the Police theory about Karkare's death. Note what Antulay is saying: WHO sent them there (Cama Hospital); how come they were traveling together? 
           This is exactly what we have been asking---Antulay's statement means that that he is hinting at the role of some top functionary WHO SEND THEM THERE--(TO THEIR DEATHS)! Now put this in context with proceedings that have begun against AN Roy, the Mumbai DGP, Hasan Ghaffoor, the Mumbai Police Commissioner and the Maharashtra Home Secretary. 
            What do you get? That the entire Police story put forward by the likes of Rakesh Maria is suddenly under suspicion--so much for those savvy journalists like Rajdeep Sardesai and Barkha Dutt. Rajdeep in fact quoted Maria as his source and a reliable, honest officer--if he had to sell himself I am sure he could have found a better buyer. He should have learnt from Javed and Teesta.  
        This means that the entire police version might be wrong! Which means that there is a question mark over Kasab and Ismail killing Karkare, Salaskar and Kaamte. Which means that Kasab and Ismail might not have killed the three; which then raises the question: who killed them? Was it the Mumbai Police top brass? Or the Gujarat ATS under Narendra Modi? Or a combination of the two--again--WHO SENT THEM THERE?
                       This means that there is sufficient doubt over Kasab's version! Which means that Kasab's entire story of how he killed the three officers, plus the entire thing that he is a Jehadi etc, is  a plant, something which our Police excels in! Which means that the so-called CCTV grabs etc showing the footage of Kasab and Ismail were all fake! Aziz Burney of the Rashtriya Sahara Urdu and the Marathi Press has said this in so many words!
                         The Mumbai and the Indian Police has been known for keeping informers, ex-militants and Pakistani spies in illegal confinement or on their payroll. And then planting them in situations where either Police or  the corporate-politician-bureaucrat nexus or foreign powers or Hindutva forces have carried out attacks and bomb blasts. This happened on numerous occasions say, in 2006 when the RSS Headquarters in Nagpur were attacked allegedly by `terrorists', who then died in an encounter with the Nagpur Police. It later turned out, and this was proved by Jusice Kondse Patil's report on this issue and by Suresh Khairnar, a veteran socialist and human rights activist, that these `terrorists' were in fact people who had been killed by a non-Maharashtrian Special Crime Branch Police in a fake encounter and then brought and placed before the RSS Headquarters. The Nagpur chief of Police in fact went on record to say that his Police actually did not engage in any encounter!  
            Now comes a report that Kasab was actually kidnapped by RAW officials in Nepal in 2006. In fact a PIL has been filed in a Pakistani court and the Times of India carried a report on this in its 17th December Mumbai edition.   
          In my last piece I had mentioned the Red Fort case. Indians, including some leaders of so-called secular parties are so ill informed that they do not even remember there was a Red Fort attack! They only know of the Parliamentary attack, which was again a fake drama staged by the Delhi Police--the best part is that our wily parliamentarians know this! That is why they did not turn up to commemorate the `martyrdom' of Police personal who died defending the Parliament! 
 
Kasab is a fake; the real terrorists who came to Mumbai wreaked their mayhem and went back safely--some of them, as testified by eye-witness near Nariman House were definitely Israeli. The main aim of the entire operaiton was to eliminate Karkare and to create something so big that the Malegaon blast investigation pales in comparison. 
            But Karkare killers and Hindutva forces had the backing it seems of Manmohan Singh. Why else would Advani meet Singh before 26th November on the issue of `torture' of Praggya Singh? Has anyone heard of a leader of the opposition meeting the Prime Minister on such an issue? 
            Apparently a deal was struck between them; and remember Advani could not have met Singh like this, without American mediation.  
              Was Sonia in the knowhow? Probably not--the Sonia angle is very important--there are reports that probably she was unaware of what happened on 26th November and that depite throwing in her lot with the Manmohan Singh lobby on other issues, she saw that their plan included upstaging her!
                Karkare's killing is the result of the larger fight between Hindutva-pro-Israeli, pro-American lobby which is now deeply entrenched in India and whatever is left of Congress' old legacy in the establishment. Both these factions often unite, as they did against the Left on the nuclear deal issue. But the `old legacy' faction does not realize that pro-US, pro-Israel lobby is planning to overthrow it--and maybe sink Sonia and Rahul as well! 
                       
                  WHAT IS THE BIGGEST FAILURE OF THE CURRENT ESTABLISHMENT? NOT THAT THERE WERE SECURITY LAPSES AND INTELLIGENCE FAILURE--THE BIGGEST FAILURE IS THAT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO COOK UP A FALSE STORY ABOUT A TERRORIST ATTACK--THEY FAILED TO ESTABLISH A CONVINCING COVER-UP! EVERYONE WHO HAS SUPPORTED THE POLICE THEORY HAS TO ANSWER. THE VENGEANCE OF THE INDIAN PEOPLE WILL BE UPON YOU.
 
  AND NOW COMES THE STARTLING FACT--KARKARE WAS KILLED BY A 9 MM BULLET--WHICH COULD NOT HAVE COME FROM AK-47 OR 56! WHERE IS HIS POST-PARTUM REPORT?
           


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The post undoubtedly raises pertinent questions...Can someone elaborate on the post mortem  report..Is there some controversy regarding that? Further, can this narrative be alleged as finding holes in the police story, as if the CCTV findings are fake then will it not become clear in the Forensic Investigation, without which anyways the footage will remain not admissible in the court of law?

Perhaps, much more still needs to be known. And no doubt these questions (which are raised in the post) beg answers from the government. It's too early to say much but reading the post sends shivers down the spine!

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personally i think conspiracy theories are counter productive unless backed up by concrete evidence that is more compelling than the official version. if the 9mm bullets story is true it is very disturbing but i haven't seen any concrete proof of this yet.  i am in favour of further investigation before shouting out theories from the rooftop.

one consequence of these theories is that it may prevent genuine introspection amongst muslims and hindus. it is a fact, no matter who created them first, that both islamic and hindutva terror are a reality. we are victimized by both and we need to fight ideologically against both.

anand patwardhan

would like to share here the views of pervez hoodbhoy from pakistan:

 

The Mumbai Massacres And Pakistan's Nightmare To Come

An Interview With Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy

Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy is chairman of the physics

department at Quaid-e-Azam University in

Islamabad, a frequent commentator on nuclear and

security matters, and a member of the Permanent

Monitoring Panel on Terrorism of the World

Federation of Scientists. This interview was

conducted by Cristina Otten for FOCUS and may

be found on-line (in German) at:

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/tid-12856/pakistan-die-menschen-sindblind-

vor-hass_aid_355157.html

 

Tensions between Pakistan and India have been growing after

the Mumbai attacks. Are we close to a military escalation?

In spite of vociferous demands by the Indian public, Manmohan

Singh's government has withstood the pressure to conduct crossborder

strikes into Pakistan. Correspondingly, in spite of the bitter

criticism by Islamic parties, Pakistan's government has taken some

action against the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT), the jihadist organization

that is quite probably behind the attacks. For now, the tension has

eased somewhat but another attack could push India over the fence.

What makes the LeT so different from other militant groups? Is

Pakistan really moving against it?

LeT, one of the largest militant groups in Pakistan, was established

over 15 years ago. It had the full support of the Pakistani military and

Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) for over a decade because it focussed

upon fighting Indian rule in Muslim Kashmir. Today it is one of the

very few extremist groups left that does not attack the Pakistani army

and state; in contrast almost all others have turned into mortal

enemies. We now hear that a few members of LeT, who were named

by India, have been arrested. Time will tell whether this was a serious

move, or if this was a ruse to ease the enormous pressure against

Pakistan. If serious, then the Army and ISI will have earned the bitter

enmity of yet another former ally. They are afraid of a repeat of their

experience with Jaish-e-Muhammad, a formerly supported Islamic

militant group that now is responsible for extreme brutalities, including

torture and decapitations, of Pakistani soldiers captured in FATA. It's a

nightmarish situation for the Pakistan Army.

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How have Pakistanis reacted to the Mumbai massacre?

The initial reaction was of sympathy. I did not see any celebrations,

contrary to those I saw after 911. But then, as the Indian TV channels

started accusing Pakistan and demanding that it be bombed in

retaliation, the reaction turned to that of anger and then flat denial –

Pakistanis did not want to accept that this attack was done by

Pakistanis or had been launched from Pakistani soil. Subsequently one

saw amazing mental calisthenics. Popular TV anchors, and their

guests, invoked far-out conspiracy theories. Years ago, some of the

same anchors had confidently (but wrongly) claimed that Kathmandu-

Delhi Indian Airlines Flight 814 (IC814) had been hijacked by RAW to

malign Pakistan. They had also ridiculed the notion that Pakistan was

involved in the Kargil invasion. Now, pointing to the RSS hand in the

Samjhota Express bombing, they are alternately ascribing the Mumbai

attacks to radical Hindus, and to Jews and Americans. It is sad to see

intelligent persons losing their marbles.

Pakistan has always stressed that it will deliver the first

nuclear strike if it feels threatened by India? Do you see any

signs on the Pakistani sign to carry out its threat?

About a week before the Mumbai massacre, President Asif Ali Zardari

had given the assurance that Pakistan would not use nuclear weapons

first. India had announced a no first use policy almost ten years ago.

But Zardari is not taken seriously by the Pakistani generals who

actually control the Bomb, and the Indian NFU declaration is frankly of

no consequence. Cross-border raids by India could well ignite a

conventional war. If that happens, all bets are off and it could escalate

without warning into a nuclear conflict. For many years US defence

strategists, belonging to various think tanks and war colleges, have

been simulating conflicts between Pakistan and India. They say that a

conventional war will almost certainly lead to a nuclear conclusion.

Fear of nuclear weapons has made deterrence work. More accurately,

deterrence has worked only thus far. No guarantees can be given for

the future.

Why did the assassins choose India instead of committing

attacks against Western allies in Afghanistan?

LeT is based around Lahore, which is on the Pakistan-India border, in a

town called Muridke. This has a huge militant training and charity

complex. LeT's membership is mostly Punjabi, which makes it

linguistically and culturally quite unsuited for fighting in Afghanistan.

You could say that LeT is an India-specific, Kashmir-specific group.

Indeed, over the years it has had many military successes in Kashmir

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against Indian forces. But LeT, like other militant groups in Pakistan,

sees a nexus between Indians, Americans, and Israelis. Hence they

are all seen as enemies and fair game.

What did the Mumbai terrorists want?

No demands were made and all hostages were killed. So the purpose

of the attack was never formally declared. On the other hand, the

stated goals of LeT and similar organizations based in Pakistan leave

little doubt. The attack clearly sought to hurt India's economy and its

newly acquired reputation as an economic powerhouse, and to create

a climate of war between India and Pakistan. If Pakistan moves its

troops towards the eastern border the pressure on the Taliban in

FATA, which is close to the western border, would be lessened. Still

another reason would be to encourage pogroms against Muslims in

India. This would swell the ranks of the extremists, and also have the

added benefit of destabilizing both the Pakistani and Indian states.

Finally, the attack was a means of releasing hatred against non-

Muslims.

What differences and parallels do you see between the Mumbai

attacks and the attack in the in Marriott Hotel in Islamabad?

They were quite dissimilar in how they were executed. The Mumbai

attacks were extremely intricate, used GPS and voice-over-internet

protocols for communication purposes, involved extensive military

training, and probably required planning over a period of a year. The

goal was to kill foreigners, particularly Jews and Americans, although

Muslims were also collateral casualties. On the other hand, the Marriot

bombing in Islamabad was a relatively simple affair involving a single

dump-truck with a suicide bomber, and its victims were principally

Muslims. The basic purpose, however, was similar – to destabilize the

Pakistani state, take revenge on the US (2 of the 58 killed were US

marines), and raise the cost of war in Afghanistan and FATA.

In the West experts talk about a new dimension of terror in

India. Do you also see tight connections between Lashkar-e-

Taiba and al-Qaida?

One is naturally tempted to guess a nexus between LeT and Al-Qaida.

Of course, they do share similar goals. But in the world that extremists

inhabit, mere similarity is insufficient – it has to be much closer than

that and small ideological differences are amplified out of proportion.

As yet there is no proof of joint operations or cooperation. So

presently this is no more than a plausible hypothesis.

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What role does Kashmir play in the current conflict?

Since 1987, Kashmir has been in a state of upheaval. Fraudulent

elections conducted by India led to widespread resentment, followed

by a horrifically bloody crackdown by Indian security forces. Pakistan's

army saw opportunity in this, and waged a covert war in Kashmir

using jihadists to "bleed India with a thousand cuts". The United Jihad

Council, which oversees the activities of an estimated 22 Pakistanbased

organizations, acts outside of the domain of the Pakistani state

but it has had active support from the country's army and intelligence

agencies. The Kargil conflict in 1999 brought matters to a head when

General Musharraf initiated a war with the assistance of jihadist forces.

This inflicted severe damage on Indian forces but Pakistan was

ultimately forced to withdraw. Jihadists subsequently celebrated

General Musharraf as a hero, and vilified Nawaz Sharif for a cowardly

surrender.

In January 2002, General Musharraf had declared that no

groups on Pakistani territory would be permitted to launch

cross-border attacks. Was this promise fulfilled?

Subsequently there indeed was a decline in cross-border infiltrations,

and some lessening of the covert support given by Pakistani agencies.

But this was far from zero and they maintained a strong presence. On

a personal note: soon after the terrible October 8, 2005 earthquake, I

had gone to various areas of Azad Kashmir for relief work. There I

found the Lashkar-i-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Muhammad, Sipah-i-Sahaba,

and other banned jihadist organizations operating openly and freely

using military-style six-wheeled vehicles, as well as displaying their

weapons. Their relief efforts were far better organized than that of the

Pakistan army and, in fact, they were pulling injured soldiers out of the

rubble. When I mentioned this fact to General Musharraf a few months

later at a Kashmir peace conference, he was very angry at me for

discussing a tabooed subject.

On the one hand, we have radical extremists in Pakistan who

want to bring strict Islamic law into force and demonize the

West. On the other hand, however, the government presents

itself as a friend and ally of the United States. Could you please

describe this antagonism and explain where it originates from?

What does this tell us about the growth of extremism in

Pakistan?

Radical extremism is the illegitimate offspring of a union between the

United States under Ronald Reagan, and Pakistan under General Zia5

ul-Haq. Twenty five years ago, the two countries had joined up to

harness Islamic fighters for expelling the Soviets from Afghanistan.

The US was quite happy to see radical Islam spreading because it

served its goal at the time. Simultaneously, Pakistan saw a major

social transformation under General Zia. Prayers in government

departments were deemed compulsory, floggings were carried out

publicly, punishments were meted out to those who did not fast in

Ramadan, selection for university academic posts required that the

candidate demonstrate knowledge of Islamic teachings, and jihad was

declared essential for every Muslim. But today the government is in

open conflict with the radicals. It has to deal with a spontaneous

groundswell of Islamic zeal. The notion of an Islamic state – as yet in

some amorphous and diffuse form – is more popular today than ever

before as people look desperately for miracles to rescue a failing state.

Even though the government and military in Pakistan are allied

formally to the US, the people are strongly against the US.

What parts of the Pakistani society support al-Qaida and

Osama bin Laden?

Baluchistan and Sind are far less supportive than Punjab or the NWFP.

The amazing fact is that parts of Pakistan's upper class – which is very

Westernized but also very anti-Western – also support the Islamists. I

find it tragic that there is no uproar in the country when Taliban

suicide bombers target mosques, funerals, hospitals, girls schools, and

slaughter policemen and soldiers. People have become so anti-

American that it has blinded them to these atrocities. Even the

Pakistani left is thoroughly confused and mistakes the Taliban as antiimperialist

fighters.

And where do you stand on this matter? Do you see anything

that the Islamists have to offer?

The people of Pakistan need and deserve everything that people

everywhere else want. This means food, jobs, houses to live in, a

system of justice and governance, and protection of life and property.

Equally, people need freedom of worship and thought, education for

both males and females, and protection of their freedom as

summarized in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. These are

everybody's primary needs. After this – a distinct second – come

matters that deal with national sovereignty, foreign policy, various

global issues, etc. Frankly, I cannot see Pakistan's Islamists offering

anything positive. They are against population planning, educating

females, tolerating other sects or religions, etc. They neither know the

outside world, nor want to know it. All they know – and know well – is

how to make war. Fortunately, as their rout in the recent elections

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showed, most Pakistanis do not want to live under their narrow

doctrines and belief system.

President Asif Ali Zardari promised to hunt terrorists and to

destroy terror camps in Pakistan? But his affirmations seem to

be halfhearted. Can't he do more or doesn't he want do more?

It is not up to him to do more. The real power lies with the Pakistan

Army, which is still undecided as to who the real enemy is. The Army

has lost nearly two thousand soldiers in battles with extremists. But it

still cannot convince itself that they constitute an existentialist threat

to Pakistan. One can understand this reluctance. Over the years,

officers and soldiers were recruited into the Army on the basis that

they were defenders of Islam and would always fight India. Instead

they now have to fight forces that claim to be even better defenders of

Islam. Worse, they are no longer being called upon to fight India,

which is what they were trained for. So there is confusion and

demoralization, and practically zero public understanding or support.

Therefore, Pakistani soldiers are not fighting well at all in FATA. Many

have surrendered without a fight. This is the first time in my life that I

feel the Army should be supported, but only to the extent that it fights

the extremists without killing innocents. Unfortunately, the Army's

current tactic is to flatten villages suspected of harbouring terrorists.

The collateral damage is huge and completely unacceptable.

Pakistan has armed and financed the Taliban after the US

invasion of Afghanistan. The CIA pays Pakistan to arrest al-

Qaeda operatives, but Pakistan uses the money to fund the

Taliban resurgence in northwest Pakistan. Any changes under

the new president?

It will take time – and perhaps still more suffering – to kick an old

habit. Even though the Army is being literally slaughtered by the

Taliban, it continues to make a distinction between the "good" and

"bad" Taliban. The good ones are, by definition, those who attack only

US/Nato or Indian interests in Afghanistan, but do not attack the

Pakistan Army. The good ones are seen as essential for having a

friendly Afghanistan when, as will surely happen some day, the

Americans withdraw. Among the good Taliban are jihadist leaders such

as Jalaludin Haqqani. On the other hand, Baitullah Mehsud or Maulana

Fazlullah, are considered bad Taliban because they attack the Army

and the state. Interestingly, Army inspired propaganda paints the bad

Taliban as Indian agents – which is quite ridiculous. This false

differentiation is the real reason for the Army's ambivalence and

inability to deal effectively with the Taliban menace.

7

Pakistan is a nuclear state. Should we fear that one day the

Taliban or al-Qaida could get access to the nuclear arsenal?

I am more worried about extremists having access to nuclear

materials, particularly highly enriched uranium, rather than a

completed weapon. Because of secrecy requirements, it is very difficult

for outsiders to monitor the output of uranium enrichment or

plutonium reprocessing plants. Interestingly, we are seeing a shift

away from nuclear weapons in the West. The unusability of nuclear

weapons by national states is being recognized even by mainstream

politicians in the US and Europe because they no longer guarantee the

monopoly of power. This makes possible the ultimate de-legitimization

of nuclear weapons, and hence winding down of fissile material

production globally. This may be our best long-term hope of

countering the nuclear terrorist threat, whether by Al-Qaida or other

terrorist groups. Meanwhile, in the short term, great care must be

given to watching over suspicious nuclear activities.

What should India do and what is your forecast for the region?

India should not attack Pakistan. This would be counter-productive in

every possible way. Even if it wins a war, it will be a pyrrhic victory.

On the other hand, a small attack can be no more than a pin-prick.

This would do more harm than good because it will unite the army and

the jihadists who, at this juncture in history, are in serious

confrontation with each other. Worse, even a small attack could lead

to large response, and then escalate out of control. Nuclear armed

countries simply cannot afford skirmishes. I think India's demand for

action against jihadist groups is entirely legitimate, but this must be

done by Pakistan, which is susceptible to international pressure. To get

rid of militants and extremists – whether Muslim or Hindu – is in the

best interests of both Pakistan and India.

Will Pakistani extremists win or can the West still bring about a

rebound?

It's a grim situation but not irreversible. The invasion of Iraq, and US

imperial policies over the last decades, created a hatred for Americans

that ultimately translated into support for all who fight them. Most

Pakistanis do not approve of the Taliban's fundamental and primitivist

social agenda. But, by virtue of fighting the Americans, popular

sentiment is still with them. So, reducing anti-Americanism is the key.

One hopes that Barack Obama will be able to undo some of the harm

his country did to Pakistan. Let's see. But basically it is for Pakistanis –

not Indians or anybody else – to fight it out. We Pakistanis have to

realize that this is a war for our very existence as a civilized nation.

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Western support for Pakistan must be very judicious and not too overt.

Similarly, isolating Pakistan, or inflicting harsh punitive measures,

could easily backfire. The Taliban and allied extremists have a real

chance of winning in Pakistan. The state is already crumbling in places

and it could disintegrate quite rapidly, leaving the fanatics in charge.

One cannot think of a bigger disaster for Pakistan.

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