On Jun 10, 3:24 am, Ilya Shambat <ibsham...@gmail.com
> There are any number of people who conflate environmentalism with
> Marxism. It is time that this myth, like many others, be put to rest.
Environmentalism is fundamentally collectivist and necessarily command-
economy socialist. Marxist-communism in practice has been
collectivist, command-economy but materialist to the exclusion of
environmentalism, so it is impossible to say from where you got your
assertion that "any number of people" conflate Marxism with
environmentalism. Certainly anti-Marxist German national socialists
under Hitler were socialist and environmentalist, and Hitler himself
was even vegetarian, though whether or not he strictly had a meat-less
diet, it was important to Goebbel's propaganda that the animal-loving,
tea-totaling, non-smoking Hitler be a vegetarian in that some sort of
Wagnerian spiritualist revivalism would come from vegetarianism.
> For that matter, Hitler was a vegetarian; but that does
> not mean that every vegetarian is Hitler.
Be that as it may, whacked notions of man's connection with nature
come from your side of the political spectrum and not Rand's or a
typical Anglo/American conservative's -- perhaps in line with the
leftism of Rousseau and Thoreau.
> Instead, the stance of the environmentalist is the simply rational
It's about false collectivist assertions (and therefore irrational
propositions) about man's connection with nature and, far more often
than not, collective action through government command-economy to stop
individualist, man-orientated people from enjoying life as they wish
to enjoy life .
> It is about creating for future generations a livable world.
> It is about protecting from blind destruction the amazing beauty,
> variety and richness of nature - the beauty, variety and richness that
> one has not created and cannot recreate.
It is realistically about state-capitalist/crony-capitalist or rawly
fascist economic schemes, like yours [*], to create "green" solutions
at the profit for some at the expense of many.
> The people who militate against environmentalism have simply no
> business claiming to speak for economics or development.
They speak for the opportunity to live lives they wish for themselves
without mystical explanations as to why they should give over their
lives to fascist-socialists like you.
Moreover, the "red-green" political alliance, where green can equal
hard-green environmentalists or the islamic fascists, and red equals
Marxist and/or International socialist (e.g., George Soros [**] ), is
a means to an end: to destroy capitalist countries.
It is usually that "conflation" to which you refer: collectivists --
communists, anarchists, greens, jihadists -- with different agendas
coming together to destroy western democracies.
[**] for example