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poor tom
Mar 26, 2016, 4:38:49 AM3/26/16
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According to Prospero, pregnant Sycorax was abandoned on the island by sailors. It is thought by some scholars she escaped execution in "Argier" (?), on account pregnancy, but we are not given the reason why she faced execution "for one thing she did": what terrible thing had she done? All that said, given the fact that Sycorax, like Prospero, was such an immensly powerful sorcerer (he could raise the dead, and she was able to control the moon), how did the sailors manage to dump her on the island in the first place? The same question could also be applied in the case of Prospero.
Another question is: who was Caliban's dad?
Another question is: who was Caliban's dad?
Arthur Neuendorffer
Mar 26, 2016, 11:36:23 AM3/26/16
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poor tom wrote:
<<According to Prospero, pregnant Sycorax was abandoned on the island by sailors. It is thought by some scholars she escaped execution in "Argier", on account pregnancy, but we are not given the reason why she faced execution "for one thing she did": what terrible thing had she done? All that said, given the fact that Sycorax, like Prospero, was such an immensly powerful sorcerer (he could raise the dead, and she was able to control the moon), how did the sailors manage to dump her on the island in the first place? The same question could also be applied in the case of Prospero.
Another question is: who was Caliban's dad?>>
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The prince of Colchis?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe
<<Circe is a goddess of magic (or sometimes a nymph, witch, enchantress or sorceress). By most accounts, Circe was the daughter of Helios, the god of the sun, and Perse, an Oceanid. Her brothers were Aeetes, the keeper of the Golden Fleece, and Perses. Her sister was Pasiphaë, the wife of King Minos and mother of the Minotaur. Other accounts make her the daughter of Hecate, the goddess of witchcraft herself. Circe was renowned for her vast knowledge of potions and herbs. Through the use of magical potions and a wand or a staff, she transformed her enemies, or those who offended her, into animals. Some say she was exiled to the solitary island of Aeaea by her subjects and her father for ending the life of her husband, the prince of Colchis.
Aeaea was a mythological island said to be the home of the sorceress Circe. In Homer's Odyssey, Odysseus tells Alcinous that he stayed here for a year on his way home to Ithaca. In his epic Argonautica, [Apollonius of Rhodes] locates the island somewhere south of Aethalia (Elba), within view of the Tyrrhenian shore (western coast of Italy). Aeaea was later identified by classical Roman writers with Mount Circeo on Cape Circeo on the western coast of Italy—about 100 kilometers south of Rome—which may have looked like an island due to the marshes and sea surrounding its base but which is a small peninsula. Archeologists have identified one cave or grotto on the cape as "Grotta della Maga Circe", the cave of Circe. A second was found on the nearby Island of Ponza. It is believed that Circe had her summer home on Mount Circe and her winter home on Ponza, which may possibly be the island of Aeaea.>>
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corax_of_Syracuse
<<It is believed that Shakespeare derived the name Sycorax from Corax of Syracuse. Corax of Syracuse (Greek: Κόραξ) was one of the founders (along with Tisias) of ancient Greek rhetoric. Some scholars contend that both founders are merely legendary personages, others that Corax and Tisias were the same person, described in one fragment as "Tisias, the Crow" (corax is ancient Greek for "crow"). Corax is said to have lived in Sicily in the 5th century BCE, when Thrasybulus, tyrant of Syracuse, was overthrown and a democracy formed.
Corax originated some of the basic principles and laid the groundwork for the Greek scholars to follow- particularly Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. They took these properties and applied them to other rhetorical uses, particularly in government. However, Corax developed these methods specifically for the law court, not the assembly. He never intended for any of his teachings to be used for purposes aside from legal proceedings; his school was particularly meant for lawyers, not statesmen.
Under the despot, the land and property of many common citizens had been seized; these people flooded the courts in an attempt to recover their property. Corax devised an art of rhetoric to permit ordinary men to make their cases in the courts. His chief contribution was in helping structure judicial speeches into various parts: proem, narration, statement of arguments, refutation of opposing arguments, and summary. This structure is the basis for all later rhetorical theory. His pupil Tisias is said to have developed legal rhetoric further, and may have been the teacher of Isocrates. As in the case of Socrates, all we know of the work of Corax is from references made by later writers, such as Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero. He never wrote any of his teachings himself; they were all recorded and published by his pupil, Tisias.
Corax is probably best known for developing the “reverse-probability argument," also known as the Art of Corax. If a person is accused of a crime which he is not likely to have committed (for example, a small man physically attacking a large man, against whom he is almost certainly doomed to fail), his defense will be that it is unlikely that the crime occurred. His argument draws on the lack of means of the accused. However, if a person is accused of a crime which he is likely to have committed (in the case of a larger man attacking a smaller man), he can also use the defense that it is unlikely that he did it, for the very reason that it appears too probable. This man draws on the lack of prospect of getting away unsuspected. It works by anticipating the audience’s expectations, and then combatting that expectation with a countermove. This pattern of anticipating and then contradicting an audience’s expectation has continued to be a typical move in reverse probability arguments to this day.
Of course, another countermove of this same type can also be employed (it could be argued that the large man could have committed the crime precisely because he thought he would be too obvious a suspect), and then another, and then another. For this reason, the Corax has been labeled a “logical paradox.” This method of argumentation has also been called quasi-logical: “it maintains that self-referential logic that is typical of the human mind even if it is circular.”
The famous but apocryphal story of how Tisias tried to cheat his teacher is passed down in the introductions to various rhetorical treatises. According to this tale, Tisias convinced Corax to waive his customary teacher's fee until Tisias won his first lawsuit; however, Tisias conspicuously avoided going to court. Corax then sued Tisias for the fee, arguing that if Corax won the case, he would get his pay, but if Tisias won (his first lawsuit) he would then have to fulfill the terms of their original agreement.>>
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question
<<The Shakespeare authorship question is the argument that someone other than William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon wrote the works attributed to him. Supporters of alternative candidates argue William Shakespeare lacked the education, aristocratic sensibility, or familiarity with the royal court that they say is apparent in the works.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
<<According to Prospero, pregnant Sycorax was abandoned on the island by sailors. It is thought by some scholars she escaped execution in "Argier", on account pregnancy, but we are not given the reason why she faced execution "for one thing she did": what terrible thing had she done? All that said, given the fact that Sycorax, like Prospero, was such an immensly powerful sorcerer (he could raise the dead, and she was able to control the moon), how did the sailors manage to dump her on the island in the first place? The same question could also be applied in the case of Prospero.
Another question is: who was Caliban's dad?>>
The prince of Colchis?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe
<<Circe is a goddess of magic (or sometimes a nymph, witch, enchantress or sorceress). By most accounts, Circe was the daughter of Helios, the god of the sun, and Perse, an Oceanid. Her brothers were Aeetes, the keeper of the Golden Fleece, and Perses. Her sister was Pasiphaë, the wife of King Minos and mother of the Minotaur. Other accounts make her the daughter of Hecate, the goddess of witchcraft herself. Circe was renowned for her vast knowledge of potions and herbs. Through the use of magical potions and a wand or a staff, she transformed her enemies, or those who offended her, into animals. Some say she was exiled to the solitary island of Aeaea by her subjects and her father for ending the life of her husband, the prince of Colchis.
Aeaea was a mythological island said to be the home of the sorceress Circe. In Homer's Odyssey, Odysseus tells Alcinous that he stayed here for a year on his way home to Ithaca. In his epic Argonautica, [Apollonius of Rhodes] locates the island somewhere south of Aethalia (Elba), within view of the Tyrrhenian shore (western coast of Italy). Aeaea was later identified by classical Roman writers with Mount Circeo on Cape Circeo on the western coast of Italy—about 100 kilometers south of Rome—which may have looked like an island due to the marshes and sea surrounding its base but which is a small peninsula. Archeologists have identified one cave or grotto on the cape as "Grotta della Maga Circe", the cave of Circe. A second was found on the nearby Island of Ponza. It is believed that Circe had her summer home on Mount Circe and her winter home on Ponza, which may possibly be the island of Aeaea.>>
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corax_of_Syracuse
<<It is believed that Shakespeare derived the name Sycorax from Corax of Syracuse. Corax of Syracuse (Greek: Κόραξ) was one of the founders (along with Tisias) of ancient Greek rhetoric. Some scholars contend that both founders are merely legendary personages, others that Corax and Tisias were the same person, described in one fragment as "Tisias, the Crow" (corax is ancient Greek for "crow"). Corax is said to have lived in Sicily in the 5th century BCE, when Thrasybulus, tyrant of Syracuse, was overthrown and a democracy formed.
Corax originated some of the basic principles and laid the groundwork for the Greek scholars to follow- particularly Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. They took these properties and applied them to other rhetorical uses, particularly in government. However, Corax developed these methods specifically for the law court, not the assembly. He never intended for any of his teachings to be used for purposes aside from legal proceedings; his school was particularly meant for lawyers, not statesmen.
Under the despot, the land and property of many common citizens had been seized; these people flooded the courts in an attempt to recover their property. Corax devised an art of rhetoric to permit ordinary men to make their cases in the courts. His chief contribution was in helping structure judicial speeches into various parts: proem, narration, statement of arguments, refutation of opposing arguments, and summary. This structure is the basis for all later rhetorical theory. His pupil Tisias is said to have developed legal rhetoric further, and may have been the teacher of Isocrates. As in the case of Socrates, all we know of the work of Corax is from references made by later writers, such as Plato, Aristotle, and Cicero. He never wrote any of his teachings himself; they were all recorded and published by his pupil, Tisias.
Corax is probably best known for developing the “reverse-probability argument," also known as the Art of Corax. If a person is accused of a crime which he is not likely to have committed (for example, a small man physically attacking a large man, against whom he is almost certainly doomed to fail), his defense will be that it is unlikely that the crime occurred. His argument draws on the lack of means of the accused. However, if a person is accused of a crime which he is likely to have committed (in the case of a larger man attacking a smaller man), he can also use the defense that it is unlikely that he did it, for the very reason that it appears too probable. This man draws on the lack of prospect of getting away unsuspected. It works by anticipating the audience’s expectations, and then combatting that expectation with a countermove. This pattern of anticipating and then contradicting an audience’s expectation has continued to be a typical move in reverse probability arguments to this day.
Of course, another countermove of this same type can also be employed (it could be argued that the large man could have committed the crime precisely because he thought he would be too obvious a suspect), and then another, and then another. For this reason, the Corax has been labeled a “logical paradox.” This method of argumentation has also been called quasi-logical: “it maintains that self-referential logic that is typical of the human mind even if it is circular.”
The famous but apocryphal story of how Tisias tried to cheat his teacher is passed down in the introductions to various rhetorical treatises. According to this tale, Tisias convinced Corax to waive his customary teacher's fee until Tisias won his first lawsuit; however, Tisias conspicuously avoided going to court. Corax then sued Tisias for the fee, arguing that if Corax won the case, he would get his pay, but if Tisias won (his first lawsuit) he would then have to fulfill the terms of their original agreement.>>
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare_authorship_question
<<The Shakespeare authorship question is the argument that someone other than William Shakespeare of Stratford-upon-Avon wrote the works attributed to him. Supporters of alternative candidates argue William Shakespeare lacked the education, aristocratic sensibility, or familiarity with the royal court that they say is apparent in the works.>>
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Art Neuendorffer
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